From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Nov 16 12:48:03 1999 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, November 16 1999 Volume 01 : Number 611 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Mondo Wagoneer fsj: more concept stuff fsj: Fuel Lines Of Interest Re: fsj: 360 Exhaust help.... fsj: Re: USS Honcho Warp Drive hesitation Re: fsj: Hey John Re: fsj: Re: USS Honcho Warp Drive hesitation Re: fsj: Re: USS Honcho Warp Drive hesitation Re: fsj: Re: USS Honcho Warp Drive hesitation Re: fsj: Fuel Lines Of Interest fsj: 360 Exhaust help.... Re: fsj: USS GW Warp Drive Failior fsj: Re: USS GW Warp Drive Failior FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 09:56 EST From: dan-at-black.org Subject: fsj: Mondo Wagoneer http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b102799.htm Latest on the "Mondo Wagoneer". I'm almost positive this is the one they were talking about when they were planning a big 2wd SUV and were debating whether to make it Jeep or Dodge. They wanted to make it Jeep because they could get more money out of the name, but the words "2wd" and "Jeep" in the same sentence make the vast majority of us shudder... This is saying it will definitely be a Jeep called "Wagoneer", not a Dodge, but doesn't mentione whether it will be 2wd or 4wd. (It better be 4wd!!) It'll be over 78" tall -- note that Ford's Expedition is "only" 74.3" high, and the Excursion is 77.2" for 2wd and 80.2" for 4wd. Says it will be just under $50K, fully loaded, which means "every option imaginable". It even says, "(DC is even considering a built in barbecue)." I don't know if that's supposed to be a joke or not. ("DC", of course, is "DaimlerChrysler".) Other DC concept/2000 stuff can be found at http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz.htm but most of the other Jeep stuff is just adding plastic accessories to already-existing hardware. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A ski slope in Aspen. -- Kelly - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 10:12 EST From: dan-at-black.org Subject: fsj: more concept stuff A couple other links I hadn't looked at yet from that concepts page: http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b101899.htm This page sounds a bit dumb, and may remind us to look at the other pages with a wary eye. He seems to think the next Cherokee is in the picture, and that Jeep has disguised it for testing very well, and that it is smaller, taller, "cuter", looks nothing like the current Cherokees, and will look more like a Rav4. Well, the guy has his loyalty in the right place (stay "Jeep"; don't sell out to the Rav4 market), but he's somewhat clueless if he's basing his info off the photo on the page. Most of you will notice instantly that this is a normal picture of the current Grand Cherokee line. The "camouflage" is just the blotchiness of the picture; somebody most likely converted it to 8bit color somewhere along the way. And the body is obviously the same; somebody just squashed the picture horizontally somewhere. But there's no way they would change the dimensions that significantly and keep the body style exactly the same, down to the last detail, but proportioned so differently. So especially this page is fairly worthless IMO. Also: http://www.car-truck.com/chryed/buzz/b100899.htm More talk on the big SUV; this is apparently an earlier article. Both of those articles (the other one being the one in my previous email) obviously use standard pics of the current Grand Cherokee, but I don't think they were trying to imply anything else this time. The first article had better info on the new model (if it can be trusted), but the pics down farther on this page are cool -- possibly the next model. I _had_ seen these pics before; they may still be on Jeep's on concept vehicle pages somewhere. And if they do go to this body style, it will continue the trend of a meaner looking front (I kinda like it, but I think a happy medium between those concepts and the current line would be best) and a back that keeps looking more like a minivan (bad). C'mon, square off the back a bit more, give us a tailgate again, and give it some guts! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is no "off" switch on a tiger. - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:17:07 -0500 From: "B. COLUCCI" Subject: fsj: Fuel Lines Of Interest Greetings To The FSJ World! I've been having some interesting replies to my problem. One fellow suggested that the distributor cap might be bad; I just replaced that last year; but anything is possible. How would one test for a cracked cap? Maybe spay some water on it while it's running; or is that a dangerous idea? Here is the most interesting response I've received. It comes from JC Jones and may hold some merit. I wonder if one could test for these leaks prior to wholesale replacement of lines? This definitely falls in John's line of preventing FSJ fires. I was not sure if he had posted it to the list so I thought that I'd send it back around. JC Jones wrote: > This is kind of long, but I hope it helps. Check the condition of the fuel > lines (explaination follows). > > I was having a very similar problem on my 76 Wagoneer with a 401. I thought > I was crazy thinking that my 401 sounded like a VW! After a couple of > weeks of acting this way (ie: Starts up ok, runs very badly...sounding like > an out of tune VW Bug, then like a switch was flipped instantly started > running awesome), it started getting harder and harder to start, then I > finally had to use about half of a can of starter fluid to get it to start > and stay running. I started looking around and discovered that many of my > fuel lines were old, hard, and appeared to be cracking. I replaced all the > rubber fuel lines on the truck and miraculously the problem went away and > has not come back since. It now runs better (just by replacing the fuel > lines) than it has in the last 10 years! I think that what was happening > was after sitting for a while the cracks in the fuel line were allowing the > fuel to drain back towards the tank and when it was first started it would > run great for a couple of seconds on what was left in the carb bowl but then > it would starve for fuel (hence sounding like a poorly tuned 4 cyl) untill > the fuel pump could suck the fuel back up from the tank (which was difficult > because the cracks in the fuel line would allow the pump to suck more air > than fuel). > > JC Jones :) Until The Next Dimension, Admiral "Coluch." Starfleet Headquarters Ohio Post End Transmission........................................ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:21:42 -0500 From: Robert Barry Subject: Re: fsj: 360 Exhaust help.... >I just purchased some emission and exhaust parts from PM and was sent a >curious part and I'm unsure of it's purpose and where exactly it goes (cant >find anything in my chilton on it). Keep in mind I pieced to gether the 360 >and never actually saw it complete in stock form.. I have heddmans on >now.....It is in the shape of the flange that connects the y-pipe and stock >manifold. I'm assuming it bolts on between them on one side or the other. >It's about an inch thick. It has a spring loaded round trap door that can be >opened with a small lever. What the heck is this thing and it's purpose, >where and how does it go on?? Thanks for the help.... It's the heat-riser, which helps the engine to warm-up quicker by routing all passenger-side exhaust through the intake crossover. It usually isn't used with headers (one of the compromises). They usually crack, the spring breaks or the shaft binds; in short, somebody out there probably can use one (I have a new one on each of my trucks). But it doesn't sound like you need it. Can you return it? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:41:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: USS Honcho Warp Drive hesitation My J10 is having a hesitation... and doesn't have a lot of power... I played with the timing a bit, replaced the cap/rotor... My hunch is the carb isn't very good... The plugs are gapped around .058-.059 for the Jacobs Ultra Team Milemaster thingy... I set the timing to stock and it wouldn't run. :) Advanced it by ear a bit and it helped... maybe I should advance it some more??? The emissions look like this: (they only do the tailpipe test, engine held at 2500rpm, no more roller tests in WA state!) at 2520 rpm: HC(ppm) 0067 (limit: 0600) CO(%) 00.001 (limit: 03.00) C0+C02(%) 10.80 (limit >/=: 6.00) at idle:(645rpm): HC 0347 CO 0.01 co+ 09.76 Let me know what to do... timing? regap plugs to lower???? Swap carb? Vacuum seems fine... but the engine does not seem to idle smoothly... it jumps around a bit, like it has a miss or something... john ============================================================= The just shall live by Faith... Der Gerechte wird aus Glauben leben... Mas El Justo vivira Por Fe... Le Juste vivra par la foi... Habakkuk 2:4b, Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:11, Hebrews 10:38 ============================================================= john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/LivingByFaith/ http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE jesus, don't leave life without him... ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:46:13 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Hey John thanx... and you just can't trust microsoft in a pinch... :) watch out for bubbleboy... ie5/win98or2000/outlook... bad news... ditch IE5, use netscape... there may be other ways of protecting yourself... ttyl, john On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Doug & Denice Keaster wrote: >--> -----Original Task----- >-->> Subject: EMAIL JOHN ABOUT HIS ANNIVERSARY >-->> Priority: High >-->> >-->> Due date: Mon 11/15/1999 >-->> >-->> Status: In Progress >-->> % Complete: 0% >-->> >-->> Total work: 0 hours >-->> Actual work: 0 hours >-->> >-->> Requested by: Fsj >-->> >-->> Hey John,,,,,, I set my Outlook mail thingy to remind me to send >-->> you a congrats on the anniversary but it didn't for some >-->> reason...... SO>>>>> when I came across your e-mail it reminded >-->> me of the occasion. CONGRAGULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!! >-->> Oh and the seats look nice too :-) >-->> Doug >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA NOTE: Washington State has anti-spam laws: $500 per occurrence. (spam is unsolicitied commercial email.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:33:05 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: USS Honcho Warp Drive hesitation A: I always advance timing til ping occurs, then back it off til it's gone (a real nice thing about the 6 is that it has a knock sensor and self adjusts slightly). Since yours is a CA emissions, the cats are higher back pressure and pistons are lower compression ratio, and the distributor has advance restrictors in it (to cut down NOX production, which helps cause acid rain). Got a spare distributor? My Ford truck had the 12 degree overall restrictor in it, and I dismantled it, and filed the slots out so I had 17 degree mechanical, and 14 vacuum (5 degree originally!) for 31 overall. Mucho more bang for the buck! I had access to a dist machine back then, so setting springs was easy. John wrote: My J10 is having a hesitation... and doesn't have a lot of power... I played with the timing a bit, replaced the cap/rotor... My hunch is the carb isn't very good... The plugs are gapped around .058-.059 for the Jacobs Ultra Team Milemaster thingy... I set the timing to stock and it wouldn't run. :) Advanced it by ear a bit and it helped... maybe I should advance it some more??? The emissions look like this: (they only do the tailpipe test, engine held at 2500rpm, =A0 =A0 no more roller tests in WA state!) at 2520 rpm: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0HC(ppm) 0067 =A0 (limit: 0600) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0CO(%) =A0 00.001 (limit: 03.00) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0C0+C02(%) 10.80 (limit >/=3D: 6.00) at idle:(645rpm): =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0HC 0347 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0CO 0.01 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0co+ 09.76 Let me know what to do... timing? regap plugs to lower???? Swap carb? Vacuum seems fine... but the engine does not seem to idle smoothly... it jumps around a bit, like it has a miss or something... john - -------------------------------------- Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:35:28 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: USS Honcho Warp Drive hesitation Oh, yeah! Being a CA model, it'll have carb restrictors, timing chain retard, and a few other things done that I forget now. - -------------------------------------- Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:51:48 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: USS Honcho Warp Drive hesitation On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, James Blair wrote: >-->A: I always advance timing til ping occurs, then back it off til it's >-->gone (a real nice thing about the 6 is that it has a knock sensor and >-->self adjusts slightly). Since yours is a CA emissions, the cats are it's a federal emission setup... also has a high-flow cat, flowmaster w/dual tailpipes... full jacobs mileagemaster setup... I ain't pulling no distributer... :) john >-->higher back pressure and pistons are lower compression ratio, and the >-->distributor has advance restrictors in it (to cut down NOX production, >-->which helps cause acid rain). Got a spare distributor? My Ford truck had >-->the 12 degree overall restrictor in it, and I dismantled it, and filed >-->the slots out so I had 17 degree mechanical, and 14 vacuum (5 degree >-->originally!) for 31 overall. Mucho more bang for the buck! I had access >-->to a dist machine back then, so setting springs was easy. >--> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:05:00 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Fuel Lines Of Interest A: A fuel pump with leaky valves (clogged with crud or worn out) will do the same thing. Best advice I can give (that I take myself) is put a high quality filter in front of your fuel pump! The fuel pump, and/or carb you save will be grateful! I have a glass racing one on Elmo. Fuel lines tend to die because of exposure to the MTBE in fuel, so they should be replaced anyway (only the rubber lines BTW!) The ones at the tank, and up front, to ensure no Car-B-Que. The admiral wrote: Greetings To The FSJ World! I've been having some interesting replies to my problem. One fellow suggested that the distributor cap might be bad; I just replaced that last year; but anything is possible. How would one test for a cracked cap? Maybe spay some water on it while it's running; or is that a dangerous idea? Here is the most interesting response I've received. It comes from JC Jones and may hold some merit. I wonder if one could test for these leaks prior to wholesale replacement of lines? This definitely falls in John's line of preventing FSJ fires. I was not sure if he had posted it to the list so I thought that I'd send it back around. JC Jones wrote: This is kind of long, but I hope it helps. Check the condition of the fuel lines (explaination follows). I was having a very similar problem on my 76 Wagoneer with a 401. I thought I was crazy thinking that my 401 sounded like a VW! After a couple of weeks of acting this way (ie: Starts up ok, runs very badly...sounding like an out of tune VW Bug, then like a switch was flipped instantly started running awesome), it started getting harder and harder to start, then I finally had to use about half of a can of starter fluid to get it to start and stay running. I started looking around and discovered that many of my fuel lines were old, hard, and appeared to be cracking. I replaced all the rubber fuel lines on the truck and miraculously the problem went away and has not come back since. It now runs better (just by replacing the fuel lines) than it has in the last 10 years! I think that what was happening was after sitting for a while the cracks in the fuel line were allowing the fuel to drain back towards the tank and when it was first started it would run great for a couple of seconds on what was left in the carb bowl but then it would starve for fuel (hence sounding like a poorly tuned 4 cyl) untill the fuel pump could suck the fuel back up from the tank (which was difficult because the cracks in the fuel line would allow the pump to suck more air than fuel). JC Jones :) Until The Next Dimension, Admiral "Coluch." Starfleet Headquarters Ohio Post End Transmission........................................ - -------------------------------------- Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:13:05 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: 360 Exhaust help.... "Bednarik, Nathan" writes: >> I have heddmans on now.....It is in the shape of the flange that connects the y-pipe and stock manifold. I'm assuming it bolts on between them on one side or the other. It's about an inch thick. It has a spring loaded round trap door that can be opened with a small lever. What the he= ck is this thing and it's purpose, where and how does it go on?? << Nate, As a few have already pointed-out, that's an exhaust heat riser valve. You won't be able to utilize one with headers. But there is probab= ly someone on this list with a cracked one who'll be more than happy to take= it off your hands. The heat riser works by creating a restriction in the passenger side exhaust flow when the engine is cold. The valve's spring is bimetallic an= d it'll open the valve as the temp. of the exhaust increases. The restricti= on forces warm exhaust through the intake manifold's cross-over to the driver's side exhaust manifold which warms the intake manifold and carb. for better cold drivability. -- Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 16-Nov-1999 = ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:28:48 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: USS GW Warp Drive Failior A: Sounds to me like your choke is set too tight, and flooding the engine. The colder weather makes your choke stay on longer because the spring inside gets tighter as the temperature drops. Greetings To The FSJ World! The USS GW is having ignition problems. A few weeks back I was having problems with it stalling, then being difficult to restart. Plus I was having a problem that really bothered me. I would occasionally start the Jeep and it would act like the timing was screwed up. It literally sounded like a VW Beetle. It would have no power at all and very little pickup. I truly believe that the Jacob's ignition was the only thing keeping the rig running at all. So I took the first step and replaced the durraspark box. Presto problem solved! Well this morning I go out and start up the Jeep to clear the ice off of the windows, it was 28 over night; coldest yet this fall; so that Lady Susan could leave for work. It started fine and then slowly started doing its VW impression. Normally this problem would clear in the past after a minute; but this morning it hung on for almost five minutes. Then just as if somebody flipped a switch as badly as it had been running one moment it suddenly began to run as smooth as glass with plenty of power. I took no chances and sent Lady Susan to work in on of the REAL Chrysler products; 85 Plymouth K Car. Runs like a dream no matter what. The FSJ could take a lesson. So what do you think; did I get a bum replacement Durraspark unit from Autozone? I checked the Jacob's computer; but both of its idiot lights were on; not that they have much real diagnostic function, I've decided. I replaced the distributor pickup last year. So i doubt that it is that. How about that little silver capacitor like thing on the old coil. Jacob's does rely on it. Could it be bad? =A0 It looks original. Direct those e-mails back to me directly please sense I do not have time to wait for the next digest to generate. Thanks gang. Until The Next Dimension, Admiral "Coluch." Starfleet Headquarters Ohio Post End Transmission........................................ - -------------------------------------- Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:00:55 -0500 From: "Ray Drouillard" Subject: fsj: Re: USS GW Warp Drive Failior I believe that the capacitor (condenser) is simply an RFI suppressor. Try disconnecting it. To test it, hook it to an old-fashioned needle-type ohm meter. It should, after a couple of seconds, read greater than 1 meg ohm (1 million ohms). Reverse the leads, and the needle will jump towards the zero, then settle down. If it does all of that, it is OK. Other than that, I would look for corroded or loose connections. Ray Drouillard - ----- Original Message ----- From: B. COLUCCI To: JOHN MEISTER ; PHOENIX FSJ LIST Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 8:52 AM Subject: fsj: USS GW Warp Drive Failior > Greetings To The FSJ World! > > The USS GW is having ignition problems. A few weeks back I was having > problems with it stalling, then being difficult to restart. Plus I was > having a problem that really bothered me. I would occasionally start > the Jeep and it would act like the timing was screwed up. It literally > sounded like a VW Beetle. It would have no power at all and very little > pickup. I truly believe that the Jacob's ignition was the only thing > keeping the rig running at all. So I took the first step and replaced > the durraspark box. Presto problem solved! > > Well this morning I go out and start up the Jeep to clear the ice off of > the windows, it was 28 over night; coldest yet this fall; so that Lady > Susan could leave for work. It started fine and then slowly started > doing its VW impression. Normally this problem would clear in the past > after a minute; but this morning it hung on for almost five minutes. > Then just as if somebody flipped a switch as badly as it had been > running one moment it suddenly began to run as smooth as glass with > plenty of power. > > I took no chances and sent Lady Susan to work in on of the REAL Chrysler > products; 85 Plymouth K Car. Runs like a dream no matter what. The FSJ > could take a lesson. > > So what do you think; did I get a bum replacement Durraspark unit from > Autozone? I checked the Jacob's computer; but both of its idiot lights > were on; not that they have much real diagnostic function, I've > decided. I replaced the distributor pickup last year. So i doubt that > it is that. How about that little silver capacitor like thing on the > old coil. Jacob's does rely on it. Could it be bad? It looks > original. > > Direct those e-mails back to me directly please sense I do not have time > to wait for the next digest to generate. > > Thanks gang. > > > > > > Until The Next Dimension, > Admiral "Coluch." > Starfleet Headquarters > Ohio Post > End Transmission........................................ > > > > ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #611 *************************