From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Apr 18 11:38:33 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, April 18 2000 Volume 01 : Number 822 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: underground parts system and FL update fsj: Carb fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? fsj: '83 Wagoneer body and interror parts... Seattle area Re: fsj: '83 Wagoneer body and interror parts... Seattle area Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? fsj: Re: Carb Re: fsj: underground parts system and FL update fsj: RE: Valve covers fsj: Re: Tailgate fsj: Tailgate fsj: Aw-4 blah! fsj: Re: Aw-4 blah! Re: fsj: Re: Aw-4 blah! Re: fsj: Tailgate fsj: axle numbers FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 09:59:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: underground parts system and FL update So far so good. Got together with doc Saturday night to drop off his still cold A/C compressor for his XJ. Got to see the bottomless xfr case sitting in the bed. Doc's xj ate the a/c compressor which shredded the serpentine belt which resulted in a large tow bill which resulted in his not having the money to rebuild his "new" monster tranny setup. Which worked well for me since I didn't bring coveralls and would have died from heat exhaustion if I'd try to wear them. :) Interesting to hear that doc's tranny had come from down under... I missed that when he was telling me about it. I guess I was distracted by the state of Timex... she's been sadly neglected the last couple of years. His xj is nice, even though it's only a 2wd. Traveling with an A/C compressor in your suitcase makes for some interesting moments... like the look on the shuttle drivers face when he tries to lift the suitcase... or how much your dad's hyaundi drops in the back when you put it in the trunk... :) Anyway, yesterday doc and I got together with is wife and 15 yr old son and looked at pictures and chatted, then we dropped of my luggage (sans large FSJ components) at the hotel and went looking for Tony Romas, instead ended up at OUTBACK. Doc and family hadn't been to one before, so it was an adventure. After dinner we went over to Walmart where I bought some Seattle survival gear... aka, shorts... ;) oh, and a lightweight cap... leather is way too warm here... :) We got to see Seattle's annual rainful in one little display of Florida weather while waiting to get into Outback... The raindrops were as large as watermelons... ok, apples... ok, big grapes... either way, there must have been 3 to 4 inches in that one storm... Seattle would have flooded. Tomorrow night I might meet up with Tom Collins, and later in the week will be running over to Melbourne to hook up with a couple other folks... Well, back to class... later, john - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/ --> Please don't leave life without Jesus <-- for solid PC computing, try LINUX: http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/LINUX UNIX rules the internet and engineering computing - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:31:45 -0500 From: "Bob Bradfield" Subject: fsj: Carb Do I have to swap out my stock intake to ibstall the Edelbrock 1406 carb? I've been told I should go with the Edelbrock 3176 intake but, I don't understand why. Will the stock intake not accept a 4BBL carb? Thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:52:36 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? In a message dated 4/17/2000 6:59:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net writes: > Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 19:52:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: john (snip) > Know a LOT of xj owners. The consensus is that they > are rock solid. If you talk to knowledgeable > wrecking yard folks they'll tell ya they don't move > many of them... what does that tell ya? If they ain't > sellin' 'em, it's cauz they ain't broke. Try finding > an item that's high failure... :) If they aren't selling them, that definitely means they are in low demand, but that doesn't neccessarily mean it's cause they aren't broken. It could also mean that they aren't worth replacing. I don't think anybody would consider the TH400 a "high failure" piece of junk, however, around here you can't get one at a junkyard because all the tranny shops snap them up as soon as they come in. Just stirring the pot... Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 11:34:15 PDT From: "John Bushnell" Subject: fsj: '83 Wagoneer body and interror parts... Seattle area Picked this add up off of Off-road. Luvmud frequenst the short wheelbase forum, so I assume he stripped the engine and tranny for a CJ project. John Bushnell I have an 83' Wagoneer for sale or parts (minus engine/tranny) in Washington state. Body and interior are in good condition (power everything) AMC 20 rear (stock gears) quad trac t-case good glass lights decals roof rack hood doors, etc. Everything must go no reasonable offer refused! Send me a mail if interested in anything..........will not ship heavy items. Located near Seattle, Washington. luvmud-at-yahoo.com Thanks! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:04:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: '83 Wagoneer body and interror parts... Seattle area Thank you! I was just about to plop down $200 to redo Elmo's rear axle. Most opportune! Now I just have to wait for a call back ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:10:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: xj driveline in an FSJ??? A: The TH400s are mostly going for parts to replace Chev TH350s, not Jeeps! I sold the TH400 I have for $200. The problem with the wrecking yards is that they sell the AW4 for $1200-$600. OUCH! I got mine for $300 (too bad it's 21 spline!) Looks like there wasn't a 23 spline in '90 yet. John wrote: (snip) =A0=A0=A0=A0Know a LOT of xj owners. The consensus is that they are rock solid. If you talk to knowledgeable wrecking yard folks they'll tell ya they don't move many of them... what does that tell ya? If they ain't sellin' 'em, it's cauz they ain't broke. Try finding an item that's high failure... :) Ben Williams wrote: If they aren't selling them, that definitely means they are in low demand, but that doesn't neccessarily mean it's cause they aren't broken. It could also mean that they aren't worth replacing. =A0 I don't think anybody would consider the TH400 a "high failure" piece of junk, however, around here you can't get one at a junkyard because all the tranny shops snap them up as soon as they come in. Just stirring the pot... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: Carb A: I haven't paid too much attention to the V8 stuff, but if you are going new, I'd scoop a Holley Projection to put on for the $150 price difference. That way you won't have to fix anything after you dial it in! The stock manifold requires a special bolt pattern or carb adapter. Bob=A0Bradfield wrote: >Do I have to swap out my stock intake to ibstall the Edelbrock 1406 carb? I've been told I should go with the Edelbrock 3176 intake but, I don't understand why. Will the stock intake not accept a 4BBL carb? Thanks! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:35:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: underground parts system and FL update A: I have 2 of those compressors in my collection now. One will go on Blackie with the serp belt 4.2L setup and Renix or HO EFI (whichever I get the best deal on today, although with the price of gas now, I may do a propane/Nat gas conversion instead). Speaking of trannies, I dug up a T90-AA parts beast I had kicking around, and it has a LONG input shaft! (no bellhousing so I can't remember what I took it from, except I robbed the 2-3 shift collar out of it) Outback is GOOD food! Went there the other night with my wife and had my first steak in a long time (one of the few good things on my restricted diet) Claimjumpers is even better though! Even I walked away full after a regular meal (my birthday last summer). Say hi to Tom for me! (I should have had you smuggle him another tailgate! LOL!) It's a little over 70 degrees here today. My trip to the hospital this AM kind of messed up my schedule, and I have to go see my accountant to get my tax forms to mail (money back! Woohoo! I told my wife we would have had to pay $6,000 this year if I had been working, and she didn't believe me!) The Eagle goes away today as soon as I pull the front brakes. John wrote: So far so good. Got together with doc Saturday night to drop off his still cold A/C compressor for his XJ. Got to see the bottomless xfr case sitting in the bed. Doc's xj ate the a/c compressor which shredded the serpentine belt which resulted in a large tow bill which resulted in his not having the money to rebuild his "new" monster tranny setup. Which worked well for me since I didn't bring coveralls and would have died from heat exhaustion if I'd try to wear them. :) Interesting to hear that doc's tranny had come from down under... I missed that when he was telling me about it. =A0 I guess I was distracted by the state of Timex... she's been sadly neglected the last couple of years. His xj is nice, even though it's only a 2wd. Traveling with an A/C compressor in your suitcase makes for some interesting moments... like the look on the shuttle drivers face when he tries to lift the suitcase... or how much your dad's hyaundi drops in the back when you put it in the trunk... :) Anyway, yesterday doc and I got together with is wife and 15 yr old son and looked at pictures and chatted, then we dropped of my luggage (sans large FSJ components) at the hotel and went looking for Tony Romas, instead ended up at OUTBACK. Doc and family hadn't been to one before, so it was an adventure. =A0 After dinner we went over to Walmart where I bought some Seattle survival gear... aka, shorts... ;) oh, and a lightweight cap... leather is way too warm here... :) We got to see Seattle's annual rainful in one little display of Florida weather while waiting to get into Outback... The raindrops were as large as watermelons... ok, apples... ok, big grapes... either way, there must have been 3 to 4 inches in that one storm... Seattle would have flooded. Tomorrow night I might meet up with Tom Collins, and later in the week will be running over to Melbourne to hook up with a couple other folks... Well, back to class... later, john ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:59:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: RE: Valve covers A: You can use the Ed on the stock intake, if you can find the correct adapter plate. I'd call Edelbrock (I don't have it handy, but their site is http://www.edelbrock.com/tech/index.html Do you have a 2150 or 4150 now? You need to know for the call in. The Ford 2bbl to Carter should work if you have the 2150. No, it's still got the AMC ignition module. I was looking at the HEI set-up, friend told me about it. BTW, will the four BBL Edelbrock 1406 I bought (for a song) work with the stock AMC intake? - -----Original Message----- From: James Blair [mailto:Carnuck-at-webtv.net] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 3:00 PM To: Bob Bradfield Subject: Re: Valve covers Sounds like you hit on at least part of the problem! Did you get a late '70's Dodge electronic ignition coil for it yet? (works good with the Bid setup) Check the oil return holes for buildup of crud (valve seals disintegrate and plug it up) You can replace the seals while the covers are off if you have the knack and the tools. (soft rope fed in the plug holes with the piston down, then turn the piston up to hold the valves up if you don't have the air compressor tools) and a head- on- motor spring compressor (I have one in my box still. Cost about $25) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0The job takes about 2 hours the first time you do it, and with the covers off already, that's half the job done. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 14:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Tailgate On Mon, 17 Apr 2000 Nordstromequip-at-aol.com wrote: >-->John, my tailgate does not properly latch,thus not allowing proper contact, i >-->havta get out and push and push to make sure the contact is made. any >-->suggestions on how to set the gate so it closes secuerly? could be the weatherstripping has turned or pulled out, making it hard to close, or if rust is an issue the hinges could have shifted... or the latch mechanisms could have slid out of position... john >--> >-->Thanks Garry >--> >-->88GW, bored 360 edelbrock goodies >-->82 GW >-->75 wagon,w/45,00 miles >-->83 scrambler,2nd owner >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:21:31 EDT From: HH4PIZZA-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Tailgate I have the same problem, mine is the right hand latch. (on the upper right side of the tailgate.) The latch does not catch anymore, it just spins freely. so the window switch does not make good contact. I new one from the dealer is around $160 minimum. so it goes without saying that mine is still not fixed. the dealer is the only source that i have found for this, one from a junkyard would probably have the same problem. maybe one day the ratling will cause me to by a new one. Later, Dustin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 20:30:57 EDT From: HH4PIZZA-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Aw-4 blah! I have to agree that they do sometimes have problems. I haven't heard of too many, but when they do go, you won't get out the door for under a grand. I was told by three shops that mine would cost no less than 1400 to rebuild, i had just bought my cherokee too, of course I didn't opt for the dealers used car warranty(ouch!) I ended up with a chevy 350 and a 700r4, let me just say it makes me grin at every light. Later, Dustin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:49:41 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Aw-4 blah! In a message dated 4/17/2000 5:30:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, HH4PIZZA writes: > I ended up with a chevy 350 and a 700r4, let me just say it makes me grin at > every light. Is that Cherokee an SJ or an XJ? Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:00:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Aw-4 blah! If someone wants to go a different way, I have a 727 case for a Dodge smallblock engine for $25. (it'll work for a '84-'87? XJ or an '80 to '91 SJ) It even has the hole for EFI sensor! I'm looking for the 23 spline output shaft from a '91 or newer AW4 so I can bolt up the tranny in my '83 Cherokee. (I'm putting the 999 in my '84 Laredo so I can E test it, and tow my old trailer to Tonasket in 2 weeks. I don't think Elmo's worn out diff can handle it, and the motor is going for core for my stroker build. I'm going to Olympic 4x4 tomorrow or Wed AM to get a 4.0L core for the stroker build) Ben Williams wrote: In a message dated 4/17/2000 5:30:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, HH4PIZZA writes: I ended up with a chevy 350 and a 700r4, let me just say it makes me grin at every light. Is that Cherokee an SJ or an XJ? Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 23:19:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Tailgate A: There is a little spring that breaks, or the ratchet mechanism gets rusty. I sprayed mine with PB'laster 2 years ago and it works great! BTW, an AW4 can be home rebuilt for about $300 in parts! And, if you have an SJ, it has a 727 or 999, not a 4 speed auto (unless like some you have both SJ and XJ. Had to cover my butt there! It's sore enough already!) Dustin wrote: I have the same problem, mine is the right hand latch. (on the upper right side of the tailgate.) The latch does not catch anymore, it just spins freely. so the window switch does not make good contact. I new one from the dealer is around $160 minimum. so it goes without saying that mine is still not fixed. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0the dealer is the only source that i have found for this, one from a junkyard would probably have the same problem. maybe one day the ratling will cause me to by a new one. Later, Dustin ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:31:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: axle numbers Off an '82 Wagoneer M20 (I didn't write them down) 428 =A0=A0215 1-at-3235428 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #822 *************************