From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Mar 15 13:43:47 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, March 15 2000 Volume 01 : Number 776 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: seems like the list need to be cheered up Re: fsj: Rims RE: fsj: Rims fsj: Re: swap meet parts fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Re: fsj: Rims fsj: ElCaWaggy fsj: A new 360 long block for sale on ebay! fsj: Re: Rims fsj: 71 Chero for sale on ebay fsj: donut gasket on 89 360 fsj: RE: donut gasket on 89 360 Re: fsj: donut gasket on 89 360 fsj: Fwd: The good guys win one! fsj: RE: ElCaWaggy fsj: donut gasket on 89 360 Re: fsj: 71 Chero for sale on ebay Re: fsj: donut gasket on 89 360 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 18:50:40 PST From: "michel balea" Subject: fsj: seems like the list need to be cheered up Well after installing the magnecor spark plug wires and getting another 2 mpg.... i did one more thing -no: not the dodge coil yet, sorry James- Got rid of the points and installed the pertronix module.... The wires make the jeep feel the engine rejuvenated 100 Kmiles... and the pertronix did another 100 Kmiles less... It is so quiet that i can hear the PS pump getting noisy, the antenna does not shake at idle. Of course more power Hope now that Murphy is not listening.... Michel 74 wag with 59 Kmiles ;-) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:10:13 EST From: HH4PIZZA-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Rims I know from experience that the chevy rims will most likely fit, I had a set from an older model Chevy truck on my Wagoneer, I'm not sure what year they were off of, but they fit on a friends chevy K-5. I won't guarantee they will fit, but there is a pretty good chance. Try getting some measurements from someone, go to an auto parts store and wait for someone with a chevy to drive up.(I've done this before with other things). Measure accross the lugs and see if they match. Later, Dustin Crawley 88 Grand Wagoneer locked and lifted ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:01:52 -0700 From: "JC Jones" Subject: RE: fsj: Rims If they are 6 lug wheels, the lug measurements will be fine. What can get you is the center hole diameter. JC Jones :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of HH4PIZZA-at-aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2000 10:10 PM To: fatmac99-at-mindspring.com; fsj-digest-at-digest.net Subject: Re: fsj: Rims I know from experience that the chevy rims will most likely fit, I had a set from an older model Chevy truck on my Wagoneer, I'm not sure what year they were off of, but they fit on a friends chevy K-5. I won't guarantee they will fit, but there is a pretty good chance. Try getting some measurements from someone, go to an auto parts store and wait for someone with a chevy to drive up.(I've done this before with other things). Measure accross the lugs and see if they match. Later, Dustin Crawley 88 Grand Wagoneer locked and lifted ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:05:41 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: swap meet parts Hey, if anyone knows who had the NP242 for sale for $200 at last weeks 4x4 Swap Meet in Puyallup,WA please get in touch with me... I was rushed and missed it... :( I hear there is another auto parts swap meet in Puyallup this weekend. john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:15:00 -0500 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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Additionally, the "rejectlog" entries for the previous day's mail traffic on digest.net are now visible at http://www.digest.net/rejectlog.01 Finally, some of you may find it useful or instructive to use the telnet program to connect directly to port 25 on krusty-motorsports.com and see what kind of reply you get; this requires some technical knowledge and is not for everyone (you can get out of this at anytime after the initial banner simply by typing quit and hitting enter.) 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 00:13:16 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Rims A: In 1988, Chev changed the 4x4 rims offset (I got 2 for free, and found they hit my tierods :^( but the 2WD rims are same still. Even Nissan and Toyota 6 bolt rims often fit on (just watch center holes) Chev also went to a 16" 6 hole rim in '88 (which I got a set of for Elmo) and 16" tires are pretty easy to pic from with the help of either John's calculator (wagoneers.com) or http://4lo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:44:48 -0800 From: Clark Novak Subject: fsj: ElCaWaggy Okay, you have to see these pictures... this guy's got an ElCamino that he mated to the chassis of a 78 Wag. Check the pics! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=283999565 Clark Novak 87 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:31:23 -0800 From: Clark Novak Subject: fsj: A new 360 long block for sale on ebay! Check this out... this guy's selling a new rebuilt 360, in the crate. Here's the text: AMC 360 engine. New, never installed! From Jasper Remanufactured Engine Company. Towing cam option. It is a longblock (includes heads and oil pan). I bought it for my '85 Jeep Grand Wagoneer project that I am now selling for parts. The engine has been fully covered, sitting on the engine stand in my garage for three years. I have periodically oiled the pistons and turned it over by hand. A complete brand new FelPro gasket kit, used valve covers, used exhaust manifolds, and used dipstick are included. I Paid $2176 on 6-7-97. I will deliver within 2.5 hour's drive of Bridgeton, NJ 08302. Otherwise, buyer is responsible for shipping. Engine is already crated and ready to ship (no crating charge). Jasper Info: Stock # 260116 Production # 100165. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=279447237 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:20:27 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Rims > Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 19:22:19 -0500 > From: fatmac99-at-mindspring.com > > So after all this discussion about rims, lug patterns, axle openings, > Jeeps-Fords-Chevys interchanging--will the six-lug rim from a Wagoneer fit a > six-lug Chevy four wheel drive? You have no idea how hard it is to find a > six lug wheel for disc brakes on the south side of Atlanta. A 4x4 Chevy rim should be a bolt-on. In the past, the list has indicated that a Toyota 4x4 rim will work also. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:00:03 -0800 From: Clark Novak Subject: fsj: 71 Chero for sale on ebay At least, the guys says it's a Cherokee... looks more like a Wag to me, but Cheros aren't what I know best. Anyway, it's in Santa Barbara and is only 100 bucks! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=283508513 Clark Novak 87GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:57:40 -0500 From: "Chris J Lewis" Subject: fsj: donut gasket on 89 360 hello list, I am currently looking for a small but annoying exhaust leak on our wagoneer. one of the suspect areas is the donut gasket. so I went to napa at lunch today to get a couple. to my supprise they are made of metal. my question is, are they all made of metal? if so what are the chances of mine leaking? I don't want to pull this apart if I don't have to. although the other spot I will be looking at is the heat riser. the noise is a ticking sound only when your putting power to the motor. anybody got suggestions on where I might look? thanks allot! Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:20:40 -0500 From: "Bednarik, Nathan" Subject: fsj: RE: donut gasket on 89 360 My 360 has a slight leak in the same exact place. I still haven't fixed it after a couple months of that annoying ticking. I'm pretty sure they are all made of metal. I remember when installing it originally (resent rebuild) that I had a hard time lining the donut up perfectly with the heat riser. I believe the original gasket had a small lip that fit into the heat riser and kept it in place while tightening. The new one I bought did not. I'm almost positive that when I tightened mine down it moved just slightly causing the leak......Hopefully this helps a little. It's pretty easy to remove and that is most likely where the leak is. I'd also re-torque all the manifold nuts to be safe. Another recommendation would be to use copper gasket sealer along with the new donut when installing. Nate San Diego, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:23:00 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: donut gasket on 89 360 A: I thought by '84 the donuts were part of the manifold? It could be leaking along the head next to the manifold (lots of people mentioned this spot over the last few years. Even my flathead 6 {'63 Rambler, not Elmo!} leaks along there) Strecthed and cracked motor mounts are often the reason it flexs and breaks the bolts. I went to poly mounts because I kept breaking stock ones. (with a 5 ton trailer, and things like towing a '73 Ford 1 ton crewcab with camper home last night I wonder why?) Chris wrote: hello list, =A0 I am currently looking for a small but annoying exhaust leak on our wagoneer. one of the suspect areas is the donut gasket. so I went to napa at lunch today to get a couple. to my supprise they are made of metal. my question is, are they all made of metal? if so what are the chances of mine leaking? I don't want to pull this apart if I don't have to. although the other spot I will be looking at is the heat riser. the noise is a ticking sound only when your putting power to the motor. anybody got suggestions on where I might look? thanks allot! Chris ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:28:03 -0800 From: "Michael Shimniok" Subject: fsj: Fwd: The good guys win one! This is REALLY great news guys! We have UFWDA to thank. I had already signed up with individual membership, I recommend the same for anyone interested in continuing to off-road. Time to celebrate. We CAN make a difference. Also the call-in was a huge success with est. 1300 calls (1 every 30 secs) and enough emails to fill their system! Michael - ---- Begin forwarded message: For Immediate Release For Further Information Contact: Carla Boucher (757) 482-4474 UNITED FOUR WHEEL DRIVE ASSOCIATIONS FORCES U.S. FOREST SERVICE TO SETTLE OUT OF COURT United Four Wheel Drive Associations, the nation's leading representative of four wheel drive enthusiasts, has compelled the Federal Government to sign a settlement agreement prohibiting the US Forest Service from categorically closing roads or using the term "unroaded" in establishing roadless areas for Wilderness designation. "Under the terms of the settlement agreement the Forest Service is banned from using the Road Moratorium to close a single mile of road", stated Carla Boucher, author of the agreement and nationally recognized attorney for United. "United obtained evidence that many, if not all, of the national forests were using the Temporary Road Moratorium to create de facto wilderness areas as part of forest planning", stated Boucher, who predicted in early 1998 that this was the plan of the Forest Service all along. "This agreement prevents the creation of de facto wilderness, protecting nearly 347,000 miles of access for motorized recreationists", remarked Boucher. For more information about the settlement agreement contact United by calling Carla Boucher at 757-482-4474. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:35:46 -0700 From: "JC Jones" Subject: fsj: RE: ElCaWaggy Wow, that would be nice to get, ditch the el-camino body and put a Chevelle Convertible body up there with some 35" tires about 6" more lift and then you would really have something... JC Jones :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Clark Novak Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2000 8:45 AM To: fsj-digest Subject: fsj: ElCaWaggy Okay, you have to see these pictures... this guy's got an ElCamino that he mated to the chassis of a 78 Wag. Check the pics! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=283999565 Clark Novak 87 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:40:50 -0600 From: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com Subject: fsj: donut gasket on 89 360 Chris wrote: >hello list, I am currently looking for a small but annoying exhaust leak on >our wagoneer. one of the suspect areas is the donut gasket. so I went to napa at >lunch today to get a couple. to my supprise they are made of metal. my question >is, are they all made of metal? if so what are the chances of mine leaking? I >don't want to pull this apart if I don't have to. although the other spot I will >be looking at is the heat riser. the noise is a ticking sound only when your >putting power to the motor. anybody got suggestions on where I might look? I belive you are talking about the lead gasket in the shape of a donut. Anywhere I have seen this used, it was used in a section of the exhaust to allow a little bit of flex. I have seen them in the engine compartment and sometimes under the vehicle. Sometimes the flanges on either side of the gasket use just a couple of bolts. Other times it may be a combination shoulder bolt and spring to maintain tension on the "donut" but still allow it to flex. Since the exhaust pipe on either side does flex and the "donut" is made of soft lead (sometimes with a steel mesh inside), it will wear away over time and require replacement. I have also had problems with the flanges rusting away so that you couldn't clamp the exhaust pipe around the donut tightly. Thankfully, fixes are available for this problem. (Mine involved a catalytic converter that was in great shape except for the flange.) Hope this helps. Later Jamie Phillips '73 J4600 '77 F250 home email: jphil78888-at-aol.com work email: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify Underwriters Laboratories Inc. at e-mail_Disclaimer-at-us.ul.com. UL does not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments that arise as a result of e-mail transmission. ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:09:46 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: 71 Chero for sale on ebay A: That's definitely a Model 18 Cherokee, and it's nearly identical to Elmo! Even the dash is the same, which makes me wonder if it's actually a '74 -'78? Clark wrote: At least, the guys says it's a Cherokee... looks more like a Wag to me, but Cheros aren't what I know best. Anyway, it's in Santa Barbara and is only 100 bucks! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=283508513 Clark Novak 87GW ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 11:15:38 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: donut gasket on 89 360 It's more likely that your exhaust manifold gasket is leaking... That's where I've had trouble before. One thing I've learned with the 360 is to annually tighten all intake and exhaust bolts and replace ALL vacuum lines. IF your donut is really leaking, then check your transmission mount, it may be bad too... john At 12:57 PM 3/15/00 -0500, Chris J Lewis wrote: > > >hello list, I am currently looking for a small but annoying exhaust leak on >our wagoneer. one of the suspect areas is the donut gasket. so I went to napa at >lunch today to get a couple. to my supprise they are made of metal. my question >is, are they all made of metal? if so what are the chances of mine leaking? I >don't want to pull this apart if I don't have to. although the other spot I will >be looking at is the heat riser. the noise is a ticking sound only when your >putting power to the motor. anybody got suggestions on where I might look? > >thanks allot! > >Chris > > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #776 *************************