From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Feb 25 23:10:46 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, February 25 2000 Volume 01 : Number 748 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Tie rod end and grease questions - long fsj: Shock Choices: Cheap or Cheaper? fsj: I-Beam Bumper: Suggestions? fsj: Re: I-Beam Bumper: Suggestions? [none] Re: fsj: pix of NP231 fsj: 87 wagoneer Re: fsj: 87 wagoneer Re: fsj: 87 wagoneer Re: fsj: 87 wagoneer Re: fsj: 87 wagoneer fsj: Re: french gold fsj: V6 fsj: Re: V6 fsj: Re: V6 Re: fsj: V6 Re: fsj: Re: V6 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 21:35:02 -0700 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: Tie rod end and grease questions - long If it was mine, I'd 86 it. That's the cheap joint, and not worth the time trying to flush it out to see. If you insist, try brake or carb solvent to dissolve the crud. A LITTLE heating with a hair dryer or heat gun, may help liquefy the old grease. kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, 24 February, 2000 21:01 Subject: fsj: Tie rod end and grease questions - long > Today I made rolling cradle for the Dana 44 front axle that's slated to go > under my Wag. I blasted almost all the crud off of it with the garden hose. > The next order of business was to hit the zerks with a grease gun before > anything rusted. As luck would have it, all 3 grease guns were empty. > > So now I'm cruising the friendly neighborhood Al's Auto Parts that's got > nothing on the shelves cause Schucks bought them out. All they've got is a > $10 tube of Prolong synthetic so I get it thinking it will be compatible with > anything and maybe I'll learn something about synthetic grease. The empty > racks of moly and lithium grease get me to thinking. I thought lithium (or > was that moly?) grease was done away with years ago and the risk of mixing > them was essentially gone. Can't remember now what the pro's and con's of > each were supposed to be. I cleaned that mental file about 10 years ago. > > Now I'm home and trying to grease the last one - it's the short tie-rod end. > Can't get the grease in so I unscrew the zerk and at the last second it goes > shooting across the garage accompanied by a big wad of grease. Somehow the > grease isn't able to push through the joint past the boot. Does this mean > it's packed full of dirt or something? I never heard of old grease getting > hard. > > The reason this matters is cause I was gonna see if the tie-rod and draglink > ends were okay by comparing the tightness of them to the relatively new ones > on the Dana 44 on my F-250. Obviously the short tie rod end is all bound up > and gonna feel tight anyway, but I'm just wondering if I'm totally wasting my > time here. > > I'm trying to save a little money if possible to keep SWMBO happy. The rest > of my Wag is mechanically new (except the tranny) so I'm not too interested > in using bad parts. Just don't wanna throw the baby out with the bathwater. > > Ben Williams > '71 Wagoneer > '78 F-250 > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 04:35:53 GMT From: Robert Barry Subject: fsj: Shock Choices: Cheap or Cheaper? I'm looking for a set of cheap shocks for my cheap truck ('78 Cherokee). Besides some $18/ea Monroe shocks, I've been looking over the ads for aftermarket shocks. Wide difference in prices, with the most expensive Pro-Comps and Trailmasters being much cheaper than the cheapest Rancho's $99.95/4- Pro-Comp ES1000 $100.00/4- Trailmaster SS $115.95/4- Pro-Comp ES3000 $119.80/4- Heckthorn Nitro 9000 $119.80/4- Skyjacker Hydro $121.95/4- Pro-Comp ES9000 $151.95/4- Rancho RS5000 I've learned from experience to not buy according to price, but among the first six choices there should be at least one decent model. I'm looking for a good dirt-road and washboard shock that won't kill my kidneys on the street. Has anyone had any good experiences with the first six shocks? ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 05:19:28 GMT From: Robert Barry Subject: fsj: I-Beam Bumper: Suggestions? I've got the material for my new bumpers all lined up: there's a scrap 10' long I-beam discarded at work, 1/4"-3/8" steel, about 5" square. Out back the bumper will be straight, with the ends cut at angles for clearance. Grade-8 bolts attaching it to the rear crossmember, with perhaps some tar-paper between the two so water and such doesn't get in there and cause rust: _ Cross->| ||__| <-I-beam member |_|| | I also plan on bolting a couple factory GM towhooks to the horizontal portion. Since these will be recovery attachment points, my question concerns whether this might rip the rear crossmember off the frame. For the front, a straight bumper wouldn't look right, so I was planning on welding two pieces in a slight "V" to conform to the front prow. To attach to the frame, I'll have to fabricate some brackets. Anyone ever done an I-beam bumper before? Any advice on the brackets? Should I reinforce the tow-hook mounts with additional plate backing, or is 1/4" steel going to be strong enough? ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 22:44:49 -0700 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: I-Beam Bumper: Suggestions? First of all, memorize this: In shear [stressed from the side of the bolt] , Grade 5 bolts are better than Grade 8. For bumpers, tow hooks, trailer hitches, etc..., use Grade 5's. Yes, you can pull the rear cross member from, loosen it, or bend it, as the rivets which hold it are not very big, and the metal not that thick. I would fab some mounts that fasten to the side rails of the frame. Use spray rubberized undercoating on each piece, let set, and bolt together. kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Barry" To: Sent: Thursday, 24 February, 2000 22:19 Subject: fsj: I-Beam Bumper: Suggestions? > I've got the material for my new bumpers all lined up: there's a scrap 10' > long I-beam discarded at work, 1/4"-3/8" steel, about 5" square. > > Out back the bumper will be straight, with the ends cut at angles for > clearance. Grade-8 bolts attaching it to the rear crossmember, with perhaps > some tar-paper between the two so water and such doesn't get in there and > cause rust: > > _ > Cross->| ||__| <-I-beam > member |_|| | > > > I also plan on bolting a couple factory GM towhooks to the horizontal > portion. Since these will be recovery attachment points, my question > concerns whether this might rip the rear crossmember off the frame. > > For the front, a straight bumper wouldn't look right, so I was planning on > welding two pieces in a slight "V" to conform to the front prow. To attach > to the frame, I'll have to fabricate some brackets. > > Anyone ever done an I-beam bumper before? Any advice on the brackets? Should > I reinforce the tow-hook mounts with additional plate backing, or is 1/4" > steel going to be strong enough? > ________________________________________________ > Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu > http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 00:52:14 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: [none] A: I got a good used set of the Trailmaster SS from Jerry Horn (when he decided to lift his another 8" they were too short) and he liked them on his SJ. I was going to buy the Edelbrocks before that though. From: Robert Barry I'm looking for a set of cheap shocks for my cheap truck ('78 Cherokee). Besides some $18/ea Monroe shocks, I've been looking over the ads for aftermarket shocks. Wide difference in prices, with the most expensive Pro-Comps and Trailmasters being much cheaper than the cheapest Rancho's =A0=A0$99.95/4- Pro-Comp ES1000 $100.00/4- Trailmaster SS $115.95/4- Pro-Comp ES3000 $119.80/4- Heckthorn Nitro 9000 $119.80/4- Skyjacker Hydro $121.95/4- Pro-Comp ES9000 $151.95/4- Rancho RS5000 I've learned from experience to not buy according to price, but among the first six choices there should be at least one decent model. I'm looking for a good dirt-road and washboard shock that won't kill my kidneys on the street. Has anyone had any good experiences with the first six shocks? ______________________________________________ Bob Barry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 01:11:36 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: pix of NP231 A: How about AW4 pics now? John wrote: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0http://www.wagoneers.com/J= EEPS/tech =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0http://www.wagoneers.com/J= EEPS/tech/NP231-backside.jpg =A0 =A0 =A0 etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:20:33 PST From: "michel balea" Subject: fsj: 87 wagoneer The local police is having an auction.... 87 wagoneer with 6 cyl.... Can someone give me a clue of what it comes with... please. Is the FSJ or .... i need some light. At $1.70 a gal.... it may go for cheap.... Michel 74 wag -in need of a little brother- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:13:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: 87 wagoneer A: Whatcha got there is an XJ! The little Wagoneer with a 4.0L straight 6 (unless the 2.8 was heldover?) with Renix fuel system. It could be 5 speed standard or 4 speed auto (were there any 4 speed standards in '87?) and it'll look pretty much like John's "other" Jeep! Probably it'll have wood sides (vinyl) and 4 doors, PS, PB, AC is on most US models. Unless abused the motor is usually good for 200,000+ miles. Could be Dana 44 rear axle (the cover looks like your other Jeep's front cover) or more likely Dana 35c (looks like an egg on it's side). Some mentioned that a Model 20 is possible (has anyone actually seen one that wasn't mickeyed in? A Matador rear axle is an easy swap) but I haven't seen any yet. Anything else is extras AFAIK. Stereo, cruise, PW, PDL, leather seats. It will have a rear hatch though! Gas mileage in the 14-20 mpg range (some better, some worse). michel=A0balea wrote: The local police is having an auction.... 87 wagoneer with 6 cyl.... Can someone give me a clue of what it comes with... please. Is the FSJ or .... i need some light. At $1.70 a gal.... it may go for cheap.... Michel 74 wag -in need of a little brother- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:31:03 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 87 wagoneer an 87 Wagoneer, without the word Grand in it would be the little XJ, like the kind I have. Really an excellent rig. However, if it is an 87 Grand Wagoneer with the 6 cylinder, unlikely, I would be very interested in it if it's clean and has a sunroof... where are you? is it where you are? btw, if it is the xj model it'll get close to 20mpg... mine is lifted, big tires and modified, I get 16 to 18. sometimes as high as 19. john At 10:20 AM 2/25/00 PST, michel balea wrote: >The local police is having an auction.... > >87 wagoneer with 6 cyl.... Can someone give me a clue of what it comes >with... please. Is the FSJ or .... i need some light. > >At $1.70 a gal.... it may go for cheap.... > >Michel >74 wag -in need of a little brother- >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:41:34 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 87 wagoneer james, stick to sj's... ;) if it's an xj it'll have a dana 30 front, dana 35 rear, the inline 4.0L six, aisin warner 4spd auto, probably an np242 and power everything. the= wagoneer on the downsized model was the top of the line xj. no model 20, no dana44, no steenkin' crappy 2.8l v6, that went away with the 86 model... my 88 has 198,000 plus miles and is doing quite well, no sign of passing on, a friend has one with 245,000 miles on it, still original trans... john At 11:13 AM 2/25/00 -0800, James Blair wrote: >A: Whatcha got there is an XJ! The little Wagoneer with a 4.0L straight >6 (unless the 2.8 was heldover?) with Renix fuel system. It could be 5 >speed standard or 4 speed auto (were there any 4 speed standards in >'87?) and it'll look pretty much like John's "other" Jeep! Probably >it'll have wood sides (vinyl) and 4 doors, PS, PB, AC is on most US >models. Unless abused the motor is usually good for 200,000+ miles. >Could be Dana 44 rear axle (the cover looks like your other Jeep's front >cover) or more likely Dana 35c (looks like an egg on it's side). Some >mentioned that a Model 20 is possible (has anyone actually seen one that >wasn't mickeyed in? A Matador rear axle is an easy swap) but I haven't >seen any yet. Anything else is extras AFAIK. Stereo, cruise, PW, PDL, >leather seats. It will have a rear hatch though! Gas mileage in the >14-20 mpg range (some better, some worse). > >michel=A0balea wrote:=20 >The local police is having an auction....=20 >87 wagoneer with 6 cyl.... Can someone give me a clue of what it comes >with... please. Is the FSJ or .... i need some light.=20 >At $1.70 a gal.... it may go for cheap....=20 >Michel >74 wag -in need of a little brother-=20 > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr >http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: >http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse=20 >=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=20 > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:24:42 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: 87 wagoneer I had the Turbo Diesel... better on fuel, a bit more reliable than the 2.8L, almost as much power... but the French thought it was made out of gold instead of aluminum when it came to rebuild parts. ;) john At 12:25 PM 2/25/00 PST, michel balea wrote: >Thank you for pointing the crappy 2.8L, i remember this one now. They had it >in France... for a few months....no power, too much gas > >They went turbo diesel... > >michel >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 13:37:13 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: french gold the worst pizza and worst Big Mac I ever ate in my life were in Paris... and they weren't cheap either... ;) The backeries were good though... ;) john At 01:32 PM 2/25/00 PST, michel balea wrote: >John said: > >French thought it was made out of gold instead of aluminum when it came to >rebuild parts. ;) > >In france anything is made out of gold.... when my Dad replaced his Honda >civic starter.....$750 > >I told him: next time pay me the airfaire, i will bring you one and install >it... did not tell him it takes 30 min including breaks... > >michel > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:56:09 -0500 From: fatmac99-at-mindspring.com Subject: fsj: V6 Hi all. I've been debating whether or not to buy a small Cherokee as a driver, so as to get decent gas mileage and still be able to haul a little bit. My search for a 70s vintage Wagoneer continues. My question is what is wrong with the 2.8 litre V6? A friend of mine had an 85 with that and a 5speed. It had 150,000+ last I knew, and going strong. I used to have an S-10, same setup, and it was purring like a kitten when I sold it at 145,000. Very satisfied, even knowing that Chevy isn't the best V6 maker. What was different about the Jeep version that nobody likes? As always, thanks for your abundant knowledge. Mike Someday Jeep owner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:44:28 -0600 From: "TLynn" Subject: fsj: Re: V6 The 2.8 is grossly underpowered and can be troublesome. A later model with the 2.5 I4 is IMHO even more desirable, if you can't find one with the 4.0 I6. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 16:56 Subject: fsj: V6 Hi all. I've been debating whether or not to buy a small Cherokee as a driver, so as to get decent gas mileage and still be able to haul a little bit. My search for a 70s vintage Wagoneer continues. My question is what is wrong with the 2.8 litre V6? A friend of mine had an 85 with that and a 5speed. It had 150,000+ last I knew, and going strong. I used to have an S-10, same setup, and it was purring like a kitten when I sold it at 145,000. Very satisfied, even knowing that Chevy isn't the best V6 maker. What was different about the Jeep version that nobody likes? As always, thanks for your abundant knowledge. Mike Someday Jeep owner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:01:05 -0700 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: V6 If anyone is interested, I know of a clean '79 Wagoneer Limited, leather seats, 401 V8, QuadraTrac, Auto, green paint, for the first $2500. Car is here in Kalispell,MT. If I had the dough, it would already be mine, but like I said, I live here in Dire Poverty, MT. kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 ----- Original Message ----- From: fatmac99-at-mindspring.com To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sent: Friday, 25 February, 2000 15:56 Subject: fsj: V6 Hi all. I've been debating whether or not to buy a small Cherokee as a driver, so as to get decent gas mileage and still be able to haul a little bit. My search for a 70s vintage Wagoneer continues. My question is what is wrong with the 2.8 litre V6? A friend of mine had an 85 with that and a 5speed. It had 150,000+ last I knew, and going strong. I used to have an S-10, same setup, and it was purring like a kitten when I sold it at 145,000. Very satisfied, even knowing that Chevy isn't the best V6 maker. What was different about the Jeep version that nobody likes? As always, thanks for your abundant knowledge. Mike Someday Jeep owner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:14:52 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: V6 At 05:56 PM 2/25/00 -0500, fatmac99-at-mindspring.com wrote: >Hi all. > >I've been debating whether or not to buy a small Cherokee as a driver, so as >to get decent gas mileage and still be able to haul a little bit. My search >for a 70s vintage Wagoneer continues. I've had a number of both XJs and SJs. I currently have one of each. http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html I've used both for Daily drivers... currently using my fsj (83 J10 Stepside). My 88 xj wagoneer is a very reliable, durable rig. it handles well, rides ok, acceptable visibility, will tow an FSJ (been there done that and didn't overheat). The xj is affordable to commute in, 16 to 20mpg... have heard of higher, but not with my right foot. :) (I've heard of 24mpg on the highway... big tires and lifts work against you though... and that was with an AT, it was an 87 4.0L) > >My question is what is wrong with the 2.8 litre V6? A friend of mine had an >85 with that and a 5speed. It had 150,000+ last I knew, and going strong. >I used to have an S-10, same setup, and it was purring like a kitten when I >sold it at 145,000. Very satisfied, even knowing that Chevy isn't the best >V6 maker. What was different about the Jeep version that nobody likes? The V6 is quite possibly the WORST engine ever put into a Jeep vehicle. That even includes the Renault All-Aluminum Turbo Diesel. The 2.8L V6 is a pig, it gets worse mileage than a 4.0L, and performs only slightly better than the Jeep I-4 2.5L carb version. The 2.8L came with a crappy carb, especially in CA emissions trim, it had this DM solenoid thing used to regulate fuel mixture or something... would eat o-rings... Many of those V6's would bust cranks. I had one busted it clean off between 2-3... was a mess. I'd recommend the 2.5L any day of the week over a 2.8L V6. I would more highly recommend the 4.0L I-6, it's great. The only issue with some of the early 90's version is piston slap/wrist pin problems... not sure of the exact years, had a few guys on the xj list have problems with them, one was a 95 model. My 88 xj 4.0L has over 198,000 miles and is doing quite well. Almost anyone I've talked that's had a v6 will agree with me that they aren't the best engine... poor performance, poor economy... I can't express my contempt for them more than I already have, in spite of a handful of people that have had luck with them. And note that I've had several 5.7L GM Diesels that I would take in a heartbeat over a 2.8L V6, seriously!!! I got 230,000 miles out of my 80 Olds Cutlass with the 5.7L Diesel!!!! The xj v6 I had was dead at 115,000 miles. I can't recall all the people I've talked to that had their V6 Jeeps die at 59,000 or just over 60,000 (and the warranty time)... It's not like I have an opinion about these motors or anything... ;) john >As always, thanks for your abundant knowledge. > >Mike >Someday Jeep owner > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 15:16:16 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: V6 sho' is beautiful in dire poverty though... right there near Glacier Nat'l park and all... john At 04:01 PM 2/25/00 -0700, Kim Smith wrote: >If anyone is interested, I know of a clean '79 Wagoneer Limited, leather >seats, 401 V8, QuadraTrac, Auto, green paint, for the first $2500. Car is >here in Kalispell,MT. If I had the dough, it would already be mine, but like >I said, I live here in Dire Poverty, MT. > >kim >'80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: fatmac99-at-mindspring.com > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > Sent: Friday, 25 February, 2000 15:56 > Subject: fsj: V6 > > > Hi all. > > I've been debating whether or not to buy a small Cherokee as a driver, so >as > to get decent gas mileage and still be able to haul a little bit. My >search > for a 70s vintage Wagoneer continues. > > My question is what is wrong with the 2.8 litre V6? A friend of mine had >an > 85 with that and a 5speed. It had 150,000+ last I knew, and going strong. > I used to have an S-10, same setup, and it was purring like a kitten when >I > sold it at 145,000. Very satisfied, even knowing that Chevy isn't the >best > V6 maker. What was different about the Jeep version that nobody likes? > > As always, thanks for your abundant knowledge. > > Mike > Someday Jeep owner > > > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #748 *************************