From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Jan 31 11:14:47 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, January 31 2000 Volume 01 : Number 705 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Pump Me Up fsj: tranny woes Re: fsj: tranny woes Re: fsj: tranny woes fsj: Murphy visits Snohomish Re: fsj: Murphy visits Snohomish fsj: Re: 87 fsj Re: fsj: Murphy visits Snohomish Re: fsj: Murphy visits Snohomish Re: fsj: tranny woes fsj: weather... fsj: 1981 wagoneer Re: fsj: 1981 wagoneer Re: fsj: 1981 wagoneer Re: fsj: Catalytic Converter Clogged?!?! FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:09:34 From: Saltsgavers Subject: fsj: Re: Pump Me Up There are a ka-zillion antique cars on the road with electric pumps in line with the mechanical pumps. If you examine the way mechical pumps are designed, using an electric causes no undo risks to them (discounting any caveman modifications). Antique cars have marginal stock fuel pumps when dealing with today's quality of gas. Using an electric near the tank is what saves many of us (I use them on my studebakers & kaiser) from those embarrasing vapor locks when leaving the gas station parking lots in summer weather. The fuel pumps used on our AMC engines are of the small diameter diaphram used by the "old cars" (as a comparison, check out the O.D. of a chevy small block pump compared to an AMC). The good part is they were designed in the 60's & have better rocker arm ratio's than the older cars, which helps to keep the pressure up, but as a few of you probably know, doesn't always keep you out of trouble (geographical location, weather conditions, & condition of your fuel system are the key factors). Here in southern Illinois, I've never had an issue with vapor lock in an AMC powered vehicle. Electric pumps can push fuel much better than they can pull. Putting it near the tank helps this function as well as getting the noise further from the passengers. Using those rubber insulator kits help to dampen the noise a little. Mike S. At 05:35 PM 1/30/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 1/30/2000 7:41:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, >cscappaticci-at-uswest.net writes: > >> Anyone have experience with the Carter or Holley electric fuel pumps? I'm > >I removed a couple of ancient, bulky, Carter electric pumps from my Wag when >I first got it. They worked okay but were loud and leaked a little. The >noise at least let me know they were actually running. I don't know how new >ones would be. I'm currently using a Carter high volume mechanical pump that >I'm very happy with. It was around $45 from Summit. I have a small >Purolator electric pump in-line back by the aux. tank that cost about $15 at >the local discount auto parts store. > >> looking for something under $100.00 so I can bypass my mechanical (solve >the >> dreaded vapor lock problem). I already have a fuel pressure regulator in >> the system (my Edelbrock 1405 demanded it). > >I live in the desert and have found the Carter mechanical pump does fine with >regard to vapor lock. After a year and a half of fooling around with >different combinations of pumps, I've concluded that electric pumps >needlessly complicate things and don't solve vapor lock problems very >elegantly. My electric pump is coming out (for the last time) this spring >when I run all new fuel lines from the tanks to the tank selector switch. I >made sure the line from the mechanical pump to the carb was spaced well away >from heat sources and that seems to have taken care of the problem. Also, I >have no insulation under my hood. I think it helps keep the engine bay cool >in extreme heat. I know others say a lack of insulation ruins the paint, but >I haven't had that problem. I do notice the wax on the hood doesn't last as >long though....................... > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:24:55 From: Saltsgavers Subject: fsj: tranny woes Now that the weather has finally come to justify my ownership of a 4x4, the truck has layed down on me. On the last mile of a 100 mile round trip yesterday, I had just left a stop light & the tranny flared instead of shifting into 2nd. (for those who dont remember, it's an '83 J-10). I coasted into a parking lot to check for a ruptured cooler line or any other obvious mechanical sign. Found nothing, so decided to limp it the rest of the way home. When I left the parking lot, it went into gear well, but now will not up shift. It does go into reverse ok. To complicate the symptoms, at least twice this week, the truck acted funny when leaving a traffic light. It acted like it was in a bind (as if the brakes were being applied just as you gave it some gas. What opinions are there? Broken band? Stuck valve? I would think that if it was the sprage clutch, it wouldn't want to back up. Good thing I've still got the wagonaire. The worst part of it all is we've still not closed on our new property which has a nice big garage where I could work on the truck inside! I'll probably let it set untill then. But it will be a hassle when it comes time to move. MIke S. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:22:27 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: tranny woes A: Sounds to me like the second gear band has broken, cracking the valve body in the process. If it had a problem with moving in reverse, it would be the low reverse clutch seal blown. Does it still feel like it's binding on takeoff? Try manual shifting to low instead of drive. The other thing it could be is a sticking upshift servo in the trannt tailstock, or a plugged valve body. I keep a spare around in case I have one like that, that I just swap in for emergency. Mike wrote: Now that the weather has finally come to justify my ownership of a 4x4, the truck has layed down on me. On the last mile of a 100 mile round trip yesterday, I had just left a stop light & the tranny flared instead of shifting into 2nd. (for those who dont remember, it's an '83 J-10). I coasted into a parking lot to check for a ruptured cooler line or any other obvious mechanical sign. Found nothing, so decided to limp it the rest of the way home. When I left the parking lot, it went into gear well, but now will not up shift. It does go into reverse ok. To complicate the symptoms, at least twice this week, the truck acted funny when leaving a traffic light. It acted like it was in a bind (as if the brakes were being applied just as you gave it some gas. What opinions are there? Broken band? Stuck valve? I would think that if it was the sprage clutch, it wouldn't want to back up. Good thing I've still got the wagonaire. The worst part of it all is we've still not closed on our new property which has a nice big garage where I could work on the truck inside! I'll probably let it set untill then. But it will be a hassle when it comes time to move. MIke S. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:34:46 From: Saltsgavers Subject: Re: fsj: tranny woes No, when I took it out for another trial run today, I didn't experience any binding on take off. it just wont come out of lo gear. It goes into reverse ok. The thing that bothers me is this is the same truck that gave me problems in October. It started slipping & wouldn't pull itself after running fine all day. I changed the filter & it ran ok (this bothered me, as a "non normal" occurance). I guess this will give me a chance to break in my new garage by spilling red fluid all over it! Mike S. At 04:22 PM 1/30/00 -0800, James Blair wrote: >A: Sounds to me like the second gear band has broken, cracking the valve >body in the process. If it had a problem with moving in reverse, it >would be the low reverse clutch seal blown. Does it still feel like it's >binding on takeoff? Try manual shifting to low instead of drive. The >other thing it could be is a sticking upshift servo in the trannt >tailstock, or a plugged valve body. I keep a spare around in case I have >one like that, that I just swap in for emergency. > >Mike wrote: >Now that the weather has finally come to justify my ownership of a 4x4, >the truck has layed down on me. On the last mile of a 100 mile round >trip yesterday, I had just left a stop light & the tranny flared instead >of shifting into 2nd. (for those who dont remember, it's an '83 J-10). >I coasted into a parking lot to check for a ruptured cooler line or any >other obvious mechanical sign. Found nothing, so decided to limp it the >rest of the way home. When I left the parking lot, it went into gear >well, but now will not up shift. It does go into reverse ok. To >complicate the symptoms, at least twice this week, the truck acted funny >when leaving a traffic light. It acted like it was in a bind (as if the >brakes were being applied just as you gave it some gas. >What opinions are there? Broken band? Stuck valve? I would think that if >it was the sprage clutch, it wouldn't want to back up. >Good thing I've still got the wagonaire. The worst part of it all is >we've still not closed on our new property which has a nice big garage >where I could work on the truck inside! I'll probably let it set untill >then. But it will be a hassle when it comes time to move. >MIke S. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr >http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false >================================= > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:51:49 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Murphy visits Snohomish I've had Murphy as a project helper ALL weekend!!! First the studs, which I managed to scrounge up in various places... Then the bearing on driver's side is loose... could have been the clunking sound... Then bitter cold turns into rain... I spent all day chasing parts, now I'm sitting in the rain with a piece of plywood over my head and my butt getting wet in the rain... Almost there... only had two striped bolts so far... Sheesh... I haven't had this much fun since I can't remember when... What happened to the sunshine? I may just call in a wrecker and take this thing into Everett and have Jim Startup finish it... :) Well, one more attempt before throwing a very wet towel in... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:18:40 From: Saltsgavers Subject: Re: fsj: Murphy visits Snohomish I've never figured out why anyone without webbed feet would want to live in the PNW! flat instead of soggy, Mike S. At 05:51 PM 1/30/00 -0800, john wrote: >I've had Murphy as a project helper ALL weekend!!! > >First the studs, which I managed to scrounge up in various places... >Then the bearing on driver's side is loose... could have been the >clunking sound... Then bitter cold turns into rain... I spent >all day chasing parts, now I'm sitting in the rain with a piece of plywood >over my head and my butt getting wet in the rain... Almost there... >only had two striped bolts so far... Sheesh... I haven't had this >much fun since I can't remember when... What happened to the sunshine? > >I may just call in a wrecker and take this thing into Everett and have >Jim Startup finish it... :) > >Well, one more attempt before throwing a very wet towel in... ;) > >john >----------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >----------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:18:13 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 87 fsj At 02:43 PM 1/30/00 -0500, Adam William Bryant wrote: >deer John my names adam bryant i live in north carolina and i just >bought a 87 grand wagoneer i need some help if you don't mind id like to >know if you could help find fsj suppliers for anything from lifts to >electrical she runs good several things need some attention but all >around my wagon runs decent please if you know of any suppliers on the >web or in print i.e. magazines please help >' > > thank you adam bryant > There are a variety of sources out there... I just learned of one back east I'm gonna check out and post to the FSJ list on digest.net if it's a good one. Otherwise, local yards, Crown Automotive, JC Whitney, Olympic 4x4 here in Snohomish, and just plain old scrounging. :) john ============================================================================ ========== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to any of the lists to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). Please do not send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text to the lists. 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Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:39:40 From: Saltsgavers Subject: Re: fsj: Murphy visits Snohomish I dunno......pulling a tranny in the rain, or in the snow.......not much of an advantage either way as I see it! Mike S. At 06:20 PM 1/30/00 -0800, john wrote: >At 08:18 PM 1/30/00, Saltsgavers wrote: >>I've never figured out why anyone without webbed feet would want to live in >>the PNW! >> >>flat instead of soggy, >>Mike S. > >yeah... it's 45 degrees outside... :) sure it's raining, but >I'm wearing a sweatshirt and coveralls... what do you have to put >on to work outside in January? > >john ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:01:07 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: tranny woes A: Check you passing gear hasn't fallen down, and jammed towards the back. If it's still attached, try ramming it back by hand a dozen or so times. Your upshift valve in the output shaft may be accessible w/o tearing the whole tranny apart. Did you put STP oil treatment in it? When you changed the filter, a piece of crud may have gone in and jammed the valve from opening. Mike wrote: No, when I took it out for another trial run today, I didn't experience any binding on take off. it just wont come out of lo gear. It goes into reverse ok. The thing that bothers me is this is the same truck that gave me problems in October. It started slipping & wouldn't pull itself after running fine all day. I changed the filter & it ran ok (this bothered me, as a "non normal" occurance). I guess this will give me a chance to break in my new garage by spilling red fluid all over it! Mike S. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:37:47 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: weather... What gives? I have three running Jeeps (well mostly running... just not stopping right now :) and all we get is rain.... While Raliegh, NC gets 20 inches of snow!!! Even Georgia is facing cold weather! Ok, so I won't complain so much about mid 40's rain... :) It does look like we might see a little snow later in the week... Hopefully my J10 will have the TBI setup, and the little wagoneer will have binders. Well, back outside... I've been messing around with a new pc... I sold my son my old one and swapped parts around instead of reloading win98... I may end up having to reload windoze again though... trying to do two monitors... sort of works... it tells me it recognizes it, but it won't configure... After setting up the sound card the system won't come back up... time to call in my teenager... ;) back to the brakes... lord willing I'll have them done soon... john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:37:43 EST From: Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: 1981 wagoneer O.K., This is just a question at this point. I may and I stress may have to sell my Wagoneer. Its an 81 V-8, manuel locking hubs, body in good condition but does need a little work and a paint job. Engine runs well and the transfer case and transmission are good. It has a rear mount for the tire and a big OLE honking brush guard/push bumper on it. The interior is in tact with all original seats. It is tan with the brown interior. If I was to sell it What are the feelings on what would be a fair price. I have an idea but I just want to make sure. It is garage kept in Delaware. any feed back would help a lot in the event that I am forced with a gun to my head to sell her. Thanks Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:00:33 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 1981 wagoneer I think I sold Old Blue for about $4300 or so... but there weren't a spot of rust on him... moonroof, quadratrac, full blown limited, with 86 interior... :) john At 10:37 PM 1/30/00 EST, Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com wrote: >O.K., > This is just a question at this point. I may and I stress may have to sell >my Wagoneer. Its an 81 V-8, manuel locking hubs, body in good condition but >does need a little work and a paint job. Engine runs well and the transfer >case and transmission are good. It has a rear mount for the tire and a big >OLE honking brush guard/push bumper on it. The interior is in tact with all >original seats. It is tan with the brown interior. If I was to sell it What >are the feelings on what would be a fair price. I have an idea but I just >want to make sure. It is garage kept in Delaware. any feed back would help a >lot in the event that I am forced with a gun to my head to sell her. > > > Thanks Joe > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:02:09 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 1981 wagoneer One more thing... I think Old Blue was the exception because of all that I'd done to him... a more typical price for an 81 would be in the $2,000 to $3,500 range... Old Blue had a lot of special stuff... :) john I think I sold Old Blue for about $4300 or so... but there weren't a spot of rust on him... moonroof, quadratrac, full blown limited, with 86 interior... :) john At 10:37 PM 1/30/00 EST, Grtdaneguy-at-aol.com wrote: >O.K., > This is just a question at this point. I may and I stress may have to sell >my Wagoneer. Its an 81 V-8, manuel locking hubs, body in good condition but >does need a little work and a paint job. Engine runs well and the transfer >case and transmission are good. It has a rear mount for the tire and a big >OLE honking brush guard/push bumper on it. The interior is in tact with all >original seats. It is tan with the brown interior. If I was to sell it What >are the feelings on what would be a fair price. I have an idea but I just >want to make sure. It is garage kept in Delaware. any feed back would help a >lot in the event that I am forced with a gun to my head to sell her. > > > Thanks Joe > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 00:07:15 EST From: UrbFarmer-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Catalytic Converter Clogged?!?! If it seem that too much fuel is going through the carb, it really sounds like a stuck or sunken float like Jim was saying. When I first did a carb job on the 'Rez Runner', the float bowl was full of all kinds of crud. You can probably shut off the fuel, pop off the top of the carb (HAZARD: don't loose any little screws, ESPECIALLY down the intake!), and observe or check the float and needle valve for operation. I usually take the carb off rather than chance loosing the screws and just the general hassle of working over the top of the motor. If the float is submerged quite a bit, you will want to replace it. It is usually a good idea to replace the needle and seat at the same time. Remember to adjust the new float. They usually come with a plastic gauge and instructions. I think some of the more exotic fuel additives eventually (over several years) aren't too good on the standard black plastic floats. However, they usually are not a big hassel to replace. - --Vince '81 Wag (not a grand, but putts through Chicago snow just fine anyway!) << there aren't adjustments for anything but idle mixtures anyways... the rich scenario doesn't sound quite right... I dunno... john At 07:43 PM 1/28/00 -0800, James Blair wrote: >Nathan wrote: >I'm sure the cat is not backwards. I spoke with a guy at a local carb >shop. He said the reason it wont start is that it is too rich and cant >burn all the fuel that's being pumped into the carb, which then caused >the cat to overheat trying to burn the excess fuel...?? I asked him how >many times he's seen it happen with his experience. He said none, but >that it could happen.....how the heck can the carb just change it's >mixture all by itself!?!? I haven't touched the mixture adjustment since >I got it smogged a month ago. Since then I've taken it on two really >long trips (500+ miles) with no problems. I'll let you guys now what I >figure out this weekend. I may have to have it towed home. Thanks for >the suggestions. > >A: Given the present weather conditions, a piece of gas line ice could >be holding the 2100's needle part open, and flooding the carb, or the >choke could be coming on while driving. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr >> ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #705 *************************