From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Mar 22 22:22:54 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, March 23 2000 Volume 01 : Number 786 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: addressing RE: fsj: Re: addressing fsj: Re: wagoneer axles fsj: RE: Re: wagoneer axles RE: fsj: Re: addressing fsj: FSJ lists fsj: Fun with Rez fsj: J10 vs J20 fsj: Re: addressing fsj: RE: Re: addressing fsj: Re: "The Bear Paw Canoe Co." fsj: Re: addressing RE: fsj: Re: addressing fsj: Re: addressing Re: fsj: Re: addressing fsj: Re: addressing Re: fsj: RE: Re: addressing FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:28:26 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: addressing At 07:41 PM 3/22/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >What does "fully resolve" mean? "fully resolve" means to completely identify the full path name to an object. In the case of citing a URL (uniform resource locater) it means providing the protocol type so the email package may provide a "hot link" to that application, e.g. ftp://compuserve.com or http://www.wagoneers.com If I put www.wagoneers.com it's not hot clickable... and is not "fully resolved". The same thing happens in scripting and programming where someone will use a "relative" path name to a file instead of fully resolving that path. This is a major problem when you move a file and also creates a serious security hole. Microsoft applications are a prime example of poor application structure and resolution, primarily because they use drive designators instead of using a standard filesystem structure like UNIX does. In other words, if you don't resolve your filenames someone can fake the system out into reading a different file that might do bad things to your system. Don't get me started on shell scripts that use the c shell either... ;) >While John's whining I want to add my own high pitched squeal. Everyone >please try to remember to trim your quotes. amen. and remove all those >>>>> from forwarded messages too... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX ============================================================================== Microsoft Certified Professionals are to the computing industry what McDonald Certified Food Specialists are to gourmet restaurants. Michael Bacarella 3/15/2000 (as seen on http://www.slashdot.com ) ============================================================================ == ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:29:24 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: addressing At 06:50 PM 3/22/00 -0600, The Bear Paw Canoe Co. wrote: >> don't push me man... ;) I'll hold my breath too! >> >> >HEY!!!! your already supposed to be holding your breath for my anticipated >visit to your "hood" LOL >Doug hood? hey man, I live next to a farm... it ain't all paved over out here yet... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:22:24 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: wagoneer axles Olympic 4x4 in Snohomish, WA could help, but so could any salvage yard around... I'm cc'ing the FSJ list (see below) since there are some Texas types on the list that will know where you can find a local source... mailing a Dana 44 isn't a viable option. :) john At 06:16 PM 3/22/00 -0600, Ryan Ehinger "Ryan Ehinger" wrote: >>>> I found your email through an fsj website and thought that you might be able to help. I am looking for a dana 44 or model 20 rear with a centered differential (non quadratrac) and a front dana 44 with a driver side differential, open knuckle, not vacuum actuated (could be automatic or manual hubs, or whatever else there is). The axles need to be around 60" wide. I think that these requirements pertain to an early 80's wagoneer but i am not sure. Any help you can give me on wagoneer or grand wagoneer years that have this configuration would be great. Just so long as they arnt the wide track versions as the axles are too wide for my application. Thank you for your time. Ryan Ehinger Mechanical Engineering Texas A&M University <<<< ============================================================================ ========== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to any of the lists to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). Please do not send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text to the lists. 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I don't know about College Station but, Austin (tea-sip country) has Cantwell's, probably one of the best in Tx. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > john > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 7:22 PM > To: Ryan Ehinger > Cc: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: wagoneer axles > > > > Olympic 4x4 in Snohomish, WA could help, but so could any > salvage yard around... I'm cc'ing the FSJ list (see below) since > there are some Texas types on the list that will know where you > can find a local source... mailing a Dana 44 isn't a viable option. :) > > john > > At 06:16 PM 3/22/00 -0600, Ryan Ehinger "Ryan Ehinger" > wrote: > >>>> > I found your email through an fsj website and thought that you might be > able to help. I am looking for a dana 44 or model 20 rear with a centered > differential (non quadratrac) and a front dana 44 with a driver side > differential, open knuckle, not vacuum actuated (could be automatic or > manual hubs, or whatever else there is). The axles need to be around 60" > wide. I think that these requirements pertain to an early 80's > wagoneer but > i am not sure. Any help you can give me on wagoneer or grand > wagoneer years > that have this configuration would be great. Just so long as they arnt the > wide track versions as the axles are too wide for my application. > Thank you > for your time. > > Ryan Ehinger > Mechanical Engineering > Texas A&M University > > <<<< > > > ================================================================== > ========== > ========== > To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no > subject needed, > in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] > end > > (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) > > You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to > any of the lists > to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). > Please do not > send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text > to the lists. > > The "FOUR" List Rules: > 1) NO flames. > 2) NO foul language. > 3) keep it Family oriented. > 4) keep the subject list oriented. > > to post, email [xj | fsj | diesel-benz]-at-digest.net > > to unsubscribe, email majordomo-at-digest.net > in the message: > > unsubscribe (list name) (your email) > end > > ================================================================== > ========== > ========== > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > http://www.wagoneers.com/john/book-info.html > http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE > ================================================================== > ========== > ========== > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:13:19 -0600 From: "Bob Bradfield" Subject: RE: fsj: Re: addressing Yes, it is true, Microsoft is the devil. John, I am inclined to agree with you today. MS emailed me that I have to retake an elective or loose MCSE. Almost ready to let it go... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > john > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 7:28 PM > To: Brazzadog-at-aol.com > Cc: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Re: addressing > > > At 07:41 PM 3/22/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: > >What does "fully resolve" mean? > > "fully resolve" means to completely identify the full path name to an > object. In > the case of citing a URL (uniform resource locater) it means providing the > protocol > type so the email package may provide a "hot link" to that > application, e.g. > > ftp://compuserve.com > or http://www.wagoneers.com > > If I put www.wagoneers.com it's not hot clickable... and is not "fully > resolved". > > The same thing happens in scripting and programming where someone will use > a "relative" path > name to a file instead of fully resolving that path. This is a major > problem when you move > a file and also creates a serious security hole. Microsoft applications > are a prime example > of poor application structure and resolution, primarily because they use > drive designators instead > of using a standard filesystem structure like UNIX does. In other words, > if you don't > resolve your filenames someone can fake the system out into reading a > different file that > might do bad things to your system. > > Don't get me started on shell scripts that use the c shell either... ;) > > >While John's whining I want to add my own high pitched squeal. Everyone > >please try to remember to trim your quotes. > > amen. > and remove all those >>>>> from forwarded messages too... ;) > > john > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX > ================================================================== > ============ > Microsoft Certified Professionals are to the computing industry what > McDonald Certified Food Specialists are to gourmet restaurants. > Michael Bacarella 3/15/2000 (as seen on http://www.slashdot.com ) ============================================================================ == ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:27:15 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: FSJ lists "Tim Osha" writes: >> Several people have mentioned other FSJ lists in their conversations. Could someone post where these other lists can be accessed. << There are 4 lists total now. Two of them are: http://home.off-road.com/~ifsja/list http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/1FSJ I'm can't find the 4th one. But James is on all 4 of them. James...help? Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 22-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:27:16 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Fun with Rez OrigamiTB-at-aol.com writes: >> Not quite: the bore spacing of the 360 is 4.75", whereas the Mopar big-blocks have a bore spacing of 4.80". << What's your source? I'll have to do some research at home but, there is a= guy somewhere who takes bare aluminum B/RB head castings and machines the= m to fit the AMC block. That wouldn't work unless the bore centers are the same. By the time you machined the valve guide bores on the outside cylinders, they would be way out of the casting core even if the bore centers were only off by 50 thousands. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 22-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:27:14 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: J10 vs J20 Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com writes: >> My question is whether or not it is likely these axles will fit my truck and what exacly is the difference between the J10 and J20? Is it basicly hauling capacity or are there also wheel base differences? What = is the wheel base for the J10/J20? << Jamie, This data applies to '76-'79 (and probably all the way to the last J-Trucks in '88 but, the diff. offset up front swapped sides in '80)= FSJs. The WT front axle will swap directly but, if your going from a 8 lu= g to a 6 lug, the track width will decrease 2 1/8". Or vice versa. The housing are the same out to the ball joints but, there is an extra 2 1/8"= overall on the 8 lug versions. = The WT's rear axle will not swap. The J-Trucks are right around 50" cente= r to center on the spring pads while the WT is the same as all Cherokees and Wagoneers at around 43". I think you have a '73 and with the two banner years for changes ('74 and= '76) in between, your's could be different. I have all the frame measurements from '76 & up if you want to compare and I know the '76 up J-20 axles critical measurements? Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 22-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:34:49 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: addressing In a message dated 3/22/2000 5:28:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: (snip) > The same thing happens in scripting and programming where... Huh? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:33:31 -0600 From: "Bob Bradfield" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: addressing Just remember, Windows Scripting Host (WSH) or Active Server Pages (ASP)... :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > Brazzadog-at-aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 10:35 PM > To: john-at-wagoneers.com > Cc: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: addressing > > > In a message dated 3/22/2000 5:28:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, > john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > (snip) > > The same thing happens in scripting and programming where... > > Huh? > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:45:04 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: "The Bear Paw Canoe Co." Doug - Are you building canoes? About 4 years ago I got this idea that once our youngest starts school and I get some time to work with I'd like to take a stab at building and selling canoes. I'm not sure how the market would be here since everybody's into "power" boats, but it would be cool if I could make it work. I bought stock in Old Town just in case I never get my chance. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:55:40 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: addressing In a message dated 3/22/2000 8:39:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, bobbradfield-at-pdq.net writes: > Just remember, Windows Scripting Host (WSH) or Active Server Pages (ASP)... Oh, ok. Now that makes sense... not! I don't speak computer It's pretty sad when the answer makes less sense to me than the question did. My wife is fluent but refuses to admit it at home. I waddle along with AOL and usually get there eventually. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:10:42 -0800 From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Re: addressing At 08:13 PM 3/22/00 -0600, Bob Bradfield wrote: >Yes, it is true, Microsoft is the devil. >John, I am inclined to agree with you today. MS emailed me that I have to >retake an elective or loose MCSE. Almost ready to let it go... FWIW, I refuse to hire anyone that is an MCSE or prominently lists microsoft operating systems... They're not typically very versed in good structured methodology or understand high availability, high reliability systems... The paradigm is completely different... Hard to explain... I wouldn't say that Microsoft, or Bill Gates, is the devil. They are shrewd marketers that actually make pretty nice products. I use their apps a lot. I'm not enamored by their operating system though, neither do I care for their approach to standards. They like to take an existing function, like UNIX symbolic file links for instance, and rename them and claim they've invented this wonderful tool. Like no one else ever thought of it. They are quite unoriginal. They tend to rename stuff and then reduce it's real effectiveness... However, I'd like to see them make Excel for Linux/HP-UX/Solaris, I'd buy it, even at street prices. It's my favorite program, seriously. On the other hand, it seems that Microsoft does NOT stick to the standards EXCEPT when it'll screw up the way things have always worked. DNS is a prime example. For years I've used underscores in hostnames and all was fine. Then I find out that I was breaking the new microsoft dns server in IS. :) (why did IS switch from Solaris to an NT system anyway, the stupid thing is down all the time now... ;) HP and Sun say an underscore is acceptable! Problem is the official standard doesn't. Yet the boys in redmond will deviate from the normal TCP/IP stack and morph the top 4 layers into one and screw up NFS, NIS and related protocols with a sick gleam in their eyes. (having dealt with SOME of the boys from neighboring redmond I can attest that SOME of them do have pretty uppity attitudes. On the other hand, MOST of them are really nice folks and I count many of them friends. ;) Ok, ok, I'm gonna take a deep breath and exhale... Anybody without pocket protectors just delete this message... The thing of which you speak about the certification is true, it's Microsoft's way of forcing you to deal with Windows 2k and get people away from NT. It's called SELLING THE NEW PRODUCT. Even Cisco, who was doing a hardline, even against their own IS folks, for active Directories, did an about face and is returning to the standards. Standards that UNIX supports! It's like the JEEP Dealer discontinuing WAGONEER parts to force you to buy that new WJ with Quadradrive... (hey, can you get that with the 4.0L??? ;) Considering the cost of that certification I'd highly encourage that you investigate learning UNIX and LINUX. I've provided on line training material for your reading/studying pleasure and will assist you in your professional advancement. :) For nothing. no strings attached. UNIX is a better operating system and worth learning. (see (fully resolved) URL below. ;) It's kind of like our Full Size Jeeps, (notice how I've skillfully directed the totally out of bounds lengthy (and probably excruciatingly boring) thread back to our beloved behemoths...), orphaned if you will because AMC couldn't afford to redesign them for EPA requirements... Had I been thinking I would have offered a hand to AMC and Chrysler to redesign them and help keep them alive... I won't let it happen with Linux / UNIX. ;) (actually it doesn't need me, it's doing quite well all on it's own, unlike our FSJ's, LINUX is VERY efficient...) Ok, all you non-nerd types can wake up and go to the next message now... :) john - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com HP-UX, Solaris, Linux http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/ http://wagoneers.com/UNIX/Courses.html http://wagoneers.com/pages/ComputerSurvival-101.html http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/LINUX/year-of-the-penguin.html - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 20:44:29 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: addressing At 11:34 PM 3/22/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/22/2000 5:28:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, >john-at-wagoneers.com writes: >(snip) >> The same thing happens in scripting and programming where... > >Huh? I KNEW I'd get that response... man, I shoulda been a fisherman... yes. Bait the hook, cast the line, snag, reel it in.... ;) I have some (less than) interesting stories (for normal people) about having to fix computer systems via a telnet session half way across the country to fix a script that wasn't resolved properly. It caused a mail storm that flooded our mail server with over 2,000 emails an hour, filling up the server disks and crashing the mail server... All because some half-watt didn't use the full path name in a script. Seriously. I have more stories of a similiar ilk, but I fear that that glazed look in your eye may not be reversible... ;) john - -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- An article in the Seattle Washington Post-Intelligencer dealt with accidental deaths caused by physicians (based on research by Laura Key) Number of physicians in the US - 700,000 Accidental deaths caused /year - 120,000 Accidental deaths/physician = 0.171 based on readily available statistics found on the internet: Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000 Number of accidental gun deaths/year (all age groups) = 1,500 Accidental deaths/gun owner = 0.0000188 THEREFORE, one may derive the following: That Doctors are approximately 9000 times more dangerous than gun owners. - -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com - -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:22:42 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Re: addressing In a message dated 3/22/2000 9:10:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: (snip) > FWIW, I refuse to hire anyone that is an MCSE or prominently lists > microsoft operating systems... They're not typically very versed in > good structured methodology or understand high availability, high > reliability systems... The paradigm is completely different... Hard to > explain... Have I been a bad boy? Do you keep typing this stuff to punish me? Please, take me out behind the woodshed and get it over with. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:24:26 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: addressing In a message dated 3/22/2000 9:10:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, john-at-wagoneers.com writes: > I KNEW I'd get that response... man, I shoulda been a fisherman... yes. > Bait the hook, cast the line, snag, reel it in.... ;) LOL, I can't decide whether I prefer catch-and-release or not. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:32:58 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: RE: Re: addressing At 10:33 PM 3/22/00 -0600, Bob Bradfield wrote: >Just remember, Windows Scripting Host (WSH) or Active Server Pages (ASP)... > >:-) I've never met a windoze operating system I couldn't crash. john - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX ============================================================================== Microsoft Certified Professionals are to the computing industry what McDonald Certified Food Specialists are to gourmet restaurants. Michael Bacarella 3/15/2000 (as seen on http://www.slashdot.com ) ============================================================================ == ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #786 *************************