From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 7 22:03:42 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, March 8 2000 Volume 01 : Number 763 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: jeep:factory sunroof or not fsj: RE: Re: jeep:factory sunroof or not Re: [fsj: Re: Some Wagoneer questions] Re: fsj: interior parts fsj: H-4 bulb discussion... fsj: John's affliction Re: fsj: John's affliction fsj: what to do... imminent rear-end collision Re: fsj: interior parts Re: fsj: John's affliction fsj: Re: update, on I got a problem with my J-10 fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #762 fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #762 Re: fsj: 0.045 vs 0.035 Re: fsj: John's affliction Re: fsj: Re: update, on I got a problem with my J-10 fsj: Re: fsj magazine fsj: Re: fsj atrocities fsj: Re: the V8 experience Re: fsj: John's affliction Re: fsj: John's affliction fsj: ok, it's fixed... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 13:30:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: jeep:factory sunroof or not On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 Keltics1st-at-aol.com wrote: >-->Iown a 1988 grand wagoneer and it has a sunroof. I am wondering how i can >-->tell if it's factory or after market? most likely it is a factory install if it is power. If it's a flip up style, or a hand crank, it's aftermarket. I think on the 88's they may have had a flip up, and power back mode... not sure... later models did... very nice. john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:09:15 -0600 From: "Bob Bradfield" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: jeep:factory sunroof or not Took me a while to find a guy that had parts for the sunroof in my 83 Wag Ltd. Looked factory to me but, it was AM. Mine is an ASC 42 Modular. The guy to call is Jake Kelley -at- Kelley's Custom Auto Trim. He bought out the ASC (American Sunroof Co) parts inventory. Also, go to www.sunroofdoctor.com These are the guys that figured out what roof I have. Adios. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > john > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 3:30 PM > To: Keltics1st-at-aol.com > Cc: full size jeep list > Subject: fsj: Re: jeep:factory sunroof or not > > > On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 Keltics1st-at-aol.com wrote: > > >-->Iown a 1988 grand wagoneer and it has a sunroof. I am > wondering how i can > >-->tell if it's factory or after market? > > most likely it is a factory install if it is power. If it's a > flip up style, > or a hand crank, it's aftermarket. > > I think on the 88's they may have had a flip up, and power back > mode... not > sure... later models did... very nice. > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com > don't leave life without Jesus, please... > Snohomish, Washington USA > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 00 15:23:23 MST From: Michael Shimniok Subject: Re: [fsj: Re: Some Wagoneer questions] john wrote: > >-->1. What is your opinion/experience with manual hubs for this type i= s > >-->vehicle. I have selectrac. > = > If you don't have the vacuum motor on the front axle, it might help > reduce wear and tear, which is minimal anyway. To add, you may see a slight increase in gas mileage and power. I know s= ome have reported 1mpg but I wouldn't think the power required to spin a free= wheeling diff would be very high. Also of note, if you do lose the front or rear diffs or driveshafts, you = can make it home, just very slowly--in 4lo which is locked. Like John said, = it doesn't have a 4hi lock. :( The NP208 would, but then you can't drive it= in 4hi on half-wet/half-dry pavement as with the NP229, QT, etc. I run an NP228 in my 86 which is an NP229 without the viscous coupler (wh= ich after years, will wear down). So far I've left the stock fixed hubs (min= e doesn't have the vacuum axle decoupler which is bad juju for off-road dri= ving) and I figure, for now at least, that I have enough real problems to fix o= n my truck without fixing something that isn't broken. :) > >-->2. Have you found a good solution to being able to carry more gas? > >-->(larger or additional tanks) > = > AeroTanks has a replacment tank that holds 42 gallons or so, also you > can get a tank that fits where the spare used to live. I put a Valley spare tire/jerry can carrier on mine, but I hear those are= getting really hard to find now. The Aero tanks are expensive but I don'= t think you can beat 'em for capacity. You can fit a 25gal Isuzu Trooper t= ank in the spare tire area I hear. > Congrats on your 87 GW. I like any GW that's newer than 86. :) = > Integrated heater controls and headrests. In 88 the wiring seemed to > improve some... I noticed on an 89 the power door lock and power window mechanisms look re-engineered. Anyone know about this? I know that both are a major wea= k spot on the older GWs and Wag Ltds. The cool, optional rear window wiper= on the 89+ models is a definite plus over my 86 --until I get a late model w= iper adapted to it... someday... :) Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:46:46 EST From: RKH911-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: interior parts Im going to be replacing the carpeting soon and wondered what you all thought of this idea....I want to use some type of "rubberized paint" to seal all the leaky spots that must be under there...waste of time, other suggestions. Also need to replace my U Joints soon - Is this a hard project or should I pay the 250 they want here in town? Rob Harrison 85 Grand Wagoneer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 15:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: H-4 bulb discussion... I'm late to respond. I'm running two different sets of the IPF bulbs, the marine blue in the little wagoneer, nice white crisp light, but not a lot of intensity. What is cool is when you turn off the lights they glow blue for about 10 minutes. Paul's kid really got a kick out of 'em Sunday night... The other set I'm running are the H4-83T, Super Jey Beam bulbs. They are rated at 12V 60/55W but produce 110/90 Watts of equivalent light. They do not require an upgrade to the wiring harness and provide an incredible amount of light over standard halogen lamp. Very, very nice... I recommend them highly. I'm gonna be installing the IPF headlight harness and playing around with brighter bulbs... will be writing it up... Parts due in in April. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:47:39 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: John's affliction In a message dated 3/7/2000 1:11:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:53:07 -0800 (PST) > From: john (snip) > My first FSJ was a 67 Wagoneer. (snip) > I believe it was 1989 when I got it. (snip) > I've had 5 xj's and 11 FSJ's. Are you admitting that you've had 11 FSJ's since 1989? No wonder you can't get anything done. You spend all your time waiting in line at the DMV. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:24:20 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: John's affliction At 06:47 PM 3/7/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >(snip) >> I've had 5 xj's and 11 FSJ's. > >Are you admitting that you've had 11 FSJ's since 1989? No wonder you can't >get anything done. You spend all your time waiting in line at the DMV. >>Ben :) check it out: http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:36:50 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: what to do... imminent rear-end collision I was sitting in traffic the other day at a light that is on a road with a 60mph speed limit... thinking about "what if someone was asleep at the switch and couldn't stop in time"... so I asked a chiropractor friend what the best thing to do if you know you're gonna get rear ended and have no place to go... (I've had whiplash before and it is NOT fun. I'm thankful for chiropractic care combined with massage therapy because it relieved the pain within a reasonable time... sure beat wearing a silly cervical collar too.) Anyway, here's what he said: answer:b (slouch down in your seat so your head is pressed against the back of the seat...) - ----- Original Message ----- > What is the best position to assume if you have > time to react to a rear end collision? > >a.) laying across the seat sideways? >b.) slouching down so your head is pressed against the back of the seat? >c.) laying across the steering wheel? john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:22:39 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: interior parts the u-joints in the double cardan probably inspired that math guy in eastern europe to come up with the rubik's cube... ;) in other words, I'd try it yourself to save $250... you can always carry the pieces in to a shop and have them finish it... ;) You'll need a couple of c-clamps and plenty of patience... it's doable though... Try it... john At 06:46 PM 3/7/00 EST, RKH911-at-aol.com wrote: >Im going to be replacing the carpeting soon and wondered what you all thought >of this idea....I want to use some type of "rubberized paint" to seal all the >leaky spots that must be under there...waste of time, other suggestions. >Also need to replace my U Joints soon - Is this a hard project or should I >pay the 250 they want here in town? > >Rob Harrison >85 Grand Wagoneer > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 20:57:11 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: John's affliction In a message dated 3/7/2000 5:24:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > At 06:47 PM 3/7/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: > >(snip) > >> I've had 5 xj's and 11 FSJ's. > > > >Are you admitting that you've had 11 FSJ's since 1989? No wonder you can't > > >get anything done. You spend all your time waiting in line at the DMV. > >>Ben > > :) check it out: > http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html John, that's frightening! Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 12:49:45 -0600 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: Re: update, on I got a problem with my J-10 Hi, RJ. Sorry to hear about your luck. A couple of thoughts, not in any particular order, not meaning to insult your intelligence: If you can rotate the distributor by hand, it needs to be retimed. Pull #1 plug. rotate engine by hand 'til you feel compression on number one(you won't be able to keep your finger over the spark plug hole), put the flywheel timing mark at TDC. Replace spark plug, align distributor so rotor is pointing at terminal for #1 spark plug wire. Clamp down distributor, replace cap, attempt to start. If starts, set timing with timing light. Spark plugs can get coated with gasoline and not fire, especially after lots of cranking. Remove, clean, and dry them. Check w/ the engine rebuilders to find out if they put a new timing chain on at rebuild time. Sounds like you have good plug wires, but removing and installing them can break the continuity. You may want to check this with an ohmmeter. Start with the coil wire, as this feeds everything else. Make sure you are getting voltage to the coil. Might recheck the spark plug wire routing to make sure they didn't get confused. Plenty of fuel in the tank ? Follow fuel lines from tank to carb and make sure none of them are kinked. Replace the fuel filter. Look down the carburetor throats, and have someone slowly floor it, if you don't see streams of fuel, you aren't getting any. Add a teaspoonful or two by hand, take your head away, and crank - may get better fire. Check for big vacuum hoses disconnected - like PCV valve, brake booster... Lastly, since engine is now quite cold, make sure your choke flap is closed when attempting to start. Mine absolutely refuses. I've spent money and and/or time on all of the above. Hope this saves you some of either. - - Landon '89 GW ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 19:50:26 -0800 From: Clark Novak Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #762 You mean, as opposed to having to lay down under the exhaust with a wobble extension and a u-joint to torque in the #8 plug? What's not to like ;) Clark Novak 87 GW > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:56:03 -0800 (PST) > From: john > Subject: Re: fsj: 0.045 vs 0.035 > > I love my 6 cylinder... I can actually get to ALL the plugs, and > standing in one place. ;) =20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 19:59:42 -0800 From: Clark Novak Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #762 Couldn't be any worse than mine when I got it... The guy before me believed that JB Weld was the fix for everything from shock mounts to doorframe weld cracks to water leaks to broken vacuum tees (!) And I won't even talk about the baling wire holding the steering dampener in place... Or the masking tape holding the leads to the defogger grid onto the glass... or the heater head vacuum lines routed past the crumbling vacuum reservoir directly to manifold vacuum... or the 1/4" wingnuts holding the front fender braces to the grille apron... or... Clark Novak 87 GW > Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:53:07 -0800 (PST) > From: john > Subject: Re: fsj: 0.045 vs 0.035 > My first FSJ was a 67 Wagoneer. I traded a Pinto for it. The owner > of the WAgoneer was NOT very mechanical at all... oh the stories I > could tell... :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 19:47:45 -0800 From: Clark Novak Subject: Re: fsj: 0.045 vs 0.035 Have you changed over to the Ford distributor cap setup? I did that on The Judge and it worked out my little stumbles... turns out the OEM AMC-style cap isn't vented, and it can build up ozone and mess up the spark. Changed to the Ford-style vented cap and it went away. Clark Novak 87 GW > Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2000 16:28:08 -0800 > From: john > Subject: fsj: 0.045 vs 0.035 > > Ok... Superdawg kinda stumbled a bit this morning... sort of a miss, > but not all the time. Isn't pinging. The plugs looked really good > yesterday... but I think going to .045 was more than I should have gone. > > I guess I could pull the plugs again and regap to .040. > > Does this sound reasonable? > I've got Jacobs wires, Autolite plugs and a Jacobs Ultra Coil, with > the standard electronic ignition setup. Timing set by jimmy b. ;) > > john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 20:58:38 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: John's affliction At 08:57 PM 3/7/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >> >Are you admitting that you've had 11 FSJ's since 1989? No wonder you >can't >> >> >get anything done. You spend all your time waiting in line at the DMV. >> >>Ben >> >> :) check it out: >> http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > >John, that's frightening! >>Ben Uh, I forgot one XJ... I'll update the file in a little bit... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:03:56 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: update, on I got a problem with my J-10 pretty sure that the builder used a new timing chain... RJ's got all the receipts... or any of the receipts that I got from the PO. He did a good job on it, and it has more than 15,000 miles on it. I'm pretty sure it already had 15k on it when I got, then I drove it from the Bay area to Seattle... then RJ drove it from here to there and then to LA, as in Lower Alabama... oh, wait, he's in upper alabama... So it's not a break in issue at all... The problem occurred after RJ did a tune-up, which leads us to believe it's related to that... john At 12:49 PM 3/6/00 -0600, Landon Tesar wrote: >Hi, RJ. > >Sorry to hear about your luck. A couple of thoughts, not in any particular order, >not meaning to insult your intelligence: > >If you can rotate the distributor by hand, it needs to be retimed. Pull #1 plug. >rotate engine by hand 'til you feel compression on number one(you won't be able to >keep your finger over the spark plug hole), put the flywheel timing mark at TDC. >Replace spark plug, align distributor so rotor is pointing at terminal for #1 spark >plug wire. Clamp down distributor, replace cap, attempt to start. If starts, set >timing with timing light. > >Spark plugs can get coated with gasoline and not fire, especially after lots of >cranking. Remove, clean, and dry them. > >Check w/ the engine rebuilders to find out if they put a new timing chain on at >rebuild time. > >Sounds like you have good plug wires, but removing and installing them can break the >continuity. You may want to check this with an ohmmeter. Start with the coil wire, >as this feeds everything else. Make sure you are getting voltage to the coil. >Might recheck the spark plug wire routing to make sure they didn't get confused. > >Plenty of fuel in the tank ? Follow fuel lines from tank to carb and make sure none >of them are kinked. > >Replace the fuel filter. > >Look down the carburetor throats, and have someone slowly floor it, if you don't see >streams of fuel, you aren't getting any. Add a teaspoonful or two by hand, take >your head away, and crank - may get better fire. > >Check for big vacuum hoses disconnected - like PCV valve, brake booster... > >Lastly, since engine is now quite cold, make sure your choke flap is closed when >attempting to start. Mine absolutely refuses. > >I've spent money and and/or time on all of the above. Hope this saves you some of >either. > >- Landon >'89 GW > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:13:09 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: fsj magazine At 08:04 PM 3/7/00 -0800, Clark Novak wrote: >What's this, John? Is there finally a magazine for us sickos? yep, got the first issue today... not bad... I like the cover... will read it cover to cover later tonight. :) john > >Clark > >> I'm going to try and get an article written by April 1st for the next >issue of FSJ on >> wiring... Man is it the 7th already??? >> > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:40:24 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: fsj atrocities at least he used metal items... and left stock parts in place... the PO of the 67 WAgoneer yarded out the window mechanism and cut a 2x4 to hold the rear window in place... john At 07:59 PM 3/7/00 -0800, Clark Novak wrote: >Couldn't be any worse than mine when I got it... The guy before me believed >that JB Weld was the fix for everything from shock mounts to doorframe weld >cracks to water leaks to broken vacuum tees (!) And I won't even talk about >the baling wire holding the steering dampener in place... Or the masking >tape holding the leads to the defogger grid onto the glass... or the heater >head vacuum lines routed past the crumbling vacuum reservoir directly to >manifold vacuum... or the 1/4" wingnuts holding the front fender braces to >the grille apron... or... > >Clark Novak >87 GW > >> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:53:07 -0800 (PST) >> From: john >> Subject: Re: fsj: 0.045 vs 0.035 > >> My first FSJ was a 67 Wagoneer. I traded a Pinto for it. The owner >> of the WAgoneer was NOT very mechanical at all... oh the stories I >> could tell... :) > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:41:30 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: the V8 experience At 07:50 PM 3/7/00 -0800, Clark Novak wrote: >You mean, as opposed to having to lay down under the exhaust with a wobble >extension and a u-joint to torque in the #8 plug? What's not to like ;) yeah, that's the maneuver... also explains why most FSJ's have one plug that is still stock after 25 years too... ;) john > >Clark Novak >87 GW > >> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2000 19:56:03 -0800 (PST) >> From: john >> Subject: Re: fsj: 0.045 vs 0.035 >> >> I love my 6 cylinder... I can actually get to ALL the plugs, and >> standing in one place. ;) =20 > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 00:51:19 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: John's affliction In a message dated 3/7/2000 9:00:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > Uh, I forgot one XJ... I'll update the file in a little bit... ;) Hurry... before someone notices. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:55:36 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: John's affliction rofl... fwiw, it's identical to the little wagoneer, only grey... and it'd gone... ;) john At 12:51 AM 3/8/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/7/2000 9:00:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, >john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > >> Uh, I forgot one XJ... I'll update the file in a little bit... ;) > >Hurry... before someone notices. > >Ben > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 22:04:20 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: ok, it's fixed... http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html :) john ==================================================================== If it exhibits ambulatory and auditory characteristics consistent with current data on a small waterfowl with flat bill, short neck and webbed feet, it would be illogical to assume that it is anything other than a duck. However, in this era of post-modern license with basic linguistic commodities, our view is only relative and if we say we know the truth, we will be labeled a hateful, narrow-minded, intolerant bigot. 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