From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Mar 28 18:21:20 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, March 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 793 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: looking for a jack fsj: gas tank removal Re: fsj: looking for a jack Re: fsj: looking for a jack Re: fsj: Looking for a J-truck! fsj: missing camera? Re: fsj: looking for a jack Re: fsj: looking for a jack Re: fsj: looking for a jack Re: fsj: missing camera? fsj: gloves Re: fsj: gas tank removal Re: fsj: looking for a jack fsj: '87 Commanche parts Re: fsj: gas tank removal fsj: gloves Re: fsj: gloves FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2000 23:33:47 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack A: Elmo has one. It had an AMC sticker on it, but I think I wore it off! The '80 and up have the one piece bumpers with jacks that are bumper slot type. john wrote: You know... after owning 11 Full Size Jeeps... I don't ever recall actually having one that came with a stock jack... You know what? I don't even think I know what a stock Wagoneer jack is supposed to look like! Maybe they don't really exist. They are just a myth. =A0 I've never seen one... Has anyone out there ever actually SEEN and touched a real Wagoneer jack? Do they exist? Maybe someone should post a picture of one on the internet... I won't believe they exist until I see a picture of one... and then I'll have my doubts that it wasn't stolen from a 68 Impala... ;) john =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 03:26:05 -0500 From: Brett Schmidt Subject: fsj: gas tank removal I have to do a little frame welding on my '83 Wagoneer in order to pass PA inspection. The spot is right where the gas tank is, so I have to drop the tank first. Are there any tricks to dropping the tank? Anything I should look out for? Thanks for any thoughts. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 06:24:28 -0800 From: Eric Faust Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack Well John, I always thought you were pretty smart on FSJ's, but now I see the truth. YOU DON'T KNOW JACK! ba dump bum. Sorry, I couldn't pass that up. I have two jacks in my garage, and a hi-lift on the Jeep. They are probably not worth the shipping cost. Eric Faust john wrote: > > At 01:26 AM 3/28/00 -0600, R.J. Baynum wrote: > >Well, John.. Guess what... my 79 wag came with a bumper jack, and also my > 74 wag >had it it too. > >it looks like a chevy bumper jack, > > see what I mean!?!? Are you SURE it's not a Chevy bumper jack? Hmmmmmmm??? > > I sense a conspiracy here. I mean, I mean... just look at your FSJ. > Fomoco ignition and windows... Ford Distributer... how'd a Chevy jack > get in there? ;) > > (don't even tell me about the GM alternator and ps pump, that's just a > ruse to throw us off the coverup!) > > Someone has been going out there and removing the JEEP jacks and replacing > them with 68 Impala bumper jacks... > > Like I said... I've never seen a REAL Jeep jack... but I'll keep looking... > They have to be some where... Not sure where to look yet... I mean, I've > been to Olympic, and don't recall seeing one there either... So who is > ever behind this coverup is good... I mean I've seen a lot of Wagoneers, > they are thorough... > > Remember the jack... We need to get a picture of the real thing... not > the substitutes... the JEEP Jack... > > (as john rides off in superdawg into the sunset... tilting at windmills... > in search of the REAL jack... ;) > > john > (who shouldn't be up past his bed time... ;) > > ----------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:31:37 -0600 From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack john said: {- You know... after owning 11 Full Size Jeeps... I don't ever recall actually {- having one that came with a stock jack... You know what? I don't= {- even think I know what a stock Wagoneer jack is supposed to look like! {- {- Maybe they don't really exist. They are just a myth. I've never seen one. {- Has anyone out there ever actually SEEN and touched a real Wagoneer jack? {- Do they exist? Maybe someone should post a picture of one on the internet.. {- {- I won't believe they exist until I see a picture of one... and then I'll {- have my doubts that it wasn't stolen from a 68 Impala... ;) Either my old '84 (now Bruce's) or my '85 (or maybe both) had one. But more importantly, my '88 (from wagonmasters.com) has one that looks like it's never been touched (including the bag it's in). Goes in the back right quarterpanel area (remove the carpeted piece and put it above the wheel well, just in front of the back right speaker -- a very dirty, dusty area on most FSJs, but totally clean on my '88...). I need to finish off a roll of film and get stuff developed anyway, so maybe I'll dig it out and take some pics. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- We may not imagine how our lives could be more frustrating and complex - but Congress can. -- Cullen Hightower - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:04:32 -0600 From: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com Subject: Re: fsj: Looking for a J-truck! I'm not sure where you are located, but a reasonable J-truck was on ebay and it didn't sell... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=285373272 It is however located in Michigan though.... Later, Jamie "my heart said buy, but my wife said no" Phillips '73 J4600 '77 F250 home email: jphil78888-at-aol.com work email: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com Carnuck-at-webtv .net (James To: fsj-at-digest.net, 1FSJ-at-onelist.com Blair) cc: Sent by: Subject: fsj: Looking for a J-truck! owner-fsj-at-dig est.net 03/27/2000 10:22 PM Please respond to Carnuck I have my wife convinced that her '99 Ranger is a POS, and now she wants a bigger truck, that gets the mileage of Elmo, that DOESN'T cost $350 a month for the next 6 years! (her 3.0L V6 with 5 speed only gets 19 mpg and Elmo gets 20 for $17,000 less!) We have decided on '80 or newer, and may even entertain the thought of a 4.0L XJ 4x4 pickup. No big panic yet. (have to sell the '99 Ranger first) ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify Underwriters Laboratories Inc. at e-mail_Disclaimer-at-us.ul.com. UL does not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments that arise as a result of e-mail transmission. ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:03:12 -0600 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: missing camera? You left it on the Mercedes ? - - Landon problem is it's four hex / external torq type screws that work loose... recommend using a steering wheel puller and another device that presses the horn ring down... I took a picture of part of it yesterday... but it's in the camera, my digital is on the fritz... ;( ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 100 08:38:45 -0800 (PST) From: Brad Seevers Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack I have one! Course, it could be from a 68 Impala... - -brad John writes: > You know... after owning 11 Full Size Jeeps... I don't ever recall actually > having one that came with a stock jack... You know what? I don't even think > I know what a stock Wagoneer jack is supposed to look like! > > Maybe they don't really exist. They are just a myth. I've never seen one... > Has anyone out there ever actually SEEN and touched a real Wagoneer jack? > > Do they exist? Maybe someone should post a picture of one on the internet... > > I won't believe they exist until I see a picture of one... and then I'll > have my doubts that it wasn't stolen from a 68 Impala... ;) > > john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:56:48 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack At 06:24 AM 3/28/00 -0800, Eric Faust wrote: >Well John, I always thought you were pretty smart on FSJ's, but now I see the >truth. YOU DON'T KNOW JACK! rofl... >ba dump bum. Sorry, I couldn't pass that up. > >I have two jacks in my garage, and a hi-lift on the Jeep. They are probably not >worth the shipping cost. a picture is worth a thousand post stamps... ;) does it say AMC on it???? Are you sure you're not being duped as well... ;) it's interesting to see that some of you are actually taking this seriously... ;) I've got a hi-lift bolted into the bed on Superdawg and a 4 ton bottle jack in his tool box... Don't know what happened to the original jacks in the FSJ's I've owned before... strange. My xj has one of those little screw jacks, sits under the back seat... work pretty well, even with bigger tires and a lift! john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:06:11 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack another reason to buy one already ready refurbished... shoot it even comes with a real jack. :) Makes me want to win the lottery so I can afford one... ;) john At 08:31 AM 3/28/00 -0600, Dan Black wrote: >more importantly, my '88 (from wagonmasters.com) has one that looks like >it's never been touched (including the bag it's in). Goes in the back >right quarterpanel area (remove the carpeted piece and put it above the >wheel well, just in front of the back right speaker -- a very dirty, >dusty area on most FSJs, but totally clean on my '88...). > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:10:20 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: missing camera? At 10:03 AM 3/28/00 -0600, Landon Tesar wrote: >You left it on the Mercedes ? rofl... ;) (notice I did write it in lower case... ;) my digital camera has a little plastic thingy that broke off... I'm taking it to one of our designers this morning for surgery... He makes models of handheld scanner equipment and works with plastics... he fixed the iron I broke a few weeks ago... gotta run, I need to fix up his UNIX workstation before he gets out of a meeting... ;) (kind of fun bartering with my users... ;) john > >- Landon > > >problem is it's four hex / external torq type screws that work loose... >recommend using a steering wheel puller and another device that presses the >horn ring down... > >I took a picture of part of it yesterday... but it's in the camera, my digital >is on the fritz... ;( > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:57:48 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: gloves >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 10:11:04 -0500 >From: Bob Mock >Subject: xj: Mechanix Gloves >>I don't know if any of you folks have used the Mechanix gloves, but I >personally find them quite nice to use when working my truck. Keeps >hands cleaner and without so many cuts and bruises. They really help >reduce the amount of knuckle busters. (you can still smash your hands >but they don't bruise/belled as much) :) I just thought i'd pass >along this deal I found on them.>MobShop has them where the more people that buy them the cheaper they get. Regularly they're about $25...now they're at $20 with >Free shipping and the price only goes lower. > http://www.mobshop.com/cycles?cycle_id=214393 > >Just thought I'd pass it along... I've been using surgical gloves since 1983. I usually wear two pair, that way if one gets torn or really gunky I can slide it off and put on another one. I haven't tried the mechanix gloves though, might be ok, but they're gonna get nasty. They are washable... The other issue is dexterity. With surgical gloves I can pick up very small parts and handle them... Not sure if I could do the same with the mechanix gloves I can tell you that wearing the rubber gloves has saved my hands on numerous occasions... What would have required stitches barely broke the skin. What would have resulted in a severe burn destroyed the glove and let me know it was hot. :) What would have taken 15 minutes to clean up from takes about 1.5 seconds. If I need to test drive a rig I can just slide the top glove off and touch stuff without making a mess. I'm finding more and more folks using gloves now... like to think I started something... ;) It all started because of my work in the semiconductor industry where you had to wear gloves because your hands would contaminate the equipment! Believe it or not my wife is the one that actually suggested using the gloves when we had to go somewhere and I didn't want to get all dirty... worked great. I usually buy the disposable rubber gloves, two boxes of 100 each for around $10 at costco... Some of the drawbacks to using rubber gloves is that they dissolve in gasoline or Diesel, will tear in caught on a screw (of course your flesh would be left behind too), your hands get sweaty and funky and working with duct tape or electrical tape could earn you a spot on funniest home videos. :) john - ---------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Real FREEDOM comes through knowing Jesus http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE/ - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 11:03:55 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: gas tank removal an inspection? they're making you fix your frame? wow. This is in America? Anyway, an empty tank may be more dangerous than one that is full... vapors. However, the weight of a full tank makes it harder to work with. So, run it down as much as you can. remove the shield, disconnect all the lines and wiring... slowly lower it and make sure you have everything disconnected. You might want to pressure wash the area first, also, soap up or otherwise lubricate the rubber fittings so they are more pliable. Get the gas tank away from the rig before you start welding. john At 03:26 AM 3/28/00 -0500, you wrote: >I have to do a little frame welding on my '83 Wagoneer in order to pass PA inspection. >The spot is right where the gas tank is, so I have to drop the tank first. Are there any >tricks to dropping the tank? Anything I should look out for? Thanks for any thoughts. >Brett > > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:51:01 -0500 From: Robert Barry Subject: Re: fsj: looking for a jack >>Well, John.. Guess what... my 79 wag came with a bumper jack, and also my >74 wag >had it it too. >>it looks like a chevy bumper jack, > >see what I mean!?!? Are you SURE it's not a Chevy bumper jack? Hmmmmmmm??? [snip] >Someone has been going out there and removing the JEEP jacks and replacing >them with 68 Impala bumper jacks... > >Like I said... I've never seen a REAL Jeep jack... but I'll keep looking... I have one that came with my '88 GW in that neat protective envelope. It's identical in design (if not in every precise dimension) to the GM-style jacks that I have from a '78 Buick and, yes, an actual '68 Chevy (Caprice, though, not Impala, but they'd be identical). >Remember the jack... We need to get a picture of the real thing... not >the substitutes... the JEEP Jack... Of course, it doesn't *say* Jeep anywhere on it, as Jeep didn't build it. It does work on my '78 Cherokee as well as it works on my '88 GW. ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:19:37 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: '87 Commanche parts At Monster autowrecking in South Seattle (206-772-2277) There's an '87 Jeep Commanche 2WD with no drivetrain (for the MJ crowd) I found myself a '84 Laredo pickup the owner says is an XJ pickup. (I figure the year is wrong or?) It's a 4 banger 5 speed (MINE!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 12:38:39 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: gas tank removal A: I dropped my gastank back at New Years, and if I didn't have a spare frame, I would have welded up mine too! In high rust areas, inspections are the norm, because in many cases they ARE neccessary! I don't feel as comfortable driving Elmo now that I know how much rot is in my frame, and it's probably in better shape than Brett's! I've seen people drive rusty cars down the road, and all of a sudden, (usually on a corner) something lets go and someone gets killed or seriously injured. (I was sold a VW van that had the floor held in with bondo! I was driving a mountain road when all heck broke loose. The van folded in half, and the motor and trans broke away, smashing into an oncoming car. I was 17 and didn't know what to look for when I bought it. The company (Jarmann Motors in NW, BC) was run out of business by the ins. co. lawsuit. John wrote: an inspection? they're making you fix your frame? wow. This is in America? Anyway, an empty tank may be more dangerous than one that is full... vapors. However, the weight of a full tank makes it harder to work with. So, run it down as much as you can. remove the shield, disconnect all the lines and wiring... slowly lower it and make sure you have everything disconnected. You might want to pressure wash the area first, also, soap up or otherwise lubricate the rubber fittings so they are more pliable. Get the gas tank away from the rig before you start welding. john At 03:26 AM 3/28/00 -0500, you wrote: I have to do a little frame welding on my '83 Wagoneer in order to pass PA inspection. The spot is right where the gas tank is, so I have to drop the tank first. =A0=A0Are there any tricks to dropping the tank? Anything I should look out for? Thanks for any thoughts. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 14:26:10 -0600 From: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com Subject: fsj: gloves I could never stand wearing surgical gloves for a long period of time. I do use them though when I know I will be getting gas on my hands (changing a fuel filter) and the ones I use don't melt. When I do work that I might get my knuckles smacked around or cut (exhaust or brake work) I tend to use the leather palm/finger work gloves. These gloves also help the "x" shaped lug wrench spin easily. (no I don't have any air tools) If I am doing intricate work or working with a lot of grease and oil I just use bare hands and carry a rag hanging out of my back pocket. I think I picked this up when I was working as a machine operator. As long as you wipe your hands off on a rag before washing, it really isn't difficult to get them clean. When I am done for the day, I do use a small scrub brush for the difficult spots and under the nails though. Later, Jamie "Mr. Clean (make fun of my hair line, I just don't care)" Phillips '73 J4600 '77 F250 home email: jphil78888-at-aol.com work email: Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com ********* Internet E-mail Confidentiality Disclaimer ********** This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify Underwriters Laboratories Inc. at e-mail_Disclaimer-at-us.ul.com. UL does not accept liability for any errors, omissions, corruption or virus in the contents of this message or any attachments that arise as a result of e-mail transmission. ************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 13:11:47 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: gloves A: I use invisible glove (when Al's went under, all the big tubes went on for $1 each and I scored 10 of them!) It's only soap of some kind, but it sure helps my hands! (unless I forget to put it on. Then it takes 2 days of scrubbing to come clean!) Jamie wrote: I could never stand wearing surgical gloves for a long period of time. I do use them though when I know I will be getting gas on my hands (changing a fuel filter) and the ones I use don't melt. When I do work that I might get my knuckles smacked around or cut (exhaust or brake work) I tend to use the leather palm/finger work gloves. These gloves also help the "x" shaped lug wrench spin easily. (no I don't have any air tools) If I am doing intricate work or working with a lot of grease and oil I just use bare hands and carry a rag hanging out of my back pocket. I think I picked this up when I was working as a machine operator. As long as you wipe your hands off on a rag before washing, it really isn't difficult to get them clean. When I am done for the day, I do use a small scrub brush for the difficult spots and under the nails though. Later, Jamie "Mr. Clean (make fun of my hair line, I just don't care)" Phillips ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #793 *************************