From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun Mar 19 15:45:37 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, March 19 2000 Volume 01 : Number 781 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Fun with Rez Re: fsj: '77 J10 Re: fsj: Re: exhaust noise fsj: Re:Exhaust manifolds wanted fsj: Re: fuel prices and ideas... fsj: Re: fuel prices and ideas... fsj: 360, Small block or Big? Re: fsj: 360, Small block or Big? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:24:35 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Fun with Rez In a message dated 3/18/2000 8:15:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, UrbFarmer writes: > Is the 360 considered a small block or a big block motor? Seems smaller and > seems to rev pretty high without problems. I've never heard those terms applied to the AMC v-8s, but that only means I don't know much about AMC motors. Jim Blair is the guy to ask. FWIW, I ran mine well over 3000 rpm for extended periods on a trip to CA - before I got my tach. Once you get used to the pitch of the motor, it's not so bad. Actually, I heard that I shouldn't tach that high from other list members whose opinion I respect. With a fairly freshly rebuilt motor, I'm not inclined to test the theory. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:27:33 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: '77 J10 On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 UrbFarmer-at-aol.com wrote: >-->I'm a little excited, it does have auto trans. So that would be a=20 >-->quadratrac? What transfer case did they come with? >-->--Vince A 77 J10 with an AT would be a QT. The AT was optional, but it came standard with the QT when it came. If it is a 401, then it came std with an AT / QT setup... so says the 77 Tech Svc manual... The only way you could get the Dana 20 was with a manual... john=20 >--> >-->In a message dated 3/12/00 3:27:45 PM Central Standard Time,=20 >-->Carnuck-at-webtv.net writes: >--> >-->> A: It could be a 401 or 360 and if it's auto, it's TH400 QT, or a 4sp= eed >-->> whatever xfer (D20?). >-->> =20 >-->> Vince wrote: >-->> I've got a line on a truck back home in Iowa. =A0 A slightly cancero= us >-->> box but good looking cab '77 J-10. Not sure what the drivetrain is. = It >-->> has a V-8 that looks like the 360 in my wagoneer. Owner says it has = a 4 >-->> barrel carb and manifold. I want it real bad.=20 >-->> Can anyone tell me what the tranny and transfer case options were in >-->> this vehicle?=20 >-->> This would be my 2nd FSJ if the deal goes through..... --Vince=20 >-->> '81 Wag >-->> '77 J-10 I hope=20 >-->> =20 >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com=20 don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA =20 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:33:11 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: exhaust noise On Sat, 18 Mar 2000, Clark Novak wrote: >-->Mine's a little different, then... I have a ticking that occurs at startup, >-->unevenly at first, but then with every exhaust stroke. It's pronounced when >-->cold, quiets down when warmer, is most audible when on the throttle and >-->disappears altogether when cruising or coasting. >--> >-->If it was a valve or lifter, it'd be happening all the time, not just under >-->throttle. So I have to believe it's an exhaust leak. definetly sounds like an exhaust leak... you can try tightenging the bolts, but you'll probably need a new exhaust gasket. john >--> >-->Clark Novak >-->87 GW >--> >-->----- Original Message ----- >-->From: "Landon Tesar" >-->Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 7:21 AM >-->Subject: Re: fsj-digest V1 #778 >--> >--> >-->> The symptom I'm having that I would much rather attribute to an exhaust >-->> leak than valve clearance is a high frequency ringing that starts at >-->> about 50 mph - 2000 rpm? and continues to increase in frequency until it >-->> becomes a mush at about 70 mph. It is more pronounced on the throttle >-->> than off. >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:45:30 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re:Exhaust manifolds wanted In a message dated 3/18/2000 10:23:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: > Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:37:26 -0800 (PST) > From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) > Subject: fsj: RE: Exhaust manifolds wanted > > A: Did you try header gaskets with firegum? That's what I use usually. Firegum? Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:54:32 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: fuel prices and ideas... At 04:44 PM 3/18/00 -0800, rick wrote: >Hi John & all, >Crescent City, CA: regular gas -at- $1.93, premium -at- $2.03. Diesel -at- >$1.79. >> My BMW 2002 gets better mileage then my 220D so it's a close call ... >the bimmer is more fun to drive :-). >>later,rick Soon as I get the stock carb / intake on Superdawg he'll do almost as well as Fritz did. Fritz was doing 22 to 26 mpg... Superdawg should be able to do 19/20 in town and theoretically 24 on the highway... my best so far is a pathetic 14mpg... The PO put a Clifford intake and a big gas-sucking Holley carb... the tail pipes are black... It does have plenty of git up and go though... The little wagoneer is getting around 17 to 18mpg... I've got the data, just haven't done the math recently... I called on a $200 80 Vw wabbit diesel... needs body work... My question will go something like this... will I get wet if I drive it in it's current condition? if it's no, the next question will be, check or cash? ;) My guess it's long gone. I called on an 85 Jetta for $1800 and it was history... I was trying to talk my wife into selling the little wagoneer for a nice 300SD. :) (the kids, both taller than me) didn't like the 300D because they didn't fit so well...) If I find a nice one I think I could make the case... The little wagoneer is getting tired... 199,290 miles on the original engine/trans/xfr case... I've lifted it, locked it, installed an Aussie Bull bar and so on... But I haven't wheeled it in over a year and we had one dusting of snow this year... There is no way I'm getting rid of my 83 J10 Stepside... I'll convert it to Fuel Injection or Diesel before I get rid of it... So, if I can find a nice clean 300SD Turbo Diesel for about what I can sell my little wagoneer for... ;) I've only got a 14 mile commute one way past the Dairy farms... my top speed is about 35mph... so either way, I'm not too concerned. Let's see, 2 gallons a day... ;0 john - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com 67 J3000 (SJ) / 88 wagoneer ltd (xj) / 83 J10 stepside (SJ) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:33:30 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: fuel prices and ideas... At 11:21 PM 3/18/00 -0600, Jon Filina wrote: >John was missing his klatta-klatta-klatta and wrote: >>Strike two on the Rabbit! If that's all the further you're driving, you'll >have an algae farm forming between your monthly fillups. ;-) rofl... (I'm already growing the algae on top of my Jeeps... ;) >Didn't you say you'd owned a diesel Rabbit in the past? If not, I can point >out several things to look for before you buy it. >Jon I've had four or five... ;) my last one was an 80 with an 82 motor and 5spd in it! AWESOME! It'd spin the tires and bury the needle and when I didn't do that stuff give me over 45mpg! When I quit working in Bellevue (about 20 miles away, but it takes over an hour to get there in the morning and an hour and a half to get back) and started working in Everett again I bought the little wagoneer. :) Ideally I'd like to get a newer Turbo Diesel... but I don't want to give up my Jeeps either... ;) With a Rabbit I could afford to keep the J10 though. The Benz wasn't economical to justify keeping it an insuring it too... Besides, Fritz didn't like sitting around. It's funny. The Mercedes wants to be driven or it'll act up. My Full Size Wagoneers had to sit or if you'd drive them they'd act up. My J10 is the most reliable FSJ I've ever owned... Can hardly wait to get the economy up to the theoretical stock rating. ;) You know, I'd love to have a new car sometime... the new beetle with a turbo Diesel would be pretty cool... of course anything with a Turbo Diesel would be cool. ;) If fuel prices keep going up and don't come back down I'll definetly think about getting another Diesel, whether it's another Benz or another VW I'm not sure... If I could find an VW with an Automatic so my wife and daughter could drive it, then that would be the way to go... I suppose if I put an Automatic in Superdawg I'd be able to sell the little wagoneer and not leave the wife stranded... But she hates my J10 and wouldn't think of driving it... she barely likes to ride in it... oh well... She's just fussy I guess, she didn't like driving Fritz either, and she's not happy about all the noises the little wagoneer is making these days... too bad I can't afford $43K for a nice used E300 TD... ;) later, john - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com 67 J3000 (SJ) / 88 wagoneer ltd (xj) / 83 J10 stepside (SJ) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 11:32:58 EST From: UrbFarmer-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: 360, Small block or Big? Well, what do you think Jim? Is there any comparison? - --Vince '81 Wag (Not a grand but just as dangerous, especially at high tach!) In a message dated 3/18/2000 8:15:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, UrbFarmer writes: > Is the 360 considered a small block or a big block motor? Seems smaller and > seems to rev pretty high without problems. I've never heard those terms applied to the AMC v-8s, but that only means I don't know much about AMC motors. Jim Blair is the guy to ask. FWIW, I ran mine well over 3000 rpm for extended periods on a trip to CA - before I got my tach. Once you get used to the pitch of the motor, it's not so bad. Actually, I heard that I shouldn't tach that high from other list members whose opinion I respect. With a fairly freshly rebuilt motor, I'm not inclined to test the theory. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:04:36 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: 360, Small block or Big? A: I got back from BC too late last night to join in (I've been gone since noon friday if anyone noticed?) The general consensus on the AMClist is that the AMC 360 is a small block (along with all their other V8s, including the 401) but it has more to do with angle of the V in V8 than bore size. IIRC 60 degrees as opposed to 90 or thereabouts) UrbFarmer wrote: Well, what do you think Jim? Is there any comparison? --Vince '81 Wag (Not a grand but just as dangerous, especially at high tach!) In a message dated 3/18/2000 8:15:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, UrbFarmer writes: Is the 360 considered a small block or a big block motor? Seems smaller and seems to rev pretty high without problems. I've never heard those terms applied to the AMC v-8s, but that only means I don't know much about AMC motors. Jim Blair is the guy to ask. FWIW, I ran mine well over 3000 rpm for extended periods on a trip to CA - - before I got my tach. Once you get used to the pitch of the motor, it's not so bad. Actually, I heard that I shouldn't tach that high from other list members whose opinion I respect. With a fairly freshly rebuilt motor, I'm not inclined to test the theory. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #781 *************************