From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 3 12:59:25 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, January 3 2000 Volume 01 : Number 673 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Level? fsj: Re: NP228 vs NP229 fsj: road report... fsj: Re: shift-on-the-fly Re: fsj: Re: shift-on-the-fly fsj: Welcome Mike Clark (and the Jerrari! :) fsj: free automotive catalogs fsj: shop manuals fsj: 83 Select Trac & Starter Switch Ideas fsj: Re: Level? fsj: Re: steep driveways... Re: fsj: Re: Level? Re: fsj: Re: shift-on-the-fly Re: fsj: Re: shift-on-the-fly Re: fsj: Re: steep driveways... Re: fsj: 83 Select Trac & Starter Switch Ideas fsj: Re: Jeep Parts? Re: fsj: Re: shift-on-the-fly FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 19:44:03 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Level? At 11:14 AM 1/2/00 -0800, James Blair wrote: >You could just borrow a roofer's protractor (I have one around >somewhere) put a board on the hill, and twist the protractor up til it >reads level on the 90 degree axis, read the measurement, and subtract it >from 90. (I would guess it's about a 35 degree slope) It would be interesting to see the change in elevation too... I have a topo map of the area, but the resolution isn't detailed enough to make out the property lines... there are a few lines running through about where my property is though... The top of my house (2 story with 12/12 pitch roof) is below the top of my property, as far as I can tell... the lot is 200 feet long by 100 feet wide, 20,000 sq ft or apx 1/2 acre. the house sits about 100 feet down the hill. So if it drops 30 feet in that 100 feet it would be pretty close to 30 to 35 degrees then wouldn't it? I do know that coming down that drive you can pick up a lot of speed quickly... That's how Old Blue managed to take out a section of the picket fence when it snowed that one time... got to get my neighbor to move his boat off the top of my property so I can go down the back side of the hill... expecting snow... it's COLD out there... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 20:14:09 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: NP228 vs NP229 At 07:45 PM 1/2/00 -0800, Thunderbird wrote: >Have you verified it is a 229? 228's came stock in the 86 model. >Brian Shouldn't matter... in my M.R. 244 factory shop manual it says this about each of them: Model 228: 3 position, dual range, full-time/part-time unit with integral low range and a neutral position. Dual sprockets with connecting drive chain and an INTERAXLE DIFFERENTIAL. 2.60:1 4H, 4L, Neutral (doesn't mention 2wd on either) 4H is fully differentiated 4L is undifferentiated holds 3.3 Liters (7 pints) ATF - dextron II Model 229: 3 position, dual range, full-time/part-time unit with integral low range and a neutral position. Dual sprockets with connecting drive chain and an interaxle differential - VISCOUS COUPLING UNIT. 2.60:1 4H, 4L, Neutral (doesn't mention 2wd on either) 4H is fully differentiated 4L is undifferentiated holds 3.82 Liters (6 pints) ATF - dextron II (also notice that 3.82 Liters is more than 3.3 liters... go figure... :) FWIW, the M.R. 244 is the Cherokee/Wagoneer manual for the xj models... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 20:36:14 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: road report... Finally did some driving in my 83 J10 Sport... love it. :) The next step in continuing it's civility program is engine compartment insulation/sound proofing. :) Looking forward to seeing what the economy will be like. Drove it over 50 miles and only used 1/4 tank! That's already encouraging if memory serves me correctly... Old Blue had a range of about 100 miles on a tank, right? Gotta fire up excel and look at the records. :) (and I think the tank on the J10 is smaller than a Wagoneer too!) it's really cold outside (and in my office right now... :) I'll get to check it out in snow in the morning most likely. I've decided to put Fritz on the low mileage insurance plan... Collector's car insurance... 3,000 miles a year, full coverage for $136 a year. :) Hey, anybody know of a better carb for my 258 than this Holley? It's a tempermental piece of cast... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:45:41 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: shift-on-the-fly In a message dated 1/2/2000 8:04:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: > Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 20:00:23 -0800 > From: john (snip) > I've never read any thing in the old 4x4's "owner's manuals" about shifting > on the fly... oh wait... I've got the owner's manual for the Gladiator, with > a Dana 20... hold the line a moment... :) ... ok... > > the requirements are: lock the hubs in... if you have automatic hubs, stop > the vehicle before engaging 4wd, OTHERWISE: a shift from 2wd to 4wd high > (and back) > may be performed at ANY VEHICLE SPEED. (pg 34 :) > > It also mentions that is recommended not to shift the transfer case while > the > vehicle is in a turn... Wow John. I wanna believe you but I'm chicken. Gear grinding seems more tragic than stripping a chain so I won't risk it. I have to admit, I've hardly used the 4 wheel drive on my Wag so I'm not intimately familiar with the Dana 20. I have shifted the NP205 in my pickup at 5-10 mph many times with no problems, but I don't have any confidence in the "any vehicle speed" concept. It actually shifted smoother with a little forward motion. Also, it seems like I've read many times that with a part-time t-case engaged, max speed should be about 35 mph. Anybody actually shifted a Dana 20 or any other gear drive unit at "any vehicle speed"? If this has been done, I'd like to hear about it. Sure would have been nice back in Maine if I could have shifted in and out of 4 hi as road conditions changed. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 21:05:38 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: shift-on-the-fly At 11:45 PM 1/2/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >Wow John. I wanna believe you but I'm chicken. Gear grinding seems more >tragic than stripping a chain so I won't risk it. I have to admit, I've >hardly used the 4 wheel drive on my Wag so I'm not intimately familiar with >the Dana 20. I have shifted the NP205 in my pickup at 5-10 mph many times >with no problems, but I don't have any confidence in the "any vehicle speed" >concept. It actually shifted smoother with a little forward motion. Also, >it seems like I've read many times that with a part-time t-case engaged, max >speed should be about 35 mph. Anybody actually shifted a Dana 20 or any >other gear drive unit at "any vehicle speed"? If this has been done, I'd >like to hear about it. Sure would have been nice back in Maine if I could >have shifted in and out of 4 hi as road conditions changed. >Ben Williams >'71 Wagoneer >'78 F-250 How's 55 mph in a 67 Jeep Wagoneer after plowing through a large snowplow pile on I-5? Smooth as glass... I've also engaged it at 45 to 65 mph in both my 67 Wagoneer and 65 J200... (dirt roads, snowy trails, freeways...) both were Dana 20's. You can trust me on this one... so long as those hubs are engaged it isn't a problem... if the hubs ain't engaged and you try it you're likely to hear some noise... but it's not likely anything would break... the differential and axles should be able to spin up pretty fast... :) of course if you have a weak u-joint on the front driveshaft, or a weak case... you'll find out in a hurry... :) I've also done it with my NP207, NP242, NP229 and whatever the GMC Jimmy had... (after I did something to prepare the hubs... oh, yeah... I think you engage 4wd for a short distance, then put it back in 2wd... so long as you don't back up you have the "hubs" engaged and you can shift on the fly cheby style... I love my jeeps... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 21:44:25 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Welcome Mike Clark (and the Jerrari! :) Welcoming Mike Clark to the FSJ list... (and testing to see if I actually got him subscribed. ;) Mike Clark is one of the the two people who adopted the Jerrari! :) see: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/TheJerrari/thejerrari.jpg He doesn't currently own a Wagoneer, but is planning on getting one. john At 01:55 AM 1/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >John, > >I gather from your Jeep page that you are the one that runs the FSJ >discussion page. I hope so, I need some help. >I tried to subscribe to the page by following all the directions given, and >Great Jeep pages. I am a Wagoneer owner wannabe. I figured this would be a >good place to start out. I am also one of the two people that have >"adopted" the Jerrari at the National Automobile Museum. Thanks in advance >if you can help me. >Mike Clark >fatmac99-at-mindspring.com - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 21:51:17 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: free automotive catalogs this is kind of a local offer... I've got a stack of various automotive catalogs to give away... or recycle. CV joints, engine components, exhaust parts, bearings, spark plugs, fuel injection parts, alternators/starters, plug wires, and so on... NGK, TRW, FRAM, GM... Even a REESE products... (hitches) I pick up these catalogs from suppliers and use 'em to figure out what parts I needed for swaps, repairs and so on... Don't need 'em any more... I'm also going to put up several of my shop manuals on ebay. I'll compile the list soon and post 'em before I put them up on ebay. On these parts catalogs, they are free, come and get 'em... postage would make them worthless... :) The recycling goes out on Wednesday night... stop on by before and they're yours... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 23:53:35 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: shop manuals I'm cleaning out my office... I'll be posting these to ebay in a few days, let me know if you're interested... there are also some circuit design type texts up there as well... (and an 8080/8085 assembly language programming manual... :) (btw, please don't reply all to this msg) john http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-shop-manuals.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-kz400-clymer.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-escort-lynx-haynes.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-chev-luv.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-chev-gmc-pu-haynes-67-87.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-helms-wiring-Tempo.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-a-cars-haynes.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-Rabbit-Scirocco-75-77-RobertBently.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-Rabbit-Diesel-77-80-RobertBently.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-88-Sunbird-factory-service-manual.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-olds-cutlass-70-82-chiltons.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-olds-cutlass-70-83-clymer.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-regal-lumina-88-90-haynes.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-taurus-chiltons.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-vw-62-72-sqbk.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-vw-BEETLE-61-79-clymer.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-vw-beetle-kghia-bus-fastback-49-71-chiltons.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-vw-frontwheeldrive-74-83-chiltons.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-vw-rabbit-diesel-haynes.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-ford-pu-bronco-73-79-haynes.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/bk-yanmar-backhoe.jpg http://wagoneers.com/4sale/tech-books/ ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 09:28:02 -0500 From: "B. COLUCCI" Subject: fsj: 83 Select Trac & Starter Switch Ideas Greetings To The FSJ World! OK on the 83 Selec Trac I know that you have to stop to put it in 4 wheel drive from when I used to work on the Late FSJ of Dr. Sam Wallace. The 2 to 4 wheel drive switch has a small ball under the standard looking switch. This ball has to be pulled down to move the switch into 4 wheel drive. So it takes one hand to pull down the ball and the other to flip the switch. You would have to stop to take both hands off of the steering wheel. We actually did a team effort trial while going down the road Dr. Sam drove and I did the switch gymnastics. It really clunked into 4 wheel drive. It was kind of violent. Then it was worse going back to 2 wheel drive while at road speed. A lot of Grinding and hissing noises. We decided that this would be a bad idea to attempt switching this unit when moving in the future. As for the starter switch that goes into accessory when the key switch is in the lock position. There is a rod that goes down the steering column from the key switch to the actual electrical slide switch that is mounted on the column under the dash. The rod moves the switch actuator between the various position contacts. Now there is a slide adjustment on the switch at the base of the column. I suspect that this has loosened and the electric switch is not staying in place. Check your shop manual for the proper tightening of the switch assembly. Until The Next Dimension, Admiral "Coluch." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:46:52 EST From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Level? In a message dated 02-Jan-1900, john wrote: > The only thing snohomish county worries about is setbacks... and their > stupid requirements for drainfields... and for some stupid reason they > love expensive pump up systems or mound systems... it's like they > don't trust gravity or something. :) Well, you know, gravity is just a theory... ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ on the level in Las Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:03:03 EST From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: steep driveways... In a message dated 01-Jan-1800, john wrote: > fwiw, the fireworks at the needle was a letdown... Maybe there was a shortage of Pyrodex in the PNW, with everybody stocking up for Y2K... ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ Y2K Complacent in Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:04:37 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Level? On Mon, 3 Jan 2000 OrigamiTB-at-aol.com wrote: >-->In a message dated 02-Jan-1900, john wrote: >--> >-->> The only thing snohomish county worries about is setbacks... and their >-->> stupid requirements for drainfields... and for some stupid reason they >-->> love expensive pump up systems or mound systems... it's like they >-->> don't trust gravity or something. :) >-->Well, you know, gravity is just a theory... this is true... I guess they are looking out for us. Isn't it nice when our government takes care of us? I mean it's so thoughtful of them to gate all those forest service roads so we don't go out there an get our trucks dirty, or get lost, or anything like that... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 13:41:01 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: shift-on-the-fly In a message dated 1/2/2000 9:08:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > How's 55 mph in a 67 Jeep Wagoneer after plowing through a large snowplow > pile > on I-5? Smooth as glass... I've also engaged it at 45 to 65 mph in both > my 67 Wagoneer and 65 J200... (dirt roads, snowy trails, freeways...) both > were > Dana 20's. > > You can trust me on this one... so long as those hubs are engaged it isn't > a problem... > if the hubs ain't engaged and you try it you're likely to hear some > noise... but it's > not likely anything would break... the differential and axles should be > able to spin > up pretty fast... :) of course if you have a weak u-joint on the front > driveshaft, > or a weak case... you'll find out in a hurry... :) Wow. I never would have imagined this were possible. I think I'll sneak up on "any vehicle speed" though. I'm still kinda chicken. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:39:07 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: shift-on-the-fly On Mon, 3 Jan 2000 Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >-->Wow. I never would have imagined this were possible. I think I'll sneak up >-->on "any vehicle speed" though. I'm still kinda chicken. >-->Ben Hey, it's a Jeep man! :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:43:17 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: steep driveways... A: I think it boils down to using too much B4 and not enough Forcite! In a message dated 01-Jan-1800, john wrote: fwiw, the fireworks at the needle was a letdown... Maybe there was a shortage of Pyrodex in the PNW, with everybody stocking up for Y2K... ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ Y2K Complacent in Vegas Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:54:45 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: 83 Select Trac & Starter Switch Ideas A: '82 to '85 FSJs with the dash switch with the ball on it are the vacuum shift front axle type. If you engage the front axle fulltime, and remove the extra hoses from the system, THEN you can shift it on the fly! (you can also remove the pin and spring. I have a switch here that I can take a picture of the mechanism from the back) The dana 44 front axle disconnect in the FSJ has no synchro, unlike the XJ units, which are dana 30 reverse cut. B.=A0COLUCCI wrote: Greetings To The FSJ World! OK on the 83 Selec Trac I know that you have to stop to put it in 4 wheel drive from when I used to work on the Late FSJ of Dr. Sam Wallace. The 2 to 4 wheel drive switch has a small ball under the standard looking switch. This ball has to be pulled down to move the switch into 4 wheel drive. So it takes one hand to pull down the ball and the other to flip the switch. You would have to stop to take both hands off of the steering wheel. We actually did a team effort trial while going down the road Dr. Sam drove and I did the switch gymnastics. It really clunked into 4 wheel drive. It was kind of violent. Then it was worse going back to 2 wheel drive while at road speed. A lot of Grinding and hissing noises. We decided that this would be a bad idea to attempt switching this unit when moving in the future. As for the starter switch that goes into accessory when the key switch is in the lock position. =A0 There is a rod that goes down the steering column from the key switch to the actual electrical slide switch that is mounted on the column under the dash. The rod moves the switch actuator between the various position contacts. Now there is a slide adjustment on the switch at the base of the column. I suspect that this has loosened and the electric switch is not staying in place. Check your shop manual for the proper tightening of the switch assembly. Until The Next Dimension, Admiral "Coluch." Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: Jeep Parts? A: A friend of mine from the AMC list is looking for a taillight for his brother-in-laws Commando. If you can help, drop him a line! =A0=A0 Message From: ralphaus-at-teleport.com (Ralph=A0Ausmann) My brother in law in SD has a 1972 Jeep Commando Station Wagon. This apparently is a full size SW 2dr model He said has removable top?? Original was 304v8 and T400 auto trans. He replaced the blown up 304 with a 360. He told me he was having trouble finding tail light lens for left rear. He said is approx 4"x6" rectangle shape. Do you know where might be best places to look for something like that? This is something he picked up and rebuilt/rejuvenuted. He is retired mechanic /truck driver. (good mechanic) Ralph Ausmann =A0 - Tigard, OR - ralphaus-at-teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~ralphaus/fcs/fcsystem.html ------------ http://www.teleport.com/~ralphaus/temp/Jan2000NL.htm (*Car Club News*) have another look at the newsletter above. I candied it up some... Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:23:45 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: shift-on-the-fly A: With my front hubs unlocked, I used 4 low, then pop to high for heavy trailer takeoffs on hills (gives me 2 low) I haven't tried shifting into 4 hi over 20mph yet (made lots of noise at 20!) That's with a NP208. I hope to reassemble Elmo enough today (after jobhunting) to be able to drive it around for work, while I fix up the other frame to go in. Anyone local got a 2" bodylift kit for reasonable? =A0From: john (snip) =A0=A0=A0=A0I've never read any thing in the old 4x4's "owner's manuals" about shifting on the fly... oh wait... I've got the owner's manual for the Gladiator, with a Dana 20... hold the line a moment... :) ... ok... =A0=A0=A0=A0the requirements are: lock the hubs in... if you have automatic hubs, stop the vehicle before engaging 4wd, OTHERWISE: a shift from 2wd to 4wd high (and back) =A0=A0=A0=A0may be performed at ANY VEHICLE SPEED. (pg 34 :) =A0=A0It also mentions that is recommended not to shift the transfer case while the =A0=A0=A0=A0vehicle is in a turn... Wow John. I wanna believe you but I'm chicken. Gear grinding seems more tragic than stripping a chain so I won't risk it. I have to admit, I've hardly used the 4 wheel drive on my Wag so I'm not intimately familiar with the Dana 20. I have shifted the NP205 in my pickup at 5-10 mph many times with no problems, but I don't have any confidence in the "any vehicle speed" concept. It actually shifted smoother with a little forward motion. Also, it seems like I've read many times that with a part-time t-case engaged, max speed should be about 35 mph. Anybody actually shifted a Dana 20 or any other gear drive unit at "any vehicle speed"? If this has been done, I'd like to hear about it. Sure would have been nice back in Maine if I could have shifted in and out of 4 hi as road conditions changed. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 Jim Blair, Seattle WA 1983 Cherokee model 18 4.2L/999 AT, My Homepage: http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html My Photo Album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #673 *************************