From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 28 11:00:27 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, March 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 792 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: looking for a jack fsj: Re: the Panel Re: fsj: cool FSJ! New Mexico style... fsj: Lack of Spring clearance Re: fsj: Lack of Spring clearance fsj: Loose Steering column Re: fsj: Loose Steering column Re: fsj: looking for a jack fsj: Stepsides and Honchos fsj: Do I owe someone a reply? Re: fsj: Do I owe someone a reply? fsj: Tailgate window..It's my turn fsj: Purge canister for a 6 cylinder...NOS Re: fsj: Tailgate window..It's my turn Re: fsj: looking for a jack fsj: Looking for a J-truck! Re: fsj: Looking for a J-truck! Re: fsj: looking for a jack Re: fsj: looking for a jack Re: fsj: looking for a jack Re: fsj: looking for a jack FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:57:43 -0500 From: "Chris J Lewis" Subject: fsj: looking for a jack Hey do any of you folks have the OEM jack for a wagoneer that you could part with, or know from what type car or truck I could scab one from at a junk yard? that will fit in the stock location. Thank for your help list. Chris 89 woody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 09:11:44 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: the Panel didn't own it, was trying to work out the logistics of getting it to Seattle from LA though... the 67 panel in question: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/The67Panel/ literature: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Panel-literature/ other panels: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/images-FSJ/hinges.jpg http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/images-FSJ/panel2.jpg http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/images-FSJ/panel.jpg At 10:19 AM 3/27/00 -0600, DISTANTDRUMMER-at-webtv.net wrote: >John I dont think Im smart enough to navigate the labyrinth you have >created.{;~) >I did find and peruse your vehichles owned data base. I was told that >you at one time owned a panel delivery Kaiser not willys . You know the >old wag with the cargo doors. Bill Kelsey posted on the fsj-list that >you had, long ago. Did you? >Where is it now if you did? Any recollection of write-ups regarding the >cargo doors on the Kaiser/Wags and do you have copies of these if they >did exist ? > >Thanks > >+DistantDrummer+ Houston Texas > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 10:33:16 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: cool FSJ! New Mexico style... At 01:09 PM 3/27/00 -0700, you wrote: > >John, my next project will be (if you look closely) the back wall of a >J10looks like it can be grafted on behind the back doors of a wagoneer it >looks like the roof stamping can be adapted to the rear wall of the p/u >without too much trouble.Wheelbase and o/all length will be ALOT,then dana >70HD rear axle w/dualls and "bud "wheels all 4 corners Ok, so I'd take the Wagoneer front, clip it off at the back of the windows, graft on the J10 cab and bed? What about the wheelwells? ...wait... if I use the J10 front/bed I'll have bigger axles to start with... then I could GRAFT in the rear doors and part of the rear area of the wagoneer between the existing cab and bed... maybe shorten the bed? I envision a scrap run of gargantun proportions when I finally cut up all the pieces and haul it off in frustration... I see plywood and duct tape coming into the project... rofl... john >-----Original Message----- >From: john >To: Timothy Fisher >Cc: fsj-at-digest.net >Date: Sunday, March 26, 2000 11:18 PM >Subject: Re: fsj: cool FSJ! New Mexico style... > > >>At 12:45 AM 3/27/00 -0700, Timothy Fisher wrote: >>>John. I was on the way to the dump the other day towing at least 3000lbs >of >>>construstion debris with my 380lb friend "frank the giant" and out dragged >a >>>navigator from a stoplight!! >> >>what kind of mileage? >> >>Full Size Exterminator... >> >>Hey, why don't you swing north an extra thousand miles or so so I can >>photograph and examine this creation. :) >> >>I've got an extra Wagoneer here and hopefully will obtain a dead J10, long >>wheelbase... any ideas? ;) >> >>john >>----------------------------------------------------- >> john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com >> ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >>----------------------------------------------------- >> > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 12:19:24 -0700 From: bradley.a.berry-at-lmco.com Subject: fsj: Lack of Spring clearance OK Guys, I finally got the chance to crawl under my jeep and try to take some spring measurements to send to OME. I had talked with someone there who wanted to know what the dimensions were to see if they had anything that would work on our vehicles. (Not likely after looking at the length of our rear springs!) Anyway, I figure my front springs are about 47 1/4" long along their radius, and with about a 6" chord. This number was with my truck sitting on my slightly sloped driveway, with the front end high, so the front end would be unloaded slightly. And I vaguely remember that when I jacked up that corner of the truck, that the chord only increased to 7", so I'm not real confident in those numbers. I'll have to check them again, but on level ground. What really got my attention, was that monster rear spring. I think it was 57" long! The disturbing part was that it looked like the spring was almost totally flat. There was only about 3" of clearance between the axle tube and the bumper on the bottom of the frame rail. This might explain why my jeep seems to sit low in the rear. Sheesh! What did the po tow with this thing? It must have had a pretty impressive tongue weight. So the question of the hour to all of you who have replaced your springs, is what kind of curvature should I expect to see on a standard spring, or what kind of clearance should there be between the axle tube and frame? If anyone has a set of stock springs laying around which aren't totally worn out, can they measure them for me for comparison? Thanks, Brad Berry 88 GW ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:25:18 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Lack of Spring clearance the flatness of the springs is pretty common. Adding a long add-a-leaf and mixing in springs from a 70's vintage wagoneer will get you some lift... use amsoil synthethic grease and new friction pads with new clamps and you'll get lift, ride and articulation. :) gonna do that trick to superdawg soon... john At 12:19 PM 3/27/00 -0700, bradley.a.berry-at-lmco.com wrote: >OK Guys, > >I finally got the chance to crawl under my jeep and try to take some spring >measurements to send to OME. I had talked with someone there who wanted to >know what the dimensions were to see if they had anything that would work on >our vehicles. (Not likely after looking at the length of our rear springs!) > >Anyway, I figure my front springs are about 47 1/4" long along their radius, >and with about a 6" chord. This number was with my truck sitting on my >slightly sloped driveway, with the front end high, so the front end would be >unloaded slightly. And I vaguely remember that when I jacked up that corner >of the truck, that the chord only increased to 7", so I'm not real confident >in those numbers. I'll have to check them again, but on level ground. > >What really got my attention, was that monster rear spring. I think it was >57" long! The disturbing part was that it looked like the spring was almost >totally flat. There was only about 3" of clearance between the axle tube >and the bumper on the bottom of the frame rail. This might explain why my >jeep seems to sit low in the rear. Sheesh! What did the po tow with this >thing? It must have had a pretty impressive tongue weight. > >So the question of the hour to all of you who have replaced your springs, is >what kind of curvature should I expect to see on a standard spring, or what >kind of clearance should there be between the axle tube and frame? If >anyone has a set of stock springs laying around which aren't totally worn >out, can they measure them for me for comparison? > >Thanks, > >Brad Berry >88 GW > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:54:52 -0600 From: "Ronnie Brown" Subject: fsj: Loose Steering column Hi Folks, Have been offlist for awhile. Need your help. Where can I find the instructions someone once wrote on how to tighten up the four bolts in the steering column? Ronnie Brown 82 Wagoneer "Baby" Austin, Texas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 11:57:23 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Loose Steering column I had some pictures of the process for old blue... remember someone writing it up.. problem is it's four hex / external torq type screws that work loose... recommend using a steering wheel puller and another device that presses the horn ring down... I took a picture of part of it yesterday... but it's in the camera, my digital is on the fritz... ;( john At 01:54 PM 3/27/00 -0600, you wrote: >Hi Folks, >Have been offlist for awhile. Need your help. Where can I find the >instructions someone once wrote on how to tighten up the four bolts in the >steering column? > >Ronnie Brown >82 Wagoneer "Baby" >Austin, Texas > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 14:59:15 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack Hmmmm.... Maybe another Wagoneer in a Junk yard? R.J. Chris J Lewis wrote: > Hey do any of you folks have the OEM jack for a wagoneer that you could part > with, or know from what type car or truck I could scab one from at a junk yard? > that will fit in the stock location. > > Thank for your help list. > > Chris > 89 woody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:34:02 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Stepsides and Honchos "R.J. Baynum" writes: >> so I can change it? << Yes, you can. Do you know how? Ah, scratch that. I'll take a chance and save a little traffic. Crawl under from behind each front wheel and look at the rear part of the knuckle. There you'll find a bolt with a domed shaped head and a lock= nut. That's the stop. The left one is the left stop and the right one is the right stop. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 27-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:34:01 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Do I owe someone a reply? I usually pass-up the CC copy of a posted reply and wait until I see it i= n a digest. I think I received a CC of a reply recently which never showed-= up on the list but, I can't find it. Do I owe anyone a reply at the moment? Seems like I do. = This is what happens when I handle more than 500 messages a week which I've been doing consistently for 3-4 weeks now. A new milestone for me. A= nd if 500 sounds like a lot, consider that I'm in digest mode on all but, on= e list :-). Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 27-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 13:58:00 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Do I owe someone a reply? At 04:34 PM 3/27/00 -0500, Michael Baxter wrote: >This is what happens when I handle more than 500 messages a week which >I've been doing consistently for 3-4 weeks now. A new milestone for me. And >if 500 sounds like a lot, consider that I'm in digest mode on all but, one >list :-). try about 250 to 350 emails a DAY! (on two systems... work and this one.) I'm in the digest mode on all lists except this one... and traffic is remarkably light here... ;) UNIX, FSJ, XJ, Diesel Benz, Diesel, Bible, HP-UX, solaris, Linux, and so on and so on... john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 16:07:26 -0600 From: Roy Kesmodel Subject: fsj: Tailgate window..It's my turn * I wonder if it's something like this: * http://www.glassbreaker.com/more.htm * I've noticed such things in the catalogs from vendors of police and * emergency-response supplies. It's exactly something like that. I didn't look long enough to see what they were charging, but I know you can get one at your local Lowe's (or equivalent big builder's supply, or maybe your local hardware store) for about $10 US, it called an "heavy duty, automatic center punch". I have one in every car. * Note also that the front windshield presents a special problem, being * very think and very tough to withstand the combination of wind pressure * and small flying objects I'm pretty sure the above tool will work for any window as it does not rely on the force applied, but rather on crack propagation. You may have to apply it to more than one spot, but I believe it would work (how about one of you out there who has a windshield to throw away trying it out ;-)) * Lately I've also seen ads for a gizmo that combines a hammer and a sharp * cutter in a protected notch (e.g., for going through a stuck seat * belt). Office supply stores or industrial trade shows have these letter openers that have a small, sharp blade captive in plastic with access to the blade via a slit in the plastic, I believe this would work to cut a seat belt while being relatively child safe (as opposed to a sharp knife, as a parent I realize that there is almost NOTHING that is truely child proof). Roy '82 FSJ Chero WT Laredo, 'Tank' '79 Toronado '83 Buick Regal SW member of 1FSJ-at-onelist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 21:05:38 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Purge canister for a 6 cylinder...NOS There is a NOS 6 cylinder purge canister on Ebay at the moment. The part = # is included in the description: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D293920620 Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 27-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:08:12 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Tailgate window..It's my turn A: I have 2 ways that work. An old spark plug ceramic (hold the threads and break off the tip. I had to use my spare plug to free a couple that were upside down in a ditch full of water) works quite well! (sharp and tough as diamond nearly) Also, a little trick I learned in martial arts (a blend of Thai kick boxing and Gung Fu) was to punch the window, but aim the force about 1/2" below the surface. I took out the side window on a (then) brand new Mustang that was on fire in front of the gas meter at my (then) girlfriend's apartment when a cop was unable to bust it with his club or a fire extinguisher. His comment? "Don't ever hit me!" That was when I was 185lbs and in fighting trim (I stepped on the scale today, and I'm 260 :^( but at least I'm down almost 20 lbs since Christmas when I started Thyroid meds! :^) Roy wrote: * =A0 =A0 =A0 I wonder if it's something like this: * =A0 =A0 =A0 http://www.glassbreaker.com/more.htm * =A0 =A0 =A0 I've noticed such things in the catalogs from vendors of police and * =A0 =A0 =A0 emergency-response supplies. It's exactly something like that. I didn't look long enough to see what they were charging, but I know you can get one at your local Lowe's (or equivalent big builder's supply, or maybe your local hardware store) for about $10 US, it called an "heavy duty, automatic center punch". I have one in every car. * =A0 =A0 =A0 Note also that the front windshield presents a special problem, being * =A0 =A0 =A0 very think and very tough to withstand the combination of wind pressure * =A0 =A0 =A0 and small flying objects I'm pretty sure the above tool will work for any window as it does not rely on the force applied, but rather on crack propagation. You may have to apply it to more than one spot, but I believe it would work (how about one of you out there who has a windshield to throw away trying it out ;-)) * =A0 =A0 =A0 Lately I've also seen ads for a gizmo that combines a hammer and a sharp * =A0 =A0 =A0 cutter in a protected notch (e.g., for going through a stuck seat * =A0 =A0 =A0 belt). Office supply stores or industrial trade shows have these letter openers that have a small, sharp blade captive in plastic with access to the blade via a slit in the plastic, I believe this would work to cut a seat belt while being relatively child safe (as opposed to a sharp knife, as a parent I realize that there is almost NOTHING that is truely child proof). Roy '82 FSJ Chero WT Laredo, 'Tank' '79 Toronado '83 Buick Regal SW member of 1FSJ-at-onelist.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 19:14:53 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack A: What stock jack? Bumper or axle type? I truly prefer the floorjack I pack around in Elmo, and for 4 wheeling, I use a Jackall. R.J.=A0Baynum wrote: Hmmmm.... Maybe another Wagoneer in a Junk yard? R.J. Chris J Lewis wrote: Hey do any of you folks have the OEM jack for a wagoneer that you could part with, or know from what type car or truck I could scab one from at a junk yard? that will fit in the stock location. Thank for your help list. Chris 89 woody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:22:59 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Looking for a J-truck! I have my wife convinced that her '99 Ranger is a POS, and now she wants a bigger truck, that gets the mileage of Elmo, that DOESN'T cost $350 a month for the next 6 years! (her 3.0L V6 with 5 speed only gets 19 mpg and Elmo gets 20 for $17,000 less!) We have decided on '80 or newer, and may even entertain the thought of a 4.0L XJ 4x4 pickup. No big panic yet. (have to sell the '99 Ranger first) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 20:53:47 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Looking for a J-truck! Jim... you did see Terry Rust's post last night about his 82 J10 Stepside didn't you? Also, a Comanche wouldn't be a bad thing either... but neither are gonna be as roomy as that ranger, neither will they be as reliable... but hey, she's married to a mechanic so it's not an issue. :) john At 08:22 PM 3/27/00 -0800, James Blair wrote: >I have my wife convinced that her '99 Ranger is a POS, and now she wants >a bigger truck, that gets the mileage of Elmo, that DOESN'T cost $350 a >month for the next 6 years! (her 3.0L V6 with 5 speed only gets 19 mpg >and Elmo gets 20 for $17,000 less!) > We have decided on '80 or newer, and may even entertain the thought >of a 4.0L XJ 4x4 pickup. No big panic yet. (have to sell the '99 Ranger >first) > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 00:48:08 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack I think he wants the standard stock, bumper jack... R.J. James Blair wrote: > A: What stock jack? Bumper or axle type? I truly prefer the floorjack I > pack around in Elmo, and for 4 wheeling, I use a Jackall. > > R.J. Baynum wrote: > Hmmmm.... Maybe another Wagoneer in a Junk yard? > R.J. > Chris J Lewis wrote: > Hey do any of you folks have the OEM jack for a wagoneer that you could > part with, or know from what type car or truck I could scab one from at > a junk yard? that will fit in the stock location. > Thank for your help list. > Chris > 89 woody ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 22:56:10 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack You know... after owning 11 Full Size Jeeps... I don't ever recall actually having one that came with a stock jack... You know what? I don't even think I know what a stock Wagoneer jack is supposed to look like! Maybe they don't really exist. They are just a myth. I've never seen one... Has anyone out there ever actually SEEN and touched a real Wagoneer jack? Do they exist? Maybe someone should post a picture of one on the internet... I won't believe they exist until I see a picture of one... and then I'll have my doubts that it wasn't stolen from a 68 Impala... ;) john http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 01:26:35 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack Well, John.. Guess what... my 79 wag came with a bumper jack, and also my 74 wag had it it too. it looks like a chevy bumper jack, that fits in the back under the cargo mat (74) tires were underneath the back , but was changed since they added a new gas tank, and the it was mounted inside in the back. R.J. john wrote: > You know... after owning 11 Full Size Jeeps... I don't ever recall actually > having one that came with a stock jack... You know what? I don't even think > I know what a stock Wagoneer jack is supposed to look like! > > Maybe they don't really exist. They are just a myth. I've never seen one... > Has anyone out there ever actually SEEN and touched a real Wagoneer jack? > > Do they exist? Maybe someone should post a picture of one on the internet... > > I won't believe they exist until I see a picture of one... and then I'll > have my doubts that it wasn't stolen from a 68 Impala... ;) > > john > > http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html > ----------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:33:53 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack At 01:26 AM 3/28/00 -0600, R.J. Baynum wrote: >Well, John.. Guess what... my 79 wag came with a bumper jack, and also my 74 wag >had it it too. >it looks like a chevy bumper jack, see what I mean!?!? Are you SURE it's not a Chevy bumper jack? Hmmmmmmm??? I sense a conspiracy here. I mean, I mean... just look at your FSJ. Fomoco ignition and windows... Ford Distributer... how'd a Chevy jack get in there? ;) (don't even tell me about the GM alternator and ps pump, that's just a ruse to throw us off the coverup!) Someone has been going out there and removing the JEEP jacks and replacing them with 68 Impala bumper jacks... Like I said... I've never seen a REAL Jeep jack... but I'll keep looking... They have to be some where... Not sure where to look yet... I mean, I've been to Olympic, and don't recall seeing one there either... So who is ever behind this coverup is good... I mean I've seen a lot of Wagoneers, they are thorough... Remember the jack... We need to get a picture of the real thing... not the substitutes... the JEEP Jack... (as john rides off in superdawg into the sunset... tilting at windmills... in search of the REAL jack... ;) john (who shouldn't be up past his bed time... ;) - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #792 *************************