From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Mar 29 17:17:07 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, March 29 2000 Volume 01 : Number 795 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: What's a Stroker 6? Re: [1FSJ] Re: fsj: My J-10 is up and running... fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #794 Re: fsj: gloves Re: fsj: gloves fsj: Re: My J-10 is up and running... fsj: Loose Steering column fsj: Lack of Spring clearance fsj: looking for a jack fsj: the Wagonator gets to follow a U-haul... fsj: gloves Re: fsj: gloves fsj: western wheelin' fsj: tire press? fsj: Re: gas tank removal fsj: Re: My J-10 is up and running... Re: fsj: tire press? fsj: speaking of axles FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:10:53 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: What's a Stroker 6? I've been asked that, so again, here it is in a nutshell. First, the 4.0L is a bigger bore and shorter stroke than the 4.2L, so putting the 4.2L crank and rods in the 4.2L block will give you 4.5L (and add EFI, etc from the 4.0L) A 4.0L block with no wear in the cylinders would be a bonus find, but not likely (or a 4.2L!) If you need to bore, go to the H802CP pistons in the 4.0L block with the 4.2L crank and rods (which are same as a 360 rods) and whichever head and fuel system you prefer on your new, MEGA powered 4.5-4.8L engine (depending on bore) That's what I'm doing, but because I'm using a hi comp shaved 4.0L HO head, I don't really want 10.5:1 compression, so I'm going with the 401 rods. Elmo has a 4.0L HO grind cam already, and I can tell you the only time it pinged was under extreme load at high temp on lousy gas! That was set at 20 degrees advance. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:18:34 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: [1FSJ] Re: fsj: My J-10 is up and running... A: Got to agree on the Hyundai Yech smells! Sonatas are better, but I like the Stellar (built '83 to '88 but only imported to Canada) which was just a '70's Dodge colt RWD with a Audi 3000 styled body. I had about 6 of those and worked on lots more (power windows and leaky sunroofs were a pain) and I even put one of the 1.6L engines in a D50 4x4 pickup (and they said it wouldn't work! MUAHAHAHHAHA!) Gutless, but 40 mpg was nothing to sneeze at! (Canadian gallon) From: john I'd suggest a Rabbit... Diesel... for economy, durability, etc. Steer clear of Hyuandi... very clear... major junk. A Renault Alliance would be more reliable... An aluminum engine vega would be more reliable... a stock Edsel would be more reliable... funny thing is the "Rabbit" theme seems pervasive... so how many bunnies have you set loose upon the world? ;) john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 18:59:47 -0600 From: "Landon Tesar" Subject: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #794 A: Did you clock the filter with the vapour hose in the 12:00 position? Ooops. How important is this ? I put it back just like it was. 4:30. Another thing that might be causing trouble starting is cracks in the fuel line, so the pump can't form a vacuum. I had to pour fuel in the carb last night. I don't think anyone's replaced any hoses on this thing, other than vacuum hoses. - - Landon '89 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 02:17:58 GMT From: Robert Barry Subject: Re: fsj: gloves >> >>I don't know if any of you folks have used the Mechanix gloves, but I [snip] >>I usually buy the disposable rubber gloves, two boxes of 100 each for around >>$10 at costco... Some of the drawbacks to using rubber gloves is that [snip] >What about your forearms, face, neck, triceps ect.. ect.. ? >I really get into my work .. grin.. >I like the Go Jo Orange pumice cleaner. Pep-Boys sells boxes of latex gloves, 100 for about $5-6 (they have a 50-count box sometimes for around $3). I'll go through a few pairs in any given job; anytime it gets too greasy, I'll just strip off the glove and put on a new one. I've been fond of the cheap generic waterless hand-cleaner (usually $.99/12oz tub), as I could rub it into my hands and then wipe it off with a disposable shop-rag without having to go inside to wash in the sink. This stuff is also great for getting the ground-in grease stains out of clothing and sneakers (I've been putting the Soak and Pre-Wash cycles on our washing machine through the paces...). The trick is to just keep rubbing it in, even if the cleaner gets greasy, as it emulsifies the grease in the ridges in the skin and around the fingernails, so eventually it all comes off. I've got a pump bottle of Go-Jo Fast Orange down at the sink in the basement, which is good for getting off any leftover grease, and it takes away the petroleum smell of the waterless cleaner (which nauseates my 6-month pregnant wife, even before she became pregnant, but moreso now). This is also the spot where the washing-machines are, so what I'll usually do is go down in my good clothes, change into my work clothes, work on the truck, go into the basement to strip down and wash up, throw the clothes right into the wash, and get dressed for life in the real world... This kind of routine took me about 15 years to perfect. Before I found out about waterless hand-cleaner and latex work-gloves, I would get grease in my fingers that would last for *weeks*, I tracked grease all through the house, my clothes become permanently ruined, etc. Now, I can work on something and be looking like a normal human being in about 15 minutes... ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:11:31 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: gloves At 02:17 AM 3/29/00 GMT, Robert Barry wrote: >>>I usually buy the disposable rubber gloves, two boxes of 100 each for around >>>$10 at costco... > [snip] >Pep-Boys sells boxes of latex gloves, 100 for about $5-6 (they have a >50-count box sometimes for around $3). Costco gets about $9.95 for 2 - 100 count boxes. Sounds like the cost is about the same... some savings at Costco ain't it... ;) I have seen some of the brands offered at the parts stores and such, and the quality isn't quite as good... they don't hold up as well. But hey, you're gonna through them away... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:39:00 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: My J-10 is up and running... > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 17:03:15 -0600 > From: "R.J. Baynum" (snip) > and looked a a Toyota Terciel (89).. > I wish I could find another Subaru, like I used to have.. a 1800, GL wagon, > 4wd (83) (snip) > So if you have any ideas let me hear them. Tercel durability is legendary. That's why we bought a used '95 for my wife to commute in. My brother-in-law put 100K on one that was actually the good halves of two wrecked ones welded together. I had buddy with one that he slapped chains on one spring when the Q-trac chain on his Waggy gave up. He was the only one who could get up the mud-hole they called a road and spent 2 weeks pulling everybody else out. When I lived in the Carolinas I saw alot of Omnis and Horizons - even had one. We got as many miles out of it as we did the '87 Subaru wagon. I finally sold it when the rear strut towers rusted through - too many years in Maine. That guy fixed it up and drove it for years till his wife took it to town (20 miles) with the the oil fill cap off. It had a 3 speed auto that got terrible mileage (22 highway), but the later ones from the mid-80's had 5 speeds. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:41:10 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Loose Steering column "Ronnie Brown" writes: >> Have been offlist for awhile. Need your help. Where can I find the instructions someone once wrote on how to tighten up the four bolts i= n the steering column? << Ronnie, Someone did a How To on the subject. If you don't find it on John's page, try the Tech. Section on the IFSJA site: http://home.off-road.com/~ifsja Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 28-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:41:09 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Lack of Spring clearance bradley.a.berry-at-lmco.com writes: >> So the question of the hour to all of you who have replaced your springs, is what kind of curvature should I expect to see on a standard spring, or what kind of clearance should there be between the axle tube a= nd frame? If anyone has a set of stock springs laying around which aren't totally worn out, can they measure them for me for comparison? << Well, I don't qualify exactly. Since I have a set of custom National Springs, but they haven't made it any further than my garage floor. It's = so hard to take apart a perfectly good FSJ that's been 100% reliable since n= ew and has good factory springs :-). I lifted the left rear tire off the floor 13" over the weekend to make some fender clearance measurements and I still had 2 1/2" to go before th= e the snubber hit the axle tube. I'd have gone further than 13" off the ground but the board I had between the floor jack and the tire was making= breaking noises and I stuffed the tire far enough into the wheel well for= my purposes. What I can do is look at the frame dimension diagram and give you the exact measurements between the leaf mounts and I think the exact length o= f the leafs themselves are somewhere too? This would be from a '79 Service Manual and I don't think there were any dimensional changes between '79 a= nd '91. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 28-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 23:41:11 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: looking for a jack john writes: >> You know... after owning 11 Full Size Jeeps... I don't ever recall actually having one that came with a stock jack... You know what? I don= 't even think I know what a stock Wagoneer jack is supposed to look like! << The '79 and up jacks for Wag's and Chero's has a little hook which fits i= n the slots on the bumpers and they work remarkably well despite the fact t= he bumper flexes a lot when you jack one corner-up. The jack comes in a nylon bag and is originally stored in the right rear quarter panel behind the removable side trim where it can trap moisture and speed-up rust :-). I keep it stored just behind the rear sea= t as a result. Like James, I carry a high-lift jack when going off-road and I also carry= a hydraulic bottle jack or two as well. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 28-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 20:48:03 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: the Wagonator gets to follow a U-haul... The Wagonator has a slight problem... not to worry... it'll make it to Tim's new house in California... here's his message :) john >>>> >>>> >>>> John ,We have closed on the sale of our house(thanks be to God) I cannot communicate, my phone is shut off. I will have a new Email address from now on. as follows:timfisher.Freeway.com. I am using my neighbors computer I am on totally unfamiliar territory, I cannot even figure out how to get my email from someone else's computer( I assume that is possible) Anyway I have damaged the mighty cad motor in the Jeeeep(it has a knock) from too many high RPM burnouts. So I will tow it to CA, I will rent a U-haul and build a tow bar So I anticipate a boring uneventful drive(albeit slow) I cannot figureout how to communicate with the FSJ list(majordomo?) so if you think anyone cares perhaps you can post my new address for me. I will arrive in CA in about 4 days, april 2 or 3 I want to tell you John over the last few weeks as my prideful,fleshly nature has gotten in the way (if you have ever sold a house you know what I mean) it has been hard for me to remain patient and keep a servant's heart.remaining focused on God's will has been almost impossable. But I have continued doing the "right thing"(obediantly rather than joyfully) and I suppose that is a victory of sorts. and I can see God has honored that. So I will pick up my email in CA in a few days. I humbly request your prayers for my family as we travel, and setup a new life in CA yours in Christ Timothy Mark Fisher <<<< <<<< <<<< - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 00:36:47 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: gloves john writes: >> I usually buy the disposable rubber gloves, two boxes of 100 each for around $10 at costco... Some of the drawbacks to using rubber glove= s is that they dissolve in gasoline or Diesel, will tear in caught on a scr= ew (of course your flesh would be left behind too), your hands get sweaty an= d funky and working with duct tape or electrical tape could earn you a spot= on funniest home videos. :) << Never tried submerging latex gloves in gas big time, but they "poof" up when you use them with automotive solvent. Nitrile doesn't poof-up but, they're harder to get on, tear just as easily and are more expensive. I also have on box of vinyl gloves at the moment which are really not that bad. They're easy to put on since they're loose fitting and they tear jus= t a little easier than latex. And they're cheap. I'm constantly tightening part of a glove in a fastener causing me to bac= k it off to get it back out. I'm sure you've been there. Working with stick= y stuff like 3M automotive weatherstrip can be handled a lot easier by oili= ng the gloves before you handle the sticky stuff. I usually use Marvel air tool oil since that's what I oil my air tools with. I also like the hand cleaners with pumice but, I use the creamy kind to get oil and grease stains out of clothing. Just work the creamy stuff int= o the stains, let it sit for 5 mins or so and throw them in the washer. Wor= ks darn near every time. Also works to lift oil and grease stains out of carpet or upholstery. And you may ask what a guy who has three different kinds of gloves in his garage needs with hand cleaner in the 1st place? Well, I still haven't figured-out a way to handle tape with any of them on :-). Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 28-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:59:56 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: gloves At 12:36 AM 3/29/00 -0500, Michael Baxter wrote: >And you may ask what a guy who has three different kinds of gloves in >his garage needs with hand cleaner in the 1st place? Well, I still >haven't figured-out a way to handle tape with any of them on :-). The other problem is getting your wrists and forearms clean... :) I used to get these really nice gloves at intel... solvent resistant. I'd save my old gloves from work. Couldn't reuse them in the wafer fab because they were contaminated after use. So I'd take 'em home and save 'em. My supply lasted me nearly 5 years. :) The playtex gloves used for washing dishes don't work very good... too hard to get on and off, not tactile control. The best thing I've found is two pair of the costco specials. :) WHat I do is take untorn ones and toss 'em in a bucket in my shop. Then when I start working I'll put on one new pair and grab a used pair out of the bucket for working... I'll even use three pair if I'm gonna get into something really nasty. Working with gas requires pulling 'em off right away... the gas smell goes right through them and drives my allergies nuts. :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 22:31:04 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: western wheelin' >> Only 130 miles away? Boy, glad I'm glad I live out west. >> Paul >> (Born in Springfield, IL, but no plans to move back ;) Hey, I was born in Elgin, IL. :) I went back... didn't see no mountains so I didn't stay. (there is a standing rule out here: if the sun is out you can see the mountains. ;) (alternate version... how do we forecast the weather? Well, if you can see Mt. Rainier it's gonna rain, if you can't see it, it is raining... pretty simple. ;) I'm really bummed that more and more of the trails and forest service roads around here are getting closed off... And not because Paul hasn't fought a good fight in trying to keep them open! He's been very active in local 4x4 groups. I met Paul through the Boeing 4x4 club. We have so much out here it's incredible. It's beautiful. Sure, it rains 9 months of the year... but we still get less rain fall than Chicago! (Chicago gets 55", Seattle gets 35" plus or minus... ;) I'm kind of disappointed in our weather this winter... no snow. :( one good frost... on the other hand, we didn't have record rainfall like last year... man that was a wet winter... :) How was the snow back east? One thing we do have while wheeling is water and mud... or trails that have been washed out from water... When Paul says that the trail minimum is 31" tires he's usually saying you're gonna get wet and stuck if you go with less... ;) I'm running 30" bfg's on the little wagoneer and if I hadn't had a locker in the rear I would have been using a tow strap. :) As a result of running 30's I ended up mangling my skid plates and crossmembers... On these deeply rutted trails it ain't lift that helps so much as tall (and skinny) tires. I'm getting my 77 Wagoneer back... maybe I should think about setting it up for serious trail use... Hey Paul, do you have to insure a rig you run on a trail? License isn't a big problem, but insuring another rig isn't an option... that's why I got rid of my Diesel Benz... Well... I'm dreamin'... I'm just gonna sell it and use the money for something else... ;) (although it would be cool to make a 4 door crew cab with a long bed out of the 77 wag and an 81 J10... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:46:01 -0700 From: bradley.a.berry-at-lmco.com Subject: fsj: tire press? Here's an amazingly basic question... I just put a set of Michelin LTX 31x10.5s on my stock 88 rims. What tire pressure should I run in these? The tire store put set higher than normal, but maybe there's a reason... How many points are there on the front suspension to grease? I found 2 outer tie rods, the pitman arm, and a center link connection. All of the ball joints were sealed, and I didn't see anything in the U-joints. Did I miss something? Brad 88 GW ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:25:36 EST From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: gas tank removal In a message dated 3/28/00 3:59:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, john wrote about the "inspection" of his trailer: > Didn't even look at my welding job, which looks more like > a lava flow than a welding job, the trailer lights, hitch or > anything else... > > Oh yeah, for my $55 they stuck a Washington State Police > decal attached with rivets... Isn't the Washington State Motto a Chinook Indian word meaning "oh, well..." (with a shrug)?! ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ Nevada State motto: "All we want is all you got" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:52:47 EST From: OrigamiTB-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: My J-10 is up and running... In a message dated 3/28/00 4:01:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, R.J. Baynum asked: > Did you know that Volvo's last longer then most cars? Yep; when I met my wife in '95, she was an impoverished single mom driving a beat-up '75 Volvo station wagon that had one of the best-running four-bangers that I've ever seen, despite having received no care whatsoever. (I bought her a mommy-van last year) > I wish I could find another Subaru, like I used to have.. > ... > But.. For some reason, true but too strange.. > Here in Huntsville Alabama, There are no Subarus! I never see any old Subarus, and I think the reason is that when they start to get old, everything falls apart quickly (rather than a bit at a time, like our FSJs), maintenance becomes too big a job to handle, and the car heads for the junkyard. ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ not leaving Las Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:26:46 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: tire press? At 05:46 AM 3/29/00 -0700, bradley.a.berry-at-lmco.com wrote: >Here's an amazingly basic question... > >I just put a set of Michelin LTX 31x10.5s on my stock 88 rims. What tire >pressure should I run in these? The tire store put set higher than normal, >but maybe there's a reason... you mean besides the thought that they're idiots? ;) They pumped my tires up to 50 pounds since my Michelin LTX's will take that much... However, I suggested that we run them about 28 pounds so that my fillings will remain in my teeth and my J10 won't split in too on the first bump... I'm beginning to think that 28lbs is too much too... I may drop to 24 lbs. They pump 'em up pretty high because the tires tend to last longer that way, you get better mileage (theoretically) and the tires don't overheat when you overload them. Running a tire at too low of a pressure is more harmful than a high pressure. (imo). >How many points are there on the front suspension to grease? I found 2 >outer tie rods, the pitman arm, and a center link connection. All of the >ball joints were sealed, and I didn't see anything in the U-joints. Did I >miss something? you'll need a needle attachment to get into the double cardan stuff... there are lots of u-joints out there that don't have a zerk fitting... > >Brad > >88 GW > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:29:24 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: speaking of axles At 08:28 PM 3/28/00 -0800, greg.a.kitsinian-at-us.arthurandersen.com wrote: >How's the rear axle coming along Paul? BTW, anyone got a spare axle for a Dana 35 (rear axle, passenger side, 88 xj) Mine is bent, has been since before I bought it... but when I did the rear discs and changed the bearings it didn't get put back the right way and vibrates a bit now... it's visibily bowed. Otherwise it's a trip to Olympic... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #795 *************************