From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Feb 15 14:30:59 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, February 15 2000 Volume 01 : Number 728 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: superdawg update Re: fsj: alarms and FSJs Re: fsj: insurance fun coming up.... Re: fsj: Tire size Re: fsj: insurance fun coming up.... Re: fsj: Re: superdawg update [none] fsj: Re: aluminum valve covers for AMC Re: fsj: Re: superdawg update Re: fsj: Re: superdawg update fsj: Re: aluminum valve covers for AMC fsj: Re: superdawg update Re: fsj: Re: superdawg update fsj: Re: gutless 327 Jeep motor fsj: Re: insurance fun coming up.... fsj: Re: superdawg update fsj: A sad and amazing bone yard find Re: fsj: A sad and amazing bone yard find Re: fsj: Re: insurance fun coming up.... fsj: for sale Re: fsj: for sale fsj: Re: A sad and amazing bone yard find Re: fsj: for sale fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:23:47 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: superdawg update the pc speakers are from a newer HP Pavilion system I installed in a DR's office. they are kind of long and slender. The quality is not stupendous, but adequate for fill. I wouldn't recommend them in a wagoneer... you won't be happy. The surface mount pioneers, three way enclosure, bought mine at Fred Meyers for around $100 work great in a Wagoneer... or even a little wagoneer.. :) john At 11:15 PM 2/13/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/13/2000 7:34:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, >owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: > >> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:16:35 -0800 >> From: john >(snip) >> also grabbed the extra PC speakers from an HP Pavilion system I >> installed for a Dr's office and wedged them in the door posts and >> wired them in... so I have a 4 speaker system in my J10. :) They >> aren't the best quality sound, but fill in nicely and will make it >> much more enjoyable... > >How'd you do dat? I always thought the old PC speakers ought to be good for >something but it seemed like I once read that there was something so odd >about them that they weren't good for much else. > >Ben Williams >'71 Wagoneer >'78 F-250 > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:04:26 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: alarms and FSJs At 12:17 AM 2/14/00 -0600, poolcues-at-bellsouth.net wrote: >I like the idea of the remote door unlocker. >Is it hard to put in? so your door locks work now? >as you know, mine are a bit flaky right now... can I do the same? >Where did you get it? how much? > >R.J. any stereo/auto alarm outfit will have 'em. Cartoys wanted about $350 for the same setup. Easy to do yourself. get the electric door locks from JC Whitney, 2dr about $60, and a remote opener, $30 or so. Or get an alarm with a remote, anywhere from $50 to $200... They installed the alarm, two door lock solenoids, gave me two remote fobs, installed two speakers (mine) for $280 plus tax, total $304. stinkin' tax... grumble... took 'em about 2 hours, two guys... worth it... john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:18:40 -0700 From: "Tacoma White" Subject: Re: fsj: insurance fun coming up.... <> already done as of an hour ago. I'm pretty tweaked about that one. The girl was a security guard, but I'm surprised the blue wall extends to rent-a-cops. My insurance adjuster is coming tomorrow, and I've got some email from Warn for him, as well as some estimates for custom-fabbing a replacement from my friendly welder buddy.... seeing that they dont' make these bumpers anymore I'll have to get a new one, won't i? and they run about $1000. =) but that's only if she pushes it. Let's see-- she has no insurance, the photos she would have to have taken would show impact from right to left (meaning she crossed my vehicle from the rear) on her bumper, I've got two witnesses. Hopefully she'll do the right thing. If not I get to use our great American legal system, for an actually valid cause LOL.. now that's something you don't see too much these days-- valid cases in court!!! =) in UT Tacoma 78 Cherokee bent bumper special (rare option from Jeep) 67 Kaiser M725 "Gigantor the Heep" icq 5058954 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:55:26 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Tire size OME's are not available for SJ's.... :( You could use the lightest duty, longest length add-a-leaf you can find... or use a bunch of late 70's springs and mix and match and make your own like I've done... use new friction pads and amsoil synthetic grease on the pads... works great. john At 06:07 AM 2/14/00 -0700, Berry, Bradley A wrote: >OK guys, > >Just for reference, 31 x 10.5s will not necessarily fit under your GW. My >88 seems to have settled a little in the rear, but that appears to be par >for the course. It isn't obvious or anything, and it might even be normal >from the factory. Anyway when I go over an off camber rail track or up a >steep driveway, I rub the tires. So, that means that I have an excuse for >suspension work! I still haven't found out if Old Man EMU makes FSJ springs >yet, but they'd be my first choice. Does anyone have a suggestion for >springs/shocks/blocks that might actually improve my ride, instead of making >it worse? > >Thanks, > >Brad Berry >88 GW > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:01:58 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: insurance fun coming up.... look out so they don't total your rig... then you'll have to buy it back for scrap price and retitle it... ;) whose paying for her damages? not you or your insurance company I hope. Remember, your insurance company will probably handle this for you. Do you have uninsured motorist? john At 12:18 PM 2/14/00 -0700, Tacoma White wrote: ><for >you. It may come in handy later to CYA. A cop "can not disallow a witness" >if there is a dispute. After all, they were there...the cop wasn't. > >Regards,>> > > already done as of an hour ago. I'm pretty tweaked about that one. The >girl was a security guard, but I'm surprised the blue wall extends to >rent-a-cops. My insurance adjuster is coming tomorrow, and I've got some >email from Warn for him, as well as some estimates for custom-fabbing a >replacement from my friendly welder buddy.... seeing that they dont' make >these bumpers anymore I'll have to get a new one, won't i? and they run >about $1000. =) but that's only if she pushes it. Let's see-- she has no >insurance, the photos she would have to have taken would show impact from >right to left (meaning she crossed my vehicle from the rear) on her bumper, >I've got two witnesses. Hopefully she'll do the right thing. If not I get >to use our great American legal system, for an actually valid cause LOL.. >now that's something you don't see too much these days-- valid cases in >court!!! =) > >in UT >Tacoma >78 Cherokee bent bumper special (rare option from Jeep) >67 Kaiser M725 >"Gigantor the Heep" >icq 5058954 > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 12:03:19 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: superdawg update At 02:45 PM 2/14/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/14/2000 10:19:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, >john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > >> the pc speakers are from a newer HP Pavilion system I installed in >> a DR's office. they are kind of long and slender. The quality is >> not stupendous, but adequate for fill. > >Actually, I was more interested in the technical aspects of making them work >- connections, and all that junk. > >Ben easy. Take a wire cutter, cut the little plug deal off, peel back the insulation, grab the two wires, strip them back, attach two wires to stereo and enjoy a cheesy $9.95 sound from you autostereo... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 15:58:19 -0500 From: Robert Barry Subject: [none] If you've run out of other things to spend your money on, check out these rocker covers below: http://www.uniquealuminumproducts.com/amc.htm ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:24:45 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: aluminum valve covers for AMC any idea of price? :) how much for a 4.0L or 258? john At 03:58 PM 2/14/00 -0500, Robert Barry wrote: >If you've run out of other things to spend your money on, check out these >rocker covers below: > >http://www.uniquealuminumproducts.com/amc.htm >________________________________________________ >Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu >http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:27:49 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: superdawg update In a message dated 2/14/2000 11:57:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > easy. Take a wire cutter, cut the little plug deal off, peel back the > insulation, > grab the two wires, strip them back, attach two wires to stereo and enjoy > a cheesy $9.95 sound from you autostereo... :) I thought PC speakers had some kind of amp or something in them that could damage whatever they were hooked to. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 13:58:04 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: superdawg update At 04:27 PM 2/14/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 2/14/2000 11:57:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, >john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > >> easy. Take a wire cutter, cut the little plug deal off, peel back the >> insulation, >> grab the two wires, strip them back, attach two wires to stereo and enjoy >> a cheesy $9.95 sound from you autostereo... :) > >I thought PC speakers had some kind of amp or something in them that could >damage whatever they were hooked to. >>Ben some have amps in them, these were just speakers hung out on the end of the cable... the amp was on the sound card that's still in the HP. :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:53:36 -0500 From: Robert Barry Subject: fsj: Re: aluminum valve covers for AMC At 01:24 PM 2/14/2000 -0800, john wrote: >any idea of price? :) how much for a 4.0L or 258? > >At 03:58 PM 2/14/00 -0500, Robert Barry wrote: >>If you've run out of other things to spend your money on, check out these >>rocker covers below: >> >>http://www.uniquealuminumproducts.com/amc.htm Unfortunately, I only know what I saw by reading the web-site. Since a can of engine-paint is beyond my budget right now, custom aluminum rocker covers might be a bit extravegant... ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:10:40 EST From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: superdawg update In a message dated 00-02-13 22:34:27 EST, john wrote: > The dimmer switch wiring going to the high beams was MAJOR TOAST!!! The same thing happened to the White Rhino last year. I yanked the dimmer switch and spliced the wires with wire-nuts as a "temporary" fix... ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ not leaving Las Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 14:32:00 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: superdawg update At 05:10 PM 2/14/00 EST, OrigamiTB-at-aol.com wrote: >switch and spliced the wires with wire-nuts as a "temporary" fix... last year? temporary? ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:23:02 EST From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: gutless 327 Jeep motor In a message dated 00-02-13 22:34:27 EST, Cary Nickel wrote: > It doesn't miss, it idles smooth, and accelerates smooth, the points are good, > wires, spark plugs all new, the heat riser is working fine, checked the vacuum > advance today, and it is operating. No vacuum leaks that I can find. Doesn't > overheat, the tranny shifts right. Brakes aren't dragging, Spark plugs aren't > fouling. Sounds like retarded spark advance; check it with a timing light. If the spark timing's okay, then it might be retarded cam timing, due to a worn timing chain. That's harder to check, but if you notice that the spark timing seems to be jumping about, a worn timing chain could be the problem. ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ http://members.aol.com/OrigamiTB/WhRhino.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:17:56 EST From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: insurance fun coming up.... In a message dated 00-02-14 13:20:56 EST, Tacoma White wrote about his recent bumper-to-bumper contact: > I'm trying to be the nice guy I tried being the nice guy when something very similar happened to me, and I wound up paying for the repairs to *HER* car after she took me to court. I had the evidence and the witnesses, but she had the "investigating" (hah!) cop's sympathy, and wept piteously on the witness stand! So, of course, the judge ruled against the heartless brute (me) who failed to get out of her way! GRrrr... ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ no more Mr. Nice Guy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:28:21 EST From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: superdawg update In a message dated 00-02-14 17:23:54 EST, john wrote: >> switch and spliced the wires with wire-nuts as a "temporary" fix... > > last year? temporary? ;) Yeah, my "temporary" fixes tend to last longer than most! ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ temporarily on Earth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 100 15:36:58 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Seevers Subject: fsj: A sad and amazing bone yard find Today durring lunch I braved the rain and decided to do a little window shopping at one of the bone yards here in portland. I am still in a daze over what I found. When I got there, I could hear the unmistakeable sounds of an FSJ wimpering off in the yard somehwere. As I wandered down the rows, I looked over and there is was. A 1979 Cherokee Widetrack. Now that is by no means a surprise - -- this yard typically has anywhere from 2 to 10 FSJs at any given time. What was a surprise was the condition this one was in -- almost show room condition! It is a 1979 Cherokee Cheif Golden Eagle. Bronze in color. No rust anywhere! I checked the flairs, wheel wells, bottom of the doors, and under the carpet, front and back. No body damage at all. Paint is very close to show room condition with the exception of a couple VERY small scratches. Decals are perfect. All glass except the front windsheild is perfect. Here is what is wrong with it -- it is a victim of an engine fire. It took its toll. The hood is missing. Front windshield cracked. Engine compartment is toast. Grill is melted. Some fire got to the dash area. Shoppers have already got the transmission and t-case, and the front seats, roof rack, and some other interior parts. The interior isn't in as good of shape as the outside -- possibly from the smoke and heat. I have a feeling this thing has been kept in a garage all its life -- the paint isn't oxidized at all! It also has an extra tank added to the back where the spare tire is normally. It has a 360V8 with a 4bbl. Probably low miles, but in my daze I forgot to check the mileage. I felt stunned and sad when I found it. The body on this thing is in such great shape! The paint is in great shape, but there may be some heat and smoke damage to the front fenders and cowel area. It is in better shape than my wifes 1997 minivan! Of course, I wanted to take it home, but I can't (and stay married). It also looks very clean underneath. It has had a good life until now. When I was leaving I swung through the tire room. there against the wall where its four bronze spoke rims with tires and center caps. I'm going to go off and cry now... - -brad ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:13:09 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: A sad and amazing bone yard find At 03:36 PM 2/14/00 -0800, Brad Seevers wrote: >I'm going to go off and cry now... >-brad We ought to write a song... kind of like that one about the guy smashing guitars... "It breaks my heart to see those stars smashing a perfectly good guitar..." Economics doesn't make sense when it comes to Mercedes Benz and Full Size Jeeps... john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:24:24 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: insurance fun coming up.... A: I got a permanent neck and lower back injury (broken tailbone, but the hospital refused to xray me when I went in, saying it was just "soft tissue damage") from the bimbo that hit me. L&I tried to make like it was my fault for being stopped by rush hour traffic for her to hit me at OVER the speed limit in Bellvue (while yakking on the cellphone no less), and they wouldn't even give her a ticket, and actually allowed her to drive away! (no license, no insurance, and she tried to make a "deal" with me not to call the police) In a message dated 00-02-14 13:20:56 EST, Tacoma White wrote about his recent bumper-to-bumper contact: I'm trying to be the nice guy I tried being the nice guy when something very similar happened to me, and I wound up paying for the repairs to *HER* car after she took me to court. I had the evidence and the witnesses, but she had the "investigating" (hah!) cop's sympathy, and wept piteously on the witness stand! So, of course, the judge ruled against the heartless brute (me) who failed to get out of her way! GRrrr... ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ no more Mr. Nice Guy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 00:35:29 GMT From: "Joey Johnson" Subject: fsj: for sale I've got a 1974 wagoneer for sale. It's completly original. But on the down side it is very rough. The transmission needs to be replaced. My brother was driving it while I'm at school and the front drive shaft nuckle broke and smacked the tranny. It's got a 401 with a motorcraft four-barrel. It only has 107,000 miles on it, it sat in a barn four a number of years. The price is only 500 dollars. I don't want to get rid of it, but my dad is forcing me to since that is where I'm keeping it. It is currently located in Montezuma Iowa, which is a very small town. I am only the fourth owner, and would like to see it go to a good home. So if any one is interested just write back. Joe Johnson 1974 wagoneer ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:50:39 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: for sale come on folks... step right up... such a deal. Fix that double cardon joint and drive it home... :) If wouldn't take 8 days and the GNP from a small country to get there and back... ;) john At 12:35 AM 2/15/00 GMT, Joey Johnson wrote: >I've got a 1974 wagoneer for sale. It's completly original. But on the down >side it is very rough. The transmission needs to be replaced. My brother >was driving it while I'm at school and the front drive shaft nuckle broke >and smacked the tranny. It's got a 401 with a motorcraft four-barrel. It >only has 107,000 miles on it, it sat in a barn four a number of years. The >price is only 500 dollars. I don't want to get rid of it, but my dad is >forcing me to since that is where I'm keeping it. It is currently located >in Montezuma Iowa, which is a very small town. I am only the fourth owner, >and would like to see it go to a good home. So if any one is interested >just write back. > > >Joe Johnson >1974 wagoneer > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 18:23:17 -0700 From: "Tacoma White" Subject: fsj: Re: A sad and amazing bone yard find I'm more determined than ever now to rewire my pristine M725..... Too bad about that one though..... - --Tacoma - ---------- > From: Brad Seevers > > Here is what is wrong with it -- it is a victim of an engine fire. It took > its toll. The hood is missing. Front windshield cracked. Engine compartment > is toast. Grill is melted. Some fire got to the dash area. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:33:10 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: for sale I forwarded it to the AMC-list, so you will hear from many, I'm sure! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 02:15:01 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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