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fsj-digest            Saturday, May 6 2000            Volume 01 : Number 838



Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps
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Contents:

	fsj: RE: air compressor
	fsj: re: lighting and a screamin' deal!
	RE: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited.
	fsj: Re: air compressor
	fsj: Re: RE: air compressor
	fsj: Fw: Virus stuff
	fsj: J-10 taillights
	fsj: Re: help help im sooo confused
	Re: fsj: air compressor
	fsj: RE: Re: help help im sooo confused
	fsj: Intro - a little long

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:29:51 -0500
From: "The Bear Paw Canoe Co." <bearpaw-at-minot.com>
Subject: fsj: RE: air compressor

 I'm contemplating getting an air compressor for my shop.  I've never
> purchased one before and am not sure what I should look for and/or stay
> away from.  Any thoughts, advice, etc.,  would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Brett
> '83 Wagoneer
>
>
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GET A DIRECT DRIVE ONE!!!!!!!!!  :-)  You'll
go tone deaf within about the first 10 minutes of using it and you'd be
lucky to hear a nuclear blast after about a half an hour :-)  Menards (kinda
like a lowes or home depot) had a really nice compressor for about $350, It
was an upright, 60 gallon 220V beast of a machine. So youdon't have to spend
a lotta coin to get a decent unit.
Doug

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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 11:34:05 -0700
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: re: lighting and a screamin' deal!

From: Doug Wright <wrighdg-at-mindspring.com>
>>>>
>For grins I turned on the fog lights too...  then I did the math.
>check it out!     http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF-lights/40.83-amps.jpg

> Don't you think that's a bit overkill John? :)

well, yes...  But have you ever been up in the mountains, in the
woods, in the rain... at night?    It's dark... very dark...  and
the damp, lush vegetation seems to suck up every light particle emitted
from the front of your vehicle until you can saturate it by brute wattage... 

On my 85 xj I had a pair of those dick cepek style driving lights
and a set of KC fog lamps...  Worked pretty nice... Biggest problem
is when you turn 'em off... you can't see nothin'... rofl...

Overkill for the road maybe...  But very useful for the dimmit - darnit
game... <grin> (provided I remember to remove the covers... ;)  

I got used to very powerful driving lights on the Autobahn with my BMW...

Nice for out on some of our backroads too... it's great to see, safer
too... lots of critters running around loose at night.  When it rains
it's harder to see.  (what do I mean "when" it rains... rofl...)

You make a good point about the replacment headlights being brighter too.
Don't really need all that power, and since my alternator isn't really
up to the task... yet... ;)   I may only use them for wheeling at night
or put smaller bulbs in until I upgrade my alternator.  The IPF wiring
setup is awesome and the thing I like most about the IPF kits.  I'm not
even worried about electrical problems or fire... except the lead from
the alternator to the battery, and that's a fusible link...  ;)

In fact, the reason I went to the H4 loom like you have is because when
I used to turn my high beams on on Superdawg I smelled burning plastic!!!
Turns out the dimmer switch was melting down because of corrosion!

I had similar problems with my 67 Wagoneer... I actually lost my lights
one night wheeling about 60 miles from home, in the rain, at night... ;)
The light switch contacts had corroded and burned up...  In older rigs
I can't say enough good things about the IPF HP Loom kit.  I installed
one finally in Superdawg and it took me all of about 10 minutes... The
lights seemed brighter too!   The list price on the loom kit is $99.00
Not sure what kinds of deals are out there though.  But I got one for
my son's 67 J3000... a C note is a reasonable price to pay to prevent
another FSJ fire.  :)

>>I was putting out about 490 Watts... drawing an estimated 40.83 Amps
>>for just the lights only...   
>
>You've just got me beat ... I max out at 460 watts ... but that's with
>only four lights :)
>
>BTW, those 95/145W IPF bulbs you sold me are great.  I definitely think
>they are better that the PIAA Superwhites I had.  The IPFs are not as white
>but they are brighter and have better coverage.  The PIAAs were 80/80W
>but were supposed to be as bright as 115/135W bulbs.

They quit making the IPF bulbs I really liked. :(  I had 'em in my 
Mercedes and they were awesome.   I'm running the Marine Blue Glow bulbs
in the little wagoneer... nice crisp white light, but not enough intensity...
well, more than standard headlights though.  I'm gonna try a variety 
of bulbs in the 67 J3000 and my 83 J10...  Trying to come up with some
way of quantifying the variations in intensity and current draw...  at 
a loss on how to make a repeatable and consistent test...  I'm also going
to get the whitest light I can with the least power draw...  both my son's
and my FSJ's are older rigs with older style alternators.

BTW, I run a pair of the J-01's on my little wagoneer 
that Bill at Central 4x4 has on sale for $179 (see below).  
They are nice, but if they weren't on sale I'd recommend the fog 
light version only The 610/630 series.  The driving
lights ont the J-01's are better suited as running lights or fill lights
on a trail...  The fog lights work nice though and have a yellowish tint
to them so folks know you have fog lights on and not your high beams.  WHen
I ran a bosch fog light with clear lenses I'd have people flash their high
beams at me...  FWIW, the suggested retail on the J-01's is around $329.99!!!
So Bill's sales price of $179 is incredible, however it only applies if
you're buying the bumper!  Bill said he'd see what kind of deal he can work
out if you don't buy a bumper...  I also checked with him on forwarding this
to the FSJ and Diesel benz list (since he's an XJ owner... ;).

>Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 07:34:28 -0700
>From: "Bill & Jennie" <wvan_tuyl-at-gowebway.com>
>Subject: xj: Unbelievable ARB Deal!
>>     As most of you know, I rarely do business on this list. Every now and
>then, though, a deal comes along that is so good, I  have to pass it along.
> This deal can only be purchased by calling me or e-mailing me direct.
>Expires 5/12/00.
>Phone 1-800-829-9599   e-mail wvan_tuyl-at-gowebway.com

That's a screaming deal Bill is offering on the winch/bar too!  
The ARB bull bar is $650 alone!
and the Warn Winch is pretty close to 6 bills...  If I didn't have the Aussie
Bull bar and 200,000 miles on the little wagoneer I'd be heading over to
Central right now. ;)   Too bad they don't make a bull bar for FSJs. :)

>
>Since the headlights are so good, I don't really see a need for driving
>lights too.  Why do you run them?  My fog lights are PIAA 520s with
>85W bulbs and they add very little to my low beams unless you have
>them aimed really high (i.e. above the low beam cutoff).

For most applications around here I agree with you.  The main purpose
of the driving lights is for forest service roads at night and in the
rain and for night wheeling.  Of course if you're running in a group
the guy ahead of you may not like them very much... rofl...

>
>What I really need is some good backup lights.

The 816 Backup light that IPF offers is great.  The wiring kit includes
the three way switch so you can turn it on anytime, with the backup lights
or not at all. :)  I mounted mine on the spoiler.  List price is over 80
bucks,
when I got mine it was only $55 or so...  I haven't searched the web for
deals though... I checked with Bill at Central 4x4, he says around $70.
	http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/littlewagoneer/dec2298.jpg
  http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/IPF-backup_lights.html

>>Doug
>>wrighdg-at-mindspring.com

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:01:48 -0700 
From: "Fitzgearld, Fredric" <fredric.fitzgearld-at-intel.com>
Subject: RE: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited.

I'm going to dig into it this weekend.  If I screw it up too bad I'll just
grab the "extra" column I have in the shed.  :)

BTW Greg, I still have that Waggy for $1000.  You were the last one to drive
it, I think.

FEF

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Loxtercamp [mailto:greglox-at-yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 8:35 AM
To: Fitzgearld, Fredric
Cc: fsj-at-digest.net
Subject: Re: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited.


OK, guys...I've been incommunicado since I started my
new job in December.  But a friend is in need...so
here I am!

Fred, it's pretty easy...it took me an hour.  I had
the manual for instruction.  Some say there are
special tools, but I didn't have any...don't really
need any...

First you need to get the steering wheel off...either
a steering wheel puller or break it loose by tapping
the shaft with the hammer.  

The other special tool...There are a couple pins
(.25"Dx1"long) that provide the pivot points for the
steering tilt.  Those have to be removed.  Luckily,
there are threads tapped into the pins.  You just have
to find a small bolt to thread into the hole, then
extract with a claw hammer...easy...no need for a
special tool there.

Somewhere, I remember a spring (counterbalance for the
weight of the steering wheel) that's under
tension...it jumped out at me, but, I guess, I found
it and got it put back :)

I think the final bolts to tighten are torx.

So, have at it, jump in, don't loose any part or your
cool.  My tilt was very loose...ohhlala...now it
perfect...


Greg

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:36:41 EDT
From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com
Subject: fsj: Re: air compressor

> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 23:08:50 -0400
>  From: Toboggan Hill Farm <naturally-at-tobogganhill.com>
>  
>  I'm contemplating getting an air compressor for my shop.  I've never
>  purchased one before and am not sure what I should look for and/or stay
>  away from.  Any thoughts, advice, etc.,  would be appreciated.

If you're gonna use air tools stay away from anything "oil-less".  If all 
you're gonna do is inflate tires and pool toys, then one those should be fine.

The technology for an oil bath compressor is pretty basic so pump quality 
shouldn't be too big a deal.  Shop for a big tank and don't worry too much 
about the output of the pump itself.

Ben Williams
'71 Wagoneer
'78 F-250 4x4

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 15:04:57 -0500
From: "GILBERT SCHWARTZ" <gschwartz1-at-earthlink.net>
Subject: fsj: Re: RE: air compressor

A lot  depends on what you want to do with it and how deep your pockets are.
Inflating tires and toys most anything will do. I'd not fool around with
anything oil-less. Don't figure on moving it around much, just get a longer
hose. Myself, I lean to the verticle tank, takes up less space. Get the
biggest tank you can afford/find/have space for. Get a twin cylinder
compressor but not a three phase, 230 volt, (unless you're figuring on
opening a service station).  :<).
If you're going to do any spraying, sandblasting, air tool work, etc. you'll
be thankful for the larger tank. If you're going to permanently wire it,
you'll need connections that don't leak and you'll probably need to wire it
permanent because normal house wiring will have a problem starting a
compressor of any size.
That's enough to get you started. Try some of the larger hardware stores and
look at some they have.

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:19:01 -0400
From: "Ray Drouillard" <RayLists-at-quixnet.net>
Subject: fsj: Fw: Virus stuff

Ugh... I can't seem to keep straight which lists require <reply> and which
(like this one) require <reply all> with the optional deletion of the
originator's address.



- ----- Original Message -----
From: Ray Drouillard <RayLists-at-quixnet.net>
To: Bob Bradfield,MCSE <bobbradfield-at-pdq.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: Virus stuff


> The idiot
> > virus authors are facing 20 years hard time.  We ain't dealing with a
> rocket
> > scientist here, it was just VB Script.  Kinda irrevelant where they live
> due
> > to international treaties dealing with commerce.  ICSA will track this
> > lonley, sad little person down, we're doing distributed data crunching
as
> we
> > speak. Remenber the turn-around time on the Melissa author?  Adios.
>
> I would like to think so, but he probably learned from the Melissa
author's
> mistake.
>
> With little thought, I can think of several things that would make it
> untraceable.
>
> 1) Develop it on an unregistered system that you bought a good distance
from
> home - or stole.
>
> 2) Harvest a bunch of email addresses from Usenet.
>
> 3) Use a library or school computer to get a phony hotmail or yahoo email
> account.  Send out dozens of emails all around the world, log off, and
walk
> away.
>
>
> I hope they'll find him, but I don't count on it.
>
> Ray Drouillard
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 21:59:40 -0400
From: Michael Baxter <MBaxter-at-compuserve.com>
Subject: fsj: J-10 taillights

jeepnut <jeepnut-at-bellsouth.net> writes:

>> I am a newbie to the list here and had not yet posted, but I do have
a loaner/used set of taillight lenses for my GW.  Are the J-10's flat or =
do
they have that little fold in the middle like the GW lenses?
<<

The Chero./GW lenses won't work on a J-Truck. The J-Trucks have a
tapered corner while the Chero./GWs are mostly rectangular in shape.

Jamie.L.Phillips-at-us.ul.com writes:

>> If you can't find anything on eBay, the couple I bought my lenses from=

are:
     "Larry Fleury" <jeep-at-mint.net>
     "Dianne Fleury" <lunlady-at-mint.net>
<<

Larry was last known to be posting his wares in the auction part
of carparts.com:

http://www.carparts.com

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Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:22:11 -0700
From: john <john-at-wagoneers.com>
Subject: fsj: Re: help help im sooo confused

At 08:16 PM 5/5/00 CDT, sara self wrote: 
>>>>
i just bought a 1971 jeep wagoneer. it has a buick 350 v-8 in it, but the
chilton book says that that came out in 66-69 and the other engines that
the book says a 71 could have is a 258 v-6 amc or a 304 v-8 amc. i don't
know anything about auto stuff but now that i have a jeep again i'm going
to learn. did amc and buick both put out engines for 71? its so confusing!
also i have been looking on the web and i cant find anyone else that even
has a 71 wagoneer please tell that this was not a bad year or something
like that. my last ? for today is do you know of any chats that i could go
to to get help when working on my jeep or just to talk to about jeeps? i'm
begging you to please help me if you can! 

thank you for your time and effort!!! 
sara linn 
"sara self" <wagoneer1971-at-hotmail.com>
<<<<

it's possible that it is a factory installed Buick 350.  More likely it's
been transplanted by someone in the past.  the other possibility is that
the vehicle is titled to the wrong year.

I started the FSJ list with a few other folks in 1995.  I left the
list I started and started a new one on digest.net, details on how
to subscribe below.

You will need to send plain text to the list, and no attachments. :)

john

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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 00:34:41 -0500
From: "R.J. Baynum" <poolcues-at-bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: fsj: air compressor

I believe, and I have heard from Mechanics, when I was shopping for one, was to find
the biggest and most powerful, largest capacity.. you can afford,  it will be well
worth it in the long run! and you will be pleased with the performance. Check and see
the recover time, and how much is the P.S.I.. Does it work well with accessories? What
about extra lines?
also if you live in a humid area, make sure it has a way of getting the water out of
the line and tank, from the condensation.

R.J.





Toboggan Hill Farm wrote:

> I'm contemplating getting an air compressor for my shop.  I've never
> purchased one before and am not sure what I should look for and/or stay
> away from.  Any thoughts, advice, etc.,  would be appreciated.
> Thanks
> Brett
> '83 Wagoneer

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Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:54:09 -0600
From: "Gaylon Holmes" <gholmes-at-vcn.com>
Subject: fsj: RE: Re: help help im sooo confused

I have a 1971 Wagoneer with a Buick 350.  This vehicle was purchased new by
my grandfather so I have a complete history on it.  The date of manufacture
was the January of 1971.  It has two V.I.N. tags on it; one is a Jeep tag
and the other is an AMC tag.

Current mileage on the rig is 57K.  Just finished painting the vehicle and
must now start on the interior.  What a project!

- -Holmes


> At 08:16 PM 5/5/00 CDT, sara self wrote:
> >>>>
> i just bought a 1971 jeep wagoneer. it has a buick 350 v-8 in it, but the
> chilton book says that that came out in 66-69 and the other engines that
> the book says a 71 could have is a 258 v-6 amc or a 304 v-8 amc. i don't
> know anything about auto stuff but now that i have a jeep again i'm going
> to learn. did amc and buick both put out engines for 71? its so confusing!
> also i have been looking on the web and i cant find anyone else that even
> has a 71 wagoneer please tell that this was not a bad year or something
> like that. my last ? for today is do you know of any chats that i could go
> to to get help when working on my jeep or just to talk to about jeeps? i'm
> begging you to please help me if you can!
>
> thank you for your time and effort!!!
> sara linn
> "sara self" <wagoneer1971-at-hotmail.com>
> <<<<
>
> it's possible that it is a factory installed Buick 350.  More likely it's
> been transplanted by someone in the past.  the other possibility is that
> the vehicle is titled to the wrong year.
>
> You will need to send plain text to the list, and no attachments. :)
>
> john

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Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 12:16:41 -0500
From: jeepnut <jeepnut-at-bellsouth.net>
Subject: fsj: Intro - a little long

Hi Listers,
  I have been lurking around for a couple of weeks since signing on.  I
do recognize a few names from other lists however.
  My '88 is my second SJ.  My '84 which was quite nice, was quite
totalled by some idiot Memphian a few years ago.  In a nod to some of
the other posts... a guy in a Burick (as it is apparently pronounced
here) hooked my right front bumper with his left rear as he crossed in
front of me on the freeway.  Him doin' what was estimated at 90-100, me
at 60+.  I T-boned him at 60 or so & his momentum pulled us from the
inside lane to the shoulder, where his front end (now parallel to the
guard rail and being pushed sideways at probably still 45-50mph by the
Waggie) now contacts the guard rail.  When it did, he spun ass-end-away
from me and his left front tire buried its sideface into the side of the
Waggie just behind my seat.  Hit hard enough that it left perfect rings
in the metal where his wheel bead was grinding momentarily... Of course
this happened as he was just beginning the first rotation of many to
follow, but I lost track of him because his momentum launched the Waggie
away from the inside shoulder into a nice ass-right slow-rotation 180
spin across ALL THREE lanes of traffic where I came to a rest perfectly
parked on the right shoulder facing a stopped field of drivers in 3
lanes.  Wow.  No other contact.  Amazing.  I remember looking at those
cars and being absolutely stunned at what had just happend and I then
let off the brakes!! LOL!  Anyway the deuce&aquata was up on the inside
guard rail spewing fuel with its butt-end hanging over onto the opposte
inside shoulder & beat ALL to crap.    I drove mine home.  <BOSEG>  The
cop probably shouldn't have let me, but it was on 4 wheels full 'o air,
so off I went and it really did drive pretty OK considering.  It took me
the other 35 miles home.  Good ol' Jeep.  snif, snif...
    But alas the floorboard was bent over toward the centerline pretty
well, B pillar puckered, left side glass, etc, and of course some front
end damage and probably more than I bothered to find out.  Anyway it was
beyond anything I would have been able to fix and beyond anything I
would trust to drive and keep aligned.  But I did have the forethought
to pull the entire rear window gear assy out of that '84 before the
wrecking yard picked it up outta my driveway and jacked up the back
glass with a couple of 2x4's. Got the headliner too.  <g>  I knew I'd
have another SJ...
    The '88 now has 156,000 now, 95K when I bought it.  It's bone stock,
but in remarkably good shape.  No frame rail rust, nothing around the
tank, which I have had off.  No rust anywhere really excepting under the
rubber around the rear quarter glass on one side are 2 little spots that
look eaten through almost.  I imagine that will be quite difficult & $$
to repair.  I had an opportunity to get the truck painted on an
insurance claim last summer, so I let a local shot shop do it for a
grand.  It looks remarkably good with its clear-coated paint.
Everything on the truck works, partly because I won't have it any other
way, partly because it hasn't stopped working yet.  But she is getting
worn and is in need of some things, so here I am.
    Now I want a J-20 truck. <g>
    I don't have time really for wheeling but really want to get off
road.  I use the SJ around the house as a tractor as need be.  Pull some
buildings around the property, pull fallen trees outta the drainage
ditches, etc.  It's a work truck and a daily driver (70rt/day) rather
than a play Jeep.  Very few places for doing anything but mudding around
here.  The XJ in my subscript is the wife's car.  Don't you DARE scratch
my Jeep! <g> but I bought it because it shares parts with my MJ and it's
a Jeep & she would be safe in it.  We used to live in Santa Cruz county
and made the occaisonal beach run, Tahoe run, San Diego run, etc. so it
was the appropriate vehicle AFAIK.  The MJ is a fairly unusual 4x2 Jeep
that most Jeepers don't find at all natural.  It however is an EXcellent
truck.
    My wife and I have 3 kids, 3 dogs, 6 acres and 15 year old house, so
you tell me where I spend my time! LOL!  I mow grass 18 hours a week 3/4
of the year and clean the pool when I'm not busy. <g>  I grew up in the
country and let a Husqvarna 450WR beat hell out of me for several years
in the hills of WV and the woods and backroads of Indiana growing up and
into my 20's so the off-roading roots are strong and deep, but I can
hardly afford to keep the fleet maintained so I surely can't afford to
break things, having fun.  I do want to get the kids out for some trail
rides with the Waggie.  I am looking at some Michelin LTX/AT 10.5x31 for
trail riding and plan to try to get up to LBL in KY for some rides this
summer.  Anybody here go riding around up there?  I just hope the chain
in the gearbox doesn't break.  Maybe I'll have to replace that before
doing much.
    In any case I'll separate my questions from this intro to keep
things easier to sort.
    It seems like a great group of Jeepers, as are nearly all on any of
the Jeep lists I've been messing around on for the last couple of years.

    Now to the burning issues at hand...
        JeepNut
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