From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Feb 9 20:50:13 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, February 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 719 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: progress... RE: fsj: TOOLS Re: fsj: Replacing tumblers in door-lock cylinder? Re: fsj: Replacing tumblers in door-lock cylinder? fsj: Re: J10 rear fsj: Re: AMC/Jeep, Chrysler and Benz fsj: Valentines Day gift ideas... fsj: Re: The other side... fsj: [Fwd: [1FSJ] Re: N.E. FSJ's (was Re: Digest Number 10)] fsj: Another Wagoneer fsj: Replacing tumblers in door-lock cylinder fsj: tailgate woes Re: fsj: Another Wagoneer Re: fsj: Something (Else) to look for ....FYI fsj: Re: '84 Jeep Grand Wagoneer 360 2v HP/torque specs? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 23:32:40 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: progress... A: Boy, he jumped up and out the door at 5PM! Everything started clicking after that, even my starter. (the cable broke at the solenoid yesterday!) My engine hoist wheels arrived (thanks to Honest Jacks!) that Al's couldn't replace, even though I bought the hoist from them :^( Weather is supposed to be nice tomorrow, so no posting till tomorrow night (gotta pull the bus motor and cut it up so I don't have a DUKW in my yard anymore!) Then I'll tune the Lincoln, or get the '83 Dodge van running so I can test the motor and tranny for my other one. THEN, I'll be able to move my frame into the garage to start Elmo's buildup! WOOHOO!! John wrote: (snip) Who ever is sitting on Murphy you can let him up for a while... I'm not going to be operating a wrench for a few hours... ;) Thanx! You know if things keep going like this I might even be able to get the wife's projects done too... wait, what am I saying??? I'm totally out of control... ;) later, john ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 04:19:29 -0700 From: "Berry, Bradley A" Subject: RE: fsj: TOOLS The Craftsman light is good, but don't put your inductive pick up too close to your headers, or it will work kind of like mine. You get it adjusted on the wire just right so that it is working well, but by the time you find the timing marks and line the light up, it's stopped working again. Talk about aggravating! And my local Sears store claims that they don't sell the wiring clip separately. If anybody had a dead Craftsman light they want to get rid of the wiring clip for, I'd know a good home for it. Brad 88 GW > -----Original Message----- > From: john [SMTP:john-at-wagoneers.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 7:52 PM > To: Borowski, Paul > Cc: 'fsj-at-digest.net' > Subject: Re: fsj: TOOLS > > At 06:02 PM 2/8/00 -0500, Borowski, Paul wrote: > >Need to get a timing light and tachometer to tune my red beast(88 Grand > >Wagoner), any recommendations on what and where to get them? > > > >Thanks > >Paul > > buying the cheapest isn't always the best. Craftsman stuff is usually > pretty good. I don't even know what brand of timing light I've got, > it's a pretty decent one, inductive pickup. > > Spend a little more for quality... I've learned the hard way about > "saving" > money. ;) > > john > ----------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 10:00:41 -0500 From: Robert Barry Subject: Re: fsj: Replacing tumblers in door-lock cylinder? At 09:49 PM 2/8/2000 -0800, you wrote: >it's no secret... just take all the pieces to a locksmith and let him/her solve >the riddle. It won't cost much and you won't be seen crawling around looking >for little springs... I would, but locksmiths around here aren't willing to take on such menial jobs. I stood at a locksmith's counter, with both cylinders in hand, told him I'd pay him to switch the tumblers; he thought about it a second, and then shook his head no. Heck, I thought, if this idiot can do it, but won't, then I ought to be able to do it as well, so I didn't get down on my knees and beg him to do this job for me. ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 09:01:19 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Replacing tumblers in door-lock cylinder? At 10:00 AM 2/9/00 -0500, you wrote: >At 09:49 PM 2/8/2000 -0800, you wrote: >>it's no secret... just take all the pieces to a locksmith and let him/her >solve >>the riddle. It won't cost much and you won't be seen crawling around looking >>for little springs... > >I would, but locksmiths around here aren't willing to take on such menial >jobs. I stood at a locksmith's counter, with both cylinders in hand, told >him I'd pay him to switch the tumblers; he thought about it a second, and >then shook his head no. Heck, I thought, if this idiot can do it, but >won't, then I ought to be able to do it as well, so I didn't get down on my >knees and beg him to do this job for me. yeah, I think it's the "locksmith" attitude or something... I had to pull mine out of my doors, then he fixed 'em, and still charged me $50. john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 09:52:01 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: J10 rear rear tread 63.8 inches. varies a little over the years, I just grabbed one at random. Not sure what the XJ is. I know the J10s are a bit wider than the standard Wagoneer john At 12:26 PM 2/9/00 -0500, you wrote: >How much wider/more narrow is a D44 J10 rear than an XJ rear? I've >got a lead for one for $100 plus needs new drums. > >Bob > >___________________ >cherokee-4wheelin-at-vt.edu >http://www.vt.edu:10021/H/hmock/ >____________________________________ > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:50:53 -0800 From: Thunderbird Subject: fsj: Re: AMC/Jeep, Chrysler and Benz kos-at-aircond.com wrote: Interesting comments related to Chrysler's acquisition of AMC for purposes of securing the Jeep brand, and Daimler Benz's relationship with Chrysler. Check it out at: http://www.edmunds.com/edweb/editorial/McMusings/chrysler_museum.html Brian 78 J10-4 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 97 Thunderbird LX 4.6 V8/Sport "Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo - use in that order." - --Ed Howdershelt ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:07:59 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Valentines Day gift ideas... Believe it or not, some of the more interesting email I get from time to time is a request from the significant others asking what to get someone for Christmas, Birthday, or now Valentines day. So, I'm posting this, and would like to see everyone respond with what they'd like from their sweetie if he/she were to buy a present for their Jeep. Let's put a dollar limit of $250 on the idea. ( ok to add a more expensive item, but at least one that's not a budget buster... ) Please post to the lists for others to get the same ideas. And then let's leave the digest open on our screens for our significant others to see... ;) I'd like those floor mats that will hold a quart of mud/snow/water/sand... forget what they're called, but they're about $50 or less... tan please... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:00:56 -0800 From: Thunderbird Subject: fsj: Re: The other side... Brian wrote: 3) PROTECT WILD FORESTS At the end of last year, the Sierra Club launched a massive grassroots effort to support the President's Wild Forest Protection Plan - a historic initiative that could lead to the protection of 60 million acres of our last unspoiled wild forests. You may be one of the hundreds of thousands of Club activists who signed one of our postcards or spoke at a public hearing in support of the Wild Forest Protection Plan. Sierra Club grassroots efforts were awesome and we flooded the Forest Service with comments. But our work to protect these wild forests is far from over. Timber industry allies and off-road vehicle enthusiasts are mounting a massive campaign to delay and defeat this proposal. Please help demonstrate broad public support for protecting our last wild forests by writing a letter to the editor of your local newspaper. Some Points to Address in your letter: Our national forests should be protected from all damaging activities; I support the protection of all wild forest roadless areas over 1,000 acres from all damaging activities; I urge my elected officials to publicly support this historic plan. If your letter is published, please send a copy to the Sierra Club in DC at 408 C St NE, Washington DC 20002, ATTN: Wild Forest Campaign. Thank you. 7) PUT THE BRAKES ON SPRAWL As poorly planned development continues to eat away at Americans' quality of life, Congress can help stop sprawl by supporting the Better America Bonds Act, H.R. 2446 in the House of Representatives and the Community Open Space Bonds Act, S. 1558 in the Senate. These bills would help local communities by financing smart growth measures, revitalizing urban areas and removing open space from the path of development. These companion bills would set up a voluntary program allowing communities to carry out their own conservation priorities by using zero interest bonds to purchase open space, protect water quality, improve access to parks, and redevelop abandoned industrial city centers. Call your Representative and Senator and tell urge them help promote smart growth initiatives that protect open space by cosponsoring these bills. Brian 78 J10-4 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 97 Thunderbird LX 4.6 V8/Sport "Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo - use in that order." - --Ed Howdershelt ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:36:00 -0600 From: poolcues-at-bellsouth.net Subject: fsj: [Fwd: [1FSJ] Re: N.E. FSJ's (was Re: Digest Number 10)] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------966DF729B22AB7CAD5338374 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit for members who may be in that area.. I thought to pass it along.. Thanks for the Valentine stuff ..John! I passed it to 1FSJ-at-onelist.com later! Your friend, R.J. - --------------966DF729B22AB7CAD5338374 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail6.bellsouth.net (mail6.bellsouth.net [205.152.150.6]) by mail4.lig.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with ESMTP id PAA20588 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:11:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from fk.egroups.com (fk.egroups.com [208.48.218.17]) by mail6.bellsouth.net (3.3.5alt/0.75.2) with SMTP id PAA04413 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:09:12 -0500 (EST) X-eGroups-Return: sentto-423226-387-poolcues=bellsouth.net-at-returns.onelist.com Received: from [10.1.10.35] by fk.egroups.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2000 19:57:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 24562 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2000 19:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by 10.1.10.35 with QMQP; 9 Feb 2000 19:56:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sequent1.providence.edu) (206.102.239.2) by mta1.onelist.com with SMTP; 9 Feb 2000 19:56:41 -0000 Received: from robert-barry.providence.edu ([10.4.1.207]) by sequent1.providence.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA09858 for <1FSJ-at-onelist.com>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:52:39 GMT Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000209145636.00aba2f8-at-sequent1.providence.edu> X-Sender: rbarry-at-sequent1.providence.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) To: 1FSJ-at-onelist.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list 1FSJ-at-onelist.com; contact 1FSJ-owner-at-onelist.com Delivered-To: mailing list 1FSJ-at-onelist.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 14:56:36 -0500 From: Robert Barry Reply-to: 1FSJ-at-onelist.com Subject: [1FSJ] Re: N.E. FSJ's (was Re: Digest Number 10) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mail3.lig.bellsouth.net id QAA18226 From: Robert Barry >Good idea, Bob, I'm game. I wasn't aware of any off-road (legal) trails >around here. Just the occaisional beach. Where are they?? In Massachusetts, there are a number of state forests; a map of the SE locations can be seen at: http://www.magnet.state.ma.us/dem/region1.htm Freetown seems to allow access for off-highway use: http://www.magnet.state.ma.us/dem/parks/free.htm and Myles Standish lists 35 miles of "recreational vehicle trails": http://www.magnet.state.ma.us/dem/parks/mssf.htm The Rhode Island Management Areas are listed under: http://www.huntri.com/wma.shtml I've mainly driven in the George-Washington Management Area, though the Arcadia M.A. is supposed to be larger. Some management Areas have gates o= n some trails, restricting access somewhat, but I've never run across any a= t GW that were closed. Again, the GW area roads only really need 4wd in som= e areas, except if they are muddy, in which case I wouldn't want to be out there without somebody else around to yank me out of a sticky spot. There is also beach access down in RI's south-county, plus the access alo= ng the National Seashore out on Cape Cod, each of which requires its own per= mits. Anyone else familiar with S.E. New England off-highway possibilities? ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ - --------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- $10 Savings on Pet Valentine Gifts.=20 Looking for that pet-perfect Valentine=92s Day gift? Click here for $10 off purchases of $25 or more.=20 Click Here - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subscribe: http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/1FSJ UnSubscribe: http://www.onelist.com/unsubscribe/1FSJ - --------------966DF729B22AB7CAD5338374-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:10:40 -0500 From: fatmac99-at-mindspring.com Subject: fsj: Another Wagoneer Hey y'all. I've found another Wagoneer I think I might want to go look at. You may remember the first one was a complete wreck and the guy didn't know what he had or was talking about. This is a 73 model that is Jerrari orange (first plus). It has 195000 one owner miles and doesn't run. Guess where I saw it, ebay. It will be on the "auction over" list for a month, so go take a look if you want. It is near New Orleans. Anyone who beats me to it just don't paint it a different color:-) The story goes that the guy bought it exactly as it sits, planning to fix it up. Then he got sick. That was four years ago. Now he has just had surgery and is getting rid of it. Does anyone know this man? Bobby, are you on the list? Anyway, after this long scribe my question is what is a pretty good Wagoneer that doesn't run (no one knows why) worth these days. New Orleans is about 500 miles from me, going and getting it isn't really a big problem. Also, if I did go down and buy it, what rims (like Chevy's) would fit it as I don't have any Jeep wheels to take as spares? Here is the lodown on $$: It started at $250, went to $327.82 (bidding feverishly against some woman in KY), the reserve was $750, they'd take $500. Good deal? Too much? Body looks decent, typical rust beginning (their description). Any ideas? Anyone? Bueller? Well thanks again. I feel that much closer to being "one of the guys." Mike Clark Many cars but no Jeeps (yet) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:03:14 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Replacing tumblers in door-lock cylinder john writes: >> {something} :-) << The lock cylinder can be remove very easily. Open the door. Put your fing= er on the lock cylinder cover on the outside of the door. Then move your finger toward the rear edge of the door and wrap it around the lip. At th= e tip of your finger is a clip which, if it hasn't rotted away, is hidden under a foam like cover fastened on each end with a plastic rivet. Pry th= e rivets out, and then remove the clip with a plier by pulling straight bac= k. The clip has to be perfectly centered in the slot before it'll come out. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 09-Feb-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:40:06 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: tailgate woes Oops, here I go again. Posting to the wrong list. Plus, I'll let the dual subscribers in on a secret...shhh. I accidentally double-posted to t= he other list today. For once, it's not the server's fault :-). But one of t= he post doesn't have a reply...suppose that implicates me totally huh. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ FORWARDED MESSAGE - Orig: 09-Feb-00 14:03:20 Subject: tailgate woes From: Michael Baxter MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com To: FSJ-List (Posts) INTERNET:fsj-list-at-lists.off-road.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Saltsgavers writes: >> Still puzzled why the gods of tailgates allowed the window to go up the other night, saving me from a freezing drive home. I must have been = a good boy lately. << Mike, Sounds like classic bad paddle switch symptoms to me. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 09-Feb-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 16:54:09 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Another Wagoneer Honestly... I'd walk away from it. It's the first year they did Quadratrac, but with DRUM brakes in front. I'm not sure, but it's probably a 5 lug rim as well, I think they went 6 lug in 74. $500 is way too much for one that year, especially if it doesn't run. You could buy a running Wagoneer of later vintage rust free up here in the Northwest for less than $1,500 and drive it home! At 05:10 PM 2/9/00 -0500, fatmac99-at-mindspring.com wrote: >Hey y'all. > >I've found another Wagoneer I think I might want to go look at. You may >remember the first one was a complete wreck and the guy didn't know what he >had or was talking about. > >This is a 73 model that is Jerrari orange (first plus). It has 195000 one >owner miles and doesn't run. Guess where I saw it, ebay. It will be on the >"auction over" list for a month, so go take a look if you want. It is near >New Orleans. Anyone who beats me to it just don't paint it a different >color:-) > >The story goes that the guy bought it exactly as it sits, planning to fix it >up. Then he got sick. That was four years ago. Now he has just had >surgery and is getting rid of it. Does anyone know this man? Bobby, are >you on the list? > >Anyway, after this long scribe my question is what is a pretty good Wagoneer >that doesn't run (no one knows why) worth these days. New Orleans is about >500 miles from me, going and getting it isn't really a big problem. Also, >if I did go down and buy it, what rims (like Chevy's) would fit it as I >don't have any Jeep wheels to take as spares? Here is the lodown on $$: It >started at $250, went to $327.82 (bidding feverishly against some woman in >KY), the reserve was $750, they'd take $500. Good deal? Too much? Body >looks decent, typical rust beginning (their description). Any ideas? >Anyone? Bueller? > >Well thanks again. I feel that much closer to being "one of the guys." > >Mike Clark >Many cars but no Jeeps (yet) > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:33:48 -0800 (PST) From: Jeep Wagoneer Subject: Re: fsj: Something (Else) to look for ....FYI $18?!? I guess the $6 I paid _was_ a good deal... - --- RKH911-at-aol.com wrote: > To make a long story short, someone offered to help > me test the battery under > load and as he looked at the battery and I started > the engine he waved his > hands wildly. The starter "relay" or switch was > shooting lightning, as he > described it. VERY possible fire danger but for 18 > bucks I replaced the > switch and everythings fine. I feel real fortunate > that someone was able to > witness this cuz I never would have and would hate > to see my GW go up in > flames because of a 20 dollar part Just an FYI. > > Rob Harrison > 85 Grand Wagoneer ===== John Jacobs - jeep_wag_75-at-yahoo.com 1975 Jeep Wagoneer Royal Oak, Michigan http://members.home.net/jacobsj/index.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 20:47:43 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: '84 Jeep Grand Wagoneer 360 2v HP/torque specs? On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Guthrie, Pat wrote: >-->HI John, >--> >-->Nice page(s) you have! I was told by another Jeep Lover that you might be >-->able to find the HP and torque specs for my Wagoneer (see title line). I've >-->hunted around but can't seem to find it anywhere. A couple of people have >-->shot numbers at me from 210 to 235 Hp and torque up to 285 ft/lbs. ok, 1984 V-8 360 (5.9L) borexstroke = 3.88x3.19 compression ratio 8.25:1 Net Horsepower: 129 hp -at- 3,700 rpm Net Torque: 245 ft-lbs -at- 1,600 rpm FWIW, the I-6 258 (4.2L) bxs 3.75 x 3.90 in compression ratio 9.2:1 Net Horsepower: 115 hp -at- 3,200 rpm Net Torque: 210 ft-lbs -at- 1,800 rpm Early years might have provided those kinds of numbers, but trying to obtain fuel economy, and or different measurement techniques only get you what is shown. :) In 1975 the 2v V8 had 175 hp -at- 4,000 rpm, with 285 ft-lbs -at- 2,900 rpm. There is a noticeable difference when you drive one too. It's not just in the numbers. :) BTW, I've found that the 258's have almost as much get up and go as the V8's. I've also found that the newer 4.0L's are really awesome and durable. I've got one in my 88 xj wagoneer that has over 198,000 miles on it! And going strong... and with 4.10 gears, a high flow cat, flowmaster and Amsoil air filter and oil, I can beat a 5.0L Mustang! Fuel injection is an awesome thing. :) ttyl, john >--> >-->I'd appreciate any info or good links you have.. >--> >-->Many thanks! >--> >-->Pat G >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #719 *************************