From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Mar 1 22:30:01 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, March 1 2000 Volume 01 : Number 754 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: carb help... again... fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list fsj: There's a sweet '90 GW on eBay fsj: Okay, here's one more... Re: fsj: NAPA and Valves Re: fsj: NAPA and Valves Re: fsj: NAPA and Valves fsj: Re: xj: FSJ FAQ ? fsj: Rochester 2GC fsj: FAQ's on xj and SJs fsj: this is a problem? fsj: Non-FSJ for sale in PA (not mine) fsj: AW4 info fsj: emissions test fsj: Tranny fixed fsj: One of our proposed destinations in news FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:02:46 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: carb help... again... A: The 390 would be okay, but the Clifford manifold was built for RPM, not torque! I've got a computer and harness, and the carb will be off soon (intake is already available) You will need a LONGER front driveshaft, and I may already have a shorter one that will work for the rear (what's the wheelbase difference again?) John wrote: Which carb? The Holley 390cfm? I recall you mentioning the Offy manifold, but it costs $250+. =A0 Do you think the 390cfm carb will be worth the hassle/expense on the clifford or should I migrate back to a stock setup without the computer? I don't want to spend a lot, because it would make more sense to buy an NP242 and drop the fuel injected 4.0L in. :) BTW, I bought a pair of driveshafts for a short wheelbase J10 that had an NP229... so I've got a spare set of shafts to work with in modifying to mate up a different tranny! It'll be nice to have all the original stuff intact when I make the change over. :) john At 10:26 PM 2/29/00 -0700, Kim Smith wrote: As I said before, I can speak with some knowledge about that carb on the Offy Two Port. That set up should give you what you want. I expect it will improve your efficiency on Clifford, since you will be cutting down your venturi area by over 50% when on the primaries, and by 22% total. That 500cfm Holley is renown as a gas hog. Its best use is for class racing where you are limited to a 2v carb. When you run the numbers, even our V8's almost never pull enough rpm to justify the cfm's of carb we run on them. My experience is that the major errors made in building 4X4, towing, and real-world street engines are: 1. Too much cam, resulting in low vacuum, poor low rpm torque, therefore lousy economy and poor performance. 2. Too much carb, all the above plus bogging off idle, black smoke from the exhaust pipe, and making OPEC wealthy. 3. Too much exhaust. Novak has built or been involved in building more 4X4 conversions as anyone, and their catalog says =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0it best: there's no need for headers until you get over 4500rpm. kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 - -------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 02:15:00 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 07:25:56 -0800 From: Clark Novak Subject: fsj: There's a sweet '90 GW on eBay It's in Texas. Rear window keyswitch is busted, but the interior looks perfect. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=267961472 Clark Novak 87 GW ("The Judge") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 07:45:02 -0800 From: Clark Novak Subject: fsj: Okay, here's one more... This is a nice one. An 86 Grand in Philly with the red leather interior and sunroof... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271795960 Clark Novak 87 Grand Wag ("The Judge") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 100 09:01:37 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: NAPA and Valves Hey, I just went to napa and did the same thing! But it only cost me $3.99. Wonder whey the big diff in price? - -brad Landon writes: > thanks for the advice, John. I went to NAPA and said 'needle adapter > for grease gun' and the guy said, 'OK, here, but it's $5.40' A quality > item, I'm not complaining. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:42:19 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: NAPA and Valves Most of the NAPAs are individually owned. I can buy stuff as a jobber cheaper than my local NAPA can. e.g. radiators... I bought one for $20 less than they could... I went in armed with the JEEP part number and a cross referenced part number and got the same dumb stares... when I explained what I was trying to do they said, "oh, you mean the little needle adapter for a grease gun". :) ok. it also does my double cardan fittings, my OME spring pads and so on... ;) john At 09:01 AM 3/1/00 -0800, Brad Seevers wrote: > >Hey, I just went to napa and did the same thing! But it only cost me $3.99. >Wonder whey the big diff in price? > >-brad > >Landon writes: > >> thanks for the advice, John. I went to NAPA and said 'needle adapter >> for grease gun' and the guy said, 'OK, here, but it's $5.40' A quality >> item, I'm not complaining. > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 100 09:57:48 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: NAPA and Valves Yip, I bought my adaptor to grease my double cardan joints after just spending $200 to have a driveline rebuilt by six-states because I didn't grease that sucker! When you guys are out shopping for you needle adapter, keep in mind there are two different types. One like like a regular needle and is usefull for squirting grease in small areas like filling up a caged bearing before installing it. The other is a small steel tube that goes down to a point and is usefull for such things as double cardan joints and some springs (like john's OME). Lots of auto parts places just have these adapters just hanging on the shelves in the grease gun section. - -brad John writes: > Most of the NAPAs are individually owned. I can buy stuff as a jobber > cheaper than my local NAPA can. e.g. radiators... I bought one for > $20 less than they could... > > I went in armed with the JEEP part number and a cross referenced part number > and got the same dumb stares... when I explained what I was trying to do > they said, "oh, you mean the little needle adapter for a grease gun". :) > > ok. > > it also does my double cardan fittings, my OME spring pads and so on... ;) > > john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 10:43:00 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: xj: FSJ FAQ ? A: Check out http://www.wagoneers.com (John's site) and http://www.onelist.com/community/1FSJ and there is one on ORC that is informative, even if it's run by jerks. Why would you avoid the 6 cyl model? If all you want is power, and can afford a gas station, that's fine, but a stroker will keep up to a 360 any day in one of these. (Just check out Elmo! I out pulled a 401 QT that had no low range and 3.07, but I was in 4 low (3:1) with 2.72 rear and 28.8" tires with a 4.2 (possibly it may be a 4.5 already. I'll take the motor apart soon and find out for sure. It's 4.2L stroke, but the block # says 4.0L and it has a HO cam in it) Just make sure there are no rust holes in the frame ahead of the driver's side rear tire, behind the gastank! I saw only a dozen or so SJs in Reno just before Christmas when I was there (one was postal or fire dept, or maybe both!) Karl Olsen wrote: Is there a FAQ someone can direct me to regarding the SJs ? I've been thinking about picking up a Wagoneer... according to the 2 Jeep "buyer's guide" books I have, it looks like the 1987 and newer model years are the best choice. (Avoid the Quadratrac t-case, get for a 360 over a 258/232, and of course the newer it is, the less rusty it is.) BTW, John - if you're wondering where all the clean SJs are, they're in Reno, Nevada. I have never seen such a high concentration of them anywhere else. - - -Karl mailto:olsen_k-at-msn.com - ------------------------------ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:19:14 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Rochester 2GC ok... what is a 2GC? What years/models? Is this a Fitz item or some other local yard? Will it bolt right up to the Clifford? thanx, john >Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:19:47 -0800 (PST) >From: "Paul W." >Subject: Re: xj: carb help... again... > >A carb that works well on the 258 and happens to also be an excellent off-road >carb is a Rochester 2GC from a Chevy I6, old Buick/Jeep V6 or Chevy 283 V8. >(some of the bigger small block Chevies also used a 2GC, but it is a bigger >version that will be too much for a stock 258). Often times you can find these >babies real cheap - or even free! I had a guy give me one from a 283 because >he was going to a 4bbl and just wanted the thing out of his shop. > >Paul > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:23:37 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: FAQ's on xj and SJs >Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:40:10 -0800 >From: "Karl Olsen" > >Subject: xj: FSJ FAQ ? >Is there a FAQ someone can direct me to regarding the SJs ? http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/ see the tech directory and other files http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/ see the tech, digest directories and other files http://wagoneers.com/XJ/ ditto http://www.wagoneers.com/john/JEEP lots of stuff here too... You're right Karl, lots of nice FSJ's floating around Reno. When I went to Reno last spring Michael Baxter and I saw lots of 'em... shoot, almost as many as we have up here in the Pacific Northwest... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 11:34:02 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: this is a problem? Why do they consider more cars passing the new emissions test a problem???? http://netscape.digitalcity.com/phoenix/news/article.dci?article=417522 john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:22:58 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Non-FSJ for sale in PA (not mine) A: The Gremlin is below (makes a good spare, and uses less gas than an FSJ, and darn near fits in the back!), and I thought I'd mention I just got a '63 Rambler convertible! WOOHOO! 3rd Rock, here I come! From: Don Bastard Subject: GREMLIN FOR SALE =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Hey, all. I posted my Gremlin on here a couple weeks ago, but I'm sorta desperate now. I am losing storage for it, and I need to sell it quick. Once again, here's the details: =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A071 Gremlin, red with black interior, 232 6 cylinder, 3 speed manual on the floor, new alternator and some other stuff, runs excellent. Rear main seal has small leak, but I drive it every day and it still runs great. =A0 =A0 Front seat is ripped, speedometer cable is broken. Minor dings here and there (e-mail me for pictures) but it's still a nice looking, presentable car. Other than that, it's really cool. It passed inspection in November (PA inspections are tough, too) and it is great for a commuter car, or to fix up and restore, or to hot rod! =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0It's located in Wilkes-Barre, PA, but I work in northern NJ, so it can be picked up from there, too. I was asking $1600, but I'm VERY negotiable. My back is up against a wall, and I need to sell this as soon as possible. Thanks! - -- Don Bastard Evil Master of All That Is Dark, Gloomy, Painful, and/or Slightly Irritating ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:25:00 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: AW4 info I went through a bunch of calls, etc, and apparently the AW4 is 23 spline from '91 to '95, and probably newer than that is 23 spline too (Book shows '91-'95 interchange) I'll find one and measure it today for length and trans mounts for those interested. Now I have to go tow my '63 Rambler Ragtop home! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:31:51 -0600 From: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com Subject: fsj: emissions test john wrote: >Why do they consider more cars passing the new emissions test a problem???? http://netscape.digitalcity.com/phoenix/news/article.dci?article=417522 > Well, the legislatures probably promised the environmentalists that the new tests would help prevent more pollution. (acquires environmentalists' votes) But, if new laws start failing a lot of vehicles then non-environmentalists get angry. (lose non-environmentalists votes) So the best of both worlds, and a classic politician's trick, is to pass a useless law that sounds good on the surface but accomplishes absolutely nothing. It isn't good for them though when data surfaces showing how useless the law is. Also, did you notice the last part of that article? "The DEQ dropped the first 93 seconds from the old test, saying that the early part of the test created too many false failures. " It doesn't sound like they fixed the test to eliminate "false failures," but just eliminated it. Of course this assumes that the testing facility is (or could) qualify for ISO 9000 Series qualification. (ie you don't have Joe Bob doing the testing one way and Billy Bob performing the tests slightly different) Later, Jamie "I hate career politicians" Phillips ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 20:55:46 From: Saltsgavers Subject: fsj: Tranny fixed Hi ho all, Just checking in to let you all know that my suspicion was correct on the failure of my 727 tranny. I found a chunk of dirt (clutch material?) about the size of a sesame seed stuck in the governor weight. Buttoned it all up Friday night & it runs like a charm. I built a another fixture for removing the xfer case that worked well. I took 3 pieces of wood, about 5 inches in width, taking 2 of them & tracing the outline of the countour of the bottom of the case. I fastened them to the 3rd piece & then attached it to the floor jack. Worked like a charm. I had built one to fit a quadratrac some years ago & now will always be ready to tackle a 208 case. Mike S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 21:51:52 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: One of our proposed destinations in news OrigamiTB-at-aol.com writes: >> Isn't that where they have their "Burning Man" whoop-dee-doo every yea= r? << Yes it is. I have friends who have gone there. I listened to their storie= s and while I think it would be an interesting "cultural" experience to attend, I don't think I'll go out of my way to get there. >> I've been up to Red Rock Canyon, about ten miles west of Las Vegas, many times. It's a National Conservation Area, and there's plenty of publ= ic access; roads run through it from one end to the other. In the Wilderness= Areas, though, I think they don't want any roads. << The Bill that NV Senator Richard Bryan has drafted has some language in it that would allow public access to be blocked if someone in the Government decides so. That's the part which makes me nervous. I don't think it'll fly here but, then Bryan is not running for reelection. Last = I saw the pole at about 9:30 Monday night it was 64% against with 1600 or s= o respondents. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 01-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #754 *************************