From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Mar 29 17:16:55 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, March 29 2000 Volume 01 : Number 796 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: tire press? fsj: Re: What's a Stroker 6? fsj: Re: tire press? Re: fsj: Re: What's a Stroker 6? fsj: funny guy... Re: fsj: Re: My J-10 is up and running... Re: fsj: gloves Re: fsj: tire press? fsj: Black Rock Desert trip is on for May 19 fsj: Black Rock Desert trip is on for May 19 Re: fsj: Re: What's a Stroker 6? Re: fsj: Re: tire press? Re: fsj: speaking of axles Re: fsj: tire press? Re: fsj: Re: tire press? fsj: Re: Pure Jeep enjoyment fsj: Re: About a J-10 Re: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #794 fsj: no wonder... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:06:26 PST From: "michel balea" Subject: Re: fsj: tire press? With the 235/75 15 i put 30/32 for freeway, you can drop to 25, but so will your mileage... from 13 to 10 (this is mixed driving). Original sticker with the H size said 24.... You can inflate until the rolling part of the rubber start to lift up from the ground, of course monitor the real pressure. Michel 74 wag ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:08:44 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: What's a Stroker 6? In a message dated 3/29/2000 9:40:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: > Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:10:53 -0800 (PST) > From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) > > I've been asked that, so again, here it is in a nutshell. > > First, the 4.0L is a bigger bore and shorter stroke than the 4.2L, so > putting the 4.2L crank and rods in the 4.2L block will give you 4.5L > (and add EFI, etc from the 4.0L) (snip) You mean the 4.2 crank and rods in a 4.0 block, right? Which is the traditional 258? What are the drivability and wrenching differences between the 4.2 and 4.0? Ben Williams(budding 6-aholic?) '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 13:31:02 EST From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: tire press? In a message dated 3/29/2000 9:40:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: > Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 05:46:01 -0700 > From: bradley.a.berry-at-lmco.com > > Here's an amazingly basic question... > > I just put a set of Michelin LTX 31x10.5s on my stock 88 rims. What tire > pressure should I run in these? The tire store put set higher than normal, > but maybe there's a reason... Ideal on-road tire pressure really depends on the vehicle and the tire. The variables are vehicle weight, the load it's carrying, and tire construction. What's best for the tire is to find the pressure that results in even treadwear across the tread. That doesn't always result in ideal handling or ride, however. One way is to start out a bit on the high side and then drive through a puddle or just wet the tread with a rag. Look at the tread pattern it leaves on the pavement, and let air out until the full width of the tread leaves an impression on the pavement. Or you can just check the treadwear once a week (we oughta check air pressure that often anyway) and adjust the pressure based on what you see - if anything. If the wear is in the middle, lower the pressure. If it's on the outside rims of the tire then raise the pressure. > How many points are there on the front suspension to grease? I found 2 > outer tie rods, the pitman arm, and a center link connection. All of the > ball joints were sealed, and I didn't see anything in the U-joints. Did I > miss something? That sounds about right. You can get grease-able axle shaft u-joints, but it may not be worth while. Based on my experience, grease-able ball joints are a waste of time. They both came "sealed" from the factory. It you want to poke a little grease between the leaf spring ends that's usually a good idea. I'll assume you know where the zerks are on the driveline. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:34:03 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: What's a Stroker 6? the 4.0L in stock form is a very good engine, plenty of power, very reliable, mine has close to 200,000 miles on it. It is fuel injected. the 4.2L (258) in stock form is also a good engine, adequate power, very reliable. Dennis/doc's timex has about 200,000 miles on his, superdawg only has 132k, but doing nicely. The combination of the 258 crank in the 4.0L block has been discussed at lenghth on the xj list... I need to build a good search engine on my site so you can read all about it in the http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/digests area john At 01:08 PM 3/29/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/29/2000 9:40:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, >owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: > >> Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 16:10:53 -0800 (PST) >> From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) >> >> I've been asked that, so again, here it is in a nutshell. >> >> First, the 4.0L is a bigger bore and shorter stroke than the 4.2L, so >> putting the 4.2L crank and rods in the 4.2L block will give you 4.5L >> (and add EFI, etc from the 4.0L) >(snip) > >You mean the 4.2 crank and rods in a 4.0 block, right? > >Which is the traditional 258? > >What are the drivability and wrenching differences between the 4.2 and 4.0? > >Ben Williams(budding 6-aholic?) >'71 Wagoneer >'78 F-250 4x4 > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 10:34:17 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: funny guy... >Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 21:20:54 -0800 (PST) >From: "Paul W." >Subject: Re: xj: compushift vs. a manual test box >Hey, I don't know what all the fuss is about. My automatic has a selection for >1 & 2... I just don't have a 4th gear ;) >Paul Oh, then you obviously have the french canadian version... it's labeled under "N". Lots of the Full Size Jeeps have this option too... for "nounx-chalauntlyx de zilleex pursounx vill go fastx dounx ze hillex" Seems to work quite well on long downhill runs... of course, like most overdrives it's hard to use it going up hill, newer models installed a pedal adjacent to the brake pedal to assist the driver. Of course the "N" option still exists on the newer models, but they had to remove it from the owner's manual after the break up with Renault... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 12:53:03 -0600 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Re: My J-10 is up and running... nope,, they were everywhere in the northwest, esp in Juneau Ak. from the late 70's to the mid to late 80's, there are a lot! and on the east side of the cascades, more so, with virtually no rust. here it's ford and dodge chevy trucks.. very patriotic around here, although Toyota's are abundant. almost Everyone in Huntsville has a nice car , or a very nice expensive car. Very high tech here, (NASA) ect. R.J. OrigamiTB-at-aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/28/00 4:01:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, R.J. Baynum > asked: > > > Did you know that Volvo's last longer then most cars? > > Yep; when I met my wife in '95, she was an impoverished single mom driving a > beat-up '75 Volvo station wagon that had one of the best-running four-bangers > that I've ever seen, despite having received no care whatsoever. (I bought > her a mommy-van last year) > > > I wish I could find another Subaru, like I used to have.. > > ... > > But.. For some reason, true but too strange.. > > Here in Huntsville Alabama, There are no Subarus! > > I never see any old Subarus, and I think the reason is that when they start > to get old, everything falls apart quickly (rather than a bit at a time, like > our FSJs), maintenance becomes too big a job to handle, and the car heads for > the junkyard. > > ++ Cornel Ormsby ++ > not leaving Las Vegas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:14:14 -0500 From: Robert Barry Subject: Re: fsj: gloves >Never tried submerging latex gloves in gas big time, but they "poof" up >when you use them with automotive solvent. Nitrile doesn't poof-up but, I've found the latex gloves to weaken when contacted by brake-cleaner; just means I have to strip them off and replace them sooner. [snip] >And you may ask what a guy who has three different kinds of gloves in >his garage needs with hand cleaner in the 1st place? Well, I still >haven't figured-out a way to handle tape with any of them on :-). I haven't been too fanatic about keeping all grease off my hands; the gloves just keep off the majority. I am stripping off a layer of rattle-can on my Cherokee, which involves using paint-thinner and lots of rubbing, so for that I will use chemical-resistant gloves- just found a blue pair with a textured surface that I'm going to try out. ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:11:23 -0500 From: Robert Barry Subject: Re: fsj: tire press? >I just put a set of Michelin LTX 31x10.5s on my stock 88 rims. What tire >pressure should I run in these? The tire store put set higher than normal, >but maybe there's a reason... Start with the factory-recommended pressures (32psi, I think) and adjust from there. ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:52:50 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Black Rock Desert trip is on for May 19 Thanks to input from the 8 members of the FSJ community who e-mailed me with interest in getting together for a FSJ run on and around the Black Rock Desert, we arrived at a date. May 19-21. The plan is everyone except Brad S. will meet in Reno about Noon on Frida= y the 19th and we'll convoy up there. Brad will meet us in Gerlach, NV sinc= e he's coming down from Oregon. We'll explore some really unique topography while camping overnight two nights. We won't take any through trails that a stock FSJ can't negotiate without body damage. Right now there are 5 or 6 of us going. Mac needs to get his J-truck running well and John Holderman is working on getting enough time off to drive one of his FSJs from Utah. If you'd like to join us, e-mail me. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 28-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:52:50 -0500 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: Black Rock Desert trip is on for May 19 Thanks to input from the 8 members of the FSJ community who e-mailed me with interest in getting together for a FSJ run on and around the Black Rock Desert, we arrived at a date. May 19-21. The plan is everyone except Brad S. will meet in Reno about Noon on Frida= y the 19th and we'll convoy up there. Brad will meet us in Gerlach, NV sinc= e he's coming down from Oregon. We'll explore some really unique topography while camping overnight two nights. We won't take any through trails that a stock FSJ can't negotiate without body damage. Right now there are 5 or 6 of us going. Mac needs to get his J-truck running well and John Holderman is working on getting enough time off to drive one of his FSJs from Utah. If you'd like to join us, e-mail me. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 28-Mar-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:26:41 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: What's a Stroker 6? A: 4.2L is very much a 258 (like Elmo has, and there is who knows how many 100K on it, and I put over 100K myself in 4 years) but it was lightened considerably. If you want to know more about strokers, we have a list dedicated specifically to them on Egroups (which is co-joint with onelist.com) under Strokers (duh! ). The archives are available there too, and there is a MOUNTAIN of EFI and bore/stroke/quench info there! The only real wrenching differences between the 4.0 and 4.2 are external accessories (the 4.0L put everything on a serp belt, like the late model 4.2s. Elmo's motor was serp belt originally) John wrote: the 4.0L in stock form is a very good engine, plenty of power, very reliable, mine has close to 200,000 miles on it. It is fuel injected. the 4.2L (258) in stock form is also a good engine, adequate power, very reliable. Dennis/doc's timex has about 200,000 miles on his, superdawg only has 132k, but doing nicely. The combination of the 258 crank in the 4.0L block has been discussed at lenghth on the xj list... I need to build a good search engine on my site so you can read all about it in the http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/digests area john At 01:08 PM 3/29/00 EST, Brazzadog-at-aol.com wrote: =A0From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) =A0I've been asked that, so again, here it is in a nutshell. =A0First, the 4.0L is a bigger bore and shorter stroke than the 4.2L, so =A0putting the 4.2L crank and rods in the 4.2L block will give you 4.5L =A0(and add EFI, etc from the 4.0L) (snip) You mean the 4.2 crank and rods in a 4.0 block, right? Which is the traditional 258? What are the drivability and wrenching differences between the 4.2 and 4.0? Ben Williams(budding 6-aholic?) '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:33:55 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: tire press? bradley.a.berry-at-lmco.com =A0Here's an amazingly basic question... =A0I just put a set of Michelin LTX 31x10.5s on my stock 88 rims. What tire =A0pressure should I run in these? The tire store put set higher than normal, =A0but maybe there's a reason... Ben wrote: Ideal on-road tire pressure really depends on the vehicle and the tire. The variables are vehicle weight, the load it's carrying, and tire construction. What's best for the tire is to find the pressure that results in even treadwear across the tread. That doesn't always result in ideal handling or ride, however. One way is to start out a bit on the high side and then drive through a puddle or just wet the tread with a rag. Look at the tread pattern it leaves on the pavement, and let air out until the full width of the tread leaves an impression on the pavement. Or you can just check the treadwear once a week (we oughta check air pressure that often anyway) and adjust the pressure based on what you see - if anything. If the wear is in the middle, lower the pressure. If it's on the outside rims of the tire then raise the pressure. A: I'm bad! I check MAYBE once a month. =A0=A0=A0=A0 >How many points are there on the front suspension to grease? I found 2 outer tie rods, the pitman arm, and a center link connection. All of the ball joints were sealed, and I didn't see anything in the U-joints. Did I miss something? Ben wrote: That sounds about right. You can get grease-able axle shaft u-joints, but it may not be worth while. Based on my experience, grease-able ball joints are a waste of time. They both came "sealed" from the factory. It you want to poke a little grease between the leaf spring ends that's usually a good idea. =A0=A0I'll assume you know where the zerks are on the driveline. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 A: I agree! Sealed units are the way to go, but manually put some grease in them during installation, and they probably won't need replacing for years (that's what I do. My neighbour complained 5 years ago he had to put new U joints in every 6 months while I was replacing his. I just redid it for the first time since a month ago! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:45:07 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: speaking of axles A: The wrecking yard I mentioned has a complete D35 for $150, but it's from an MJ (are they same length?) I'd like to get the old one for comparison to an Eagle axle! At 08:28 PM 3/28/00 -0800, greg.a.kitsinian-at-us.arthurandersen.com wrote: How's the rear axle coming along Paul? BTW, anyone got a spare axle for a Dana 35 (rear axle, passenger side, 88 xj) Mine is bent, has been since before I bought it... but when I did the rear discs and changed the bearings it didn't get put back the right way and vibrates a bit now... it's visibily bowed. Otherwise it's a trip to Olympic... ;) john ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 15:57:45 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: tire press? >At 05:46 AM 3/29/00 -0700, bradley.a.berry-at-lmco.com wrote: Here's an amazingly basic question... I just put a set of Michelin LTX 31x10.5s on my stock 88 rims. What tire pressure should I run in these? The tire store put set higher than normal, but maybe there's a reason... John wrote: >you mean besides the thought that they're idiots? ;) They pumped my tires up to 50 pounds since my Michelin LTX's will take that much... However, I suggested that we run them about 28 pounds so that my fillings will remain in my teeth and my J10 won't split in too on the first bump... I'm beginning to think that 28lbs is too much too... I may drop to 24 lbs. A: Why not just get GOOD shocks? I run 32-35 in Elmo's tires, and it rides nicer than my wife's new Ranger! >They pump 'em up pretty high because the tires tend to last longer that way, you get better mileage (theoretically) and the tires don't overheat when you overload them. Running a tire at too low of a pressure is more harmful than a high pressure. (imo). A: Not theoretical! It's been tested on long trips, and I found the same with Elmo. Especially at highway speeds and hills, I notice the difference in power! Mind you the mileage is more theoretical with a V8! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:25:16 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Re: tire press? >A: I'm bad! I check MAYBE once a month. check it? I thought it was "set and forget"... just like UNIX. ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:37:10 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Pure Jeep enjoyment At 10:05 AM 3/29/00 -0600, Jon Lyles wrote: > John, I have really enjoyed visiting your site. My family has a >history of Jeeps. My father had a FSJ pickup when I was young and have >been a fan ever since. My father now owns a right hand drive XJ and my >wife drives a '94 ZJ. We are interested in FSJ Wagoneers and are >entertaining the idea of buying one if we can find one that fits. I >agree with your approach of buying one cheap that needs work. After >all, to me the fun is working to bring an old warrior back to life. I >noticed that you frequently mentioned the notion of dieseling "Old >Blue." I am particularly interested in this endeavor and was wondering >if you have made any progress or still dreaming? With the current >escalating gas prices the purchase of a FSJ is more appealing with the >notion of a possible diesel transplant. Thanks again for the site. I >enjoyed it very much. I also appreciate your Christian witness and am >pleased whenever I see the cause of Christ raised high. Just for your >info. I live in NE Alabama. How does it feel to know the annals of Old >Blue have made it diagonally across the country? Good to hear from you. :) On the Diesel project... well, it's still a dream thanks to several issues, the primary one being I don't own Old Blue any more. Secondary reasons included the hassles of getting it licensed, emissioned and so on... and of course finding a suitable engine. One of the guy son the FSJ list is up in your neighborhood. My Senior Pastor came from Alabama... I've driven through Alabama once... quickly... ;) just kidding... we were on our way out of the army and back to Oregon. On the fuel economy thing, a 258 is the way to go if you want to avoid hassles. I've got a 4.0L sitting around I can use as well. My 83 J10 has the 258 and I'm quite happy with it. btw, details on how to get on the fsj list are below... ttyl, john ============================================================================ ========== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to any of the lists to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). Please do not send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text to the lists. 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He's looking for body parts, from what >he tells me, it's a rust bucket, but the drive train was good. I'm looking >for anything, catalogs, places to look, web sites, ect, anything that could >help. I really appriciate it!! > >Jerry Murphy > >OBX Jeepster > >'92 CJ-9 JEPN S& > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:01:08 -0800 (PST) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: fsj-digest V1 #794 I wrote: Did you clock the filter with the vapour hose in the 12:00 position? Landon=A0Tesar wrote: Ooops. How important is this ? I put it back just like it was. 4:30. A: It can keep nasty running problems from happening, like flooding from heat soak causing vapor lock. L: >Another thing that might be causing trouble starting is cracks in the fuel line, so the pump can't form a vacuum. I had to pour fuel in the carb last night. I don't think anyone's replaced any hoses on this thing, other than vacuum hoses. A: Sounds like you need to get on that! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 17:13:15 -0800 From: john Subject: fsj: no wonder... no wonder I can't find anything... Just counted the number of web pages I have on my server... 1,741 html pages 1,151 txt pages (digests, misc. email and notes) that's 2,892 files of information... oh yeah, 2,902 jpgs and 667 gifs :) total space: 436,661,000 bytes... 436 Meg (only running at 24% of my total server filespace though... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #796 *************************