From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat May 6 23:06:49 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Sunday, May 7 2000 Volume 01 : Number 839 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Track Bar issues fsj: Re: Intro - a little long fsj: RE: Viruses and stuff Re: fsj: air compressor Re: fsj: Fuel systems - was (no subject) fsj: help help im sooo confused fsj: IPF light sale fsj: Re: Lift fsj: Re: help help im sooo confused Re: fsj: Track Bar issues Re: fsj: major amperage... fsj: to the jeep nut in memphis... fsj: Re: Comanches, the Naches, a 67 J3000, an XJ, and ARB-USA fsj: fsj kinda day... SuperDawg and a partly sunny day! FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 12:33:02 -0500 From: jeepnut Subject: fsj: Track Bar issues Well my first burning question is about the track bar up front. For some reason the track bar on this Waggie is tearing its mounting bracket off of the frame. Then it lays around down there and makes noises. I'm glad the SJ isn't on coils! Anyway it has pulled off the frame rail twice now in the last year. I have yet to find any reputable shops around here, but the one place I had it welded on at before may have just not done a good job. It looks kinda rough to me where the bracket left the frame. It looks to me like there should be some gusseting put up there to support it better, but I'll have that fixed as soon as I can locate someone I trust to do the welding. Opinions on repairs? In any case I wonder about those of you who REALLY use your SJ's. Do you have problems tearing the top bracket for the track bar off the frame rail? As said before I don't rock crawl this thing, BUT I do get a little light in the front going over some sharp rises in the pavement on some backroads (heh, heh) I don't remember hearing any noises as I pop over these one or two places I encounter occaisionally. Could I be causing this by getting the front end light from time to time? Or should the suspension stop downward travel before the track bar reaches the edge of that bracket? I'm wondering if the track bar is acting as a lever as it reaches the edge of the mounting and then prying on it over and over, it eventually lets go. Oh yeah and any opinions about dangers associated with disregarding the track bar being loose? Thanks for any ideas folks! JeepNut - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- Oh and you'll have to remove the .spamfree from my email address to respond! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 00:22:28 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: Intro - a little long [snip] > Now to the burning issues at hand... > JeepNut Never, Ever, say "burning" around a bunch of FSJers! We all have seen to many Jeep-BQs due to electrical problems and fuel leaks! :-) Welcome! kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 04:41:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: RE: Viruses and stuff A: That's one of the nicest things about Webtv! Never having to worry about virii! I got it sent to me 3 times, and nothing has gone worng! It's probably going to turn out to be the kid's computer was a slave anyway! John wrote: I already suspect it's from Manilla... I was able to get a print out of the script to my IS department, they didn't have it... go figure. None of my UNIX systems or personal server (LINUX) was affected. I'm glad I wasn't an MCSE today. ;) Things were real quiet. Since my company, in it's infinite wisdom, selected msexchange as the company standard no one could email me with CAD related problems. :) My guess is they'll find the guy within a couple of days... The Brits are gonna be able to do more than US. It'll be interesting to see the guy hauled off in leg irons. HOpe your day is quieter tomorrow. BTW, where are you located? What year is your FSJ? I was working on Superdawg till midnight last night... wiring upgrade/ipf lights... :) john On Thu, 4 May 2000, Bob Bradfield,MCSE wrote: As the owner of a small consulting business www.tnts.com (and FSJ owner-for list content) dealing with the effects of this stupidity, I think you offer very sound advice. My pager has been blasting all day. I was able to alert about 3/4 of my clients to this nasty, had to fix the other 1/4. The idiot virus authors are facing 20 years hard time. We ain't dealing with a rocket scientist here, it was just VB Script. Kinda irrevelant where they live due to international treaties dealing with commerce. ICSA will track this lonley, sad little person down, we're doing distributed data crunching as we speak. Remenber the turn-around time on the Melissa author? Adios. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 7:17 PM To: Recipient list suppressed Subject: fsj: suggestion... I'd like to make a suggestion, take it for what it's worth, but since the "I-LOVE-YOU" virus has morphed to "FW:JOKE", I'd highly recommend that before opening any attachments that you know who sent it and that they told you before hand what it was. If bad things start happening - just shut the computer off... boot from a floppy into dos and try to fix it... if you know how... a good basic rule: don't send attachments without permission, =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 and NEVER just open one up... even after virus checking... =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0the virus s/w may be out of date, or not setup for macro viruses. This thing has taken some major corporations off line today. The convenience vs. security issue raised it's ugly head in a major way here. Exchange and outlook do some cool things... but man are there security problems because of it... My server is running Linux and is doing fine. The virus was there, I could see it and look at it and not worry about it. I just hope they catch the low life that created this thing... I'm not a fan of microsoft products, but I am a user, by choice... and I hate to see stuff like this happen. Hope no one I know got creamed by this thing... :( john ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 04:57:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: air compressor A: It depends how much you are going to use it, and your wallet thickness. I have a cheapo $200 reedvalve compressor, but damn it's noisy, and hot. The tank is sooo small, I had to add an extra line and tank for tire changing. It would take off 1 nut and I'd have to wait for it to pump up again! If you plan on doing a lot of work, a cast iron compressor is better for life expectancy and noise. Water and air filters are a good idea as well! Brett wrote: I'm contemplating getting an air compressor for my shop. I've never purchased one before and am not sure what I should look for and/or stay away from. Any thoughts, advice, etc., would be appreciated. Thanks Brett '83 Wagoneer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 07:49:03 -0700 From: Pat Hines Subject: Re: fsj: Fuel systems - was (no subject) I've accumulated the Edelbrock manifold (had to wait 6 weeks for it) and a Holley two barrel DI system. I haven't ordered the new cam/kit, oil pump housing/front engine cover, or the larger diameter exhaust system yet for the 360 in my '79. Now that the rainy season is over here in the SF BAy area (well almost it seems) I'll be able to get to work in my driveway on this project. I expect to get 14-16 miles per gallon when all is done. I'll post results in a few weeks. Pat on 4/24/00 8:47 AM, James Blair at Carnuck-at-webtv.net expressed: > A: Since you mentioned the stock Holley 4 bbl, I assume you mean a 360 > also. There are 2 bolt patterns to the stock AMC 4 bbl and it should be > a Motorcraft, not Holley stock, althouh there is a hard to find > replacement made by Holley. One pattern is common, and the other is hard > to get a replacement for. I personally would go to a Holley 4di throttle > body fuel injection conversion kit on the V8. It's commonly getting 14 > mpg from the V8s from the people that have done it. Sure beats 8 mpg > average with the carb! (I have a 6 cyl that used to get 20 mpg, but I > ran out of oil and now it's dropped to 17! :^( I'm pulling my motor out > this morning to take the crank and rods to Canada for my 4.6L stroker > build up) > > John Jacobs wrote: > If you have the 360, then your best bet for a new intake is the > Edelbrock performer ( > http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/man_amc.html ). The torker is > probably too high reving for most FSJs. I don't think the Offenhauser > intake is available anymore, and I think it was also a high rever. > Most people that have gone to the Edelbrock have increased power, but > probably no extraordinary mileage gains. The big gains are probably when > a person goes from a poorly tuned stock setup to a properly tuned > aftermarket setup. I would guess that a properly tuned stock setup to > properly tuned aftermarket setup would not yield much, if anything. > Is yours a stock 2 or 4 barrel? > > --- Flierjon-at-aol.com wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there are any peculiarities or difficulties with > an > intake manifold change on an 83 wagoneer? Can I expect any performance > or > mileage gains? Will a Holley carb on the stock manifold fit an > aftermarket > manifold? Does anyone suggest any manufacturers in particular? Any help > would be appreciated. > Thanks, ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:44:40 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: help help im sooo confused john writes: >> At 08:16 PM 5/5/00 CDT, sara self wrote: = >>>> i just bought a 1971 jeep wagoneer. it has a buick 350 v-8 in it, but the chilton book says that that came out in 66-69 and the other engines that the book says a 71 could have is a 258 v-6 amc or a 304 v-8 amc. i don't know anything about auto stuff but now that i have a jeep again i'm= going to learn. did amc and buick both put out engines for 71? its so confusing! .... it's possible that it is a factory installed Buick 350. More likely it's= been transplanted by someone in the past. the other possibility is that the vehicle is titled to the wrong year. << Sara, Jeep didn't make the switch to the AMC V-8s until early Jan. 1971. Which means there were 5 months of production in the '71 model year with the Buick 350's still being installed. The Buick 350 was the V-8 option from '69 until the AMC V-8 switch mid-model year 1971. Chilton's books are never to be trusted. I haven't found one yet that wasn't chalk full of errors. Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 06-May-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 09:53:44 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: IPF light sale passing this along... if you need Central's toll free number hit the search engine on wagoneers.com looking for bill, VanTuyl or Central... ;) >John, > Since I talked to you this morning, I found out that there is a sale on >the IPF back up light kit( I was at ARB this afternoon picking up some >bumpers). The sale price is, oddly enough, $55. good until the end of the >month. > BTW, all of the IPF J01's are now sold. > >Bill > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 12:38:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: Lift A: I got my springs from Gitt. Personally, I suggest going all 4 springs rather than the rear blocks. Bob=A0Bradfield wrote: Greetings, all! I'm thinking I wanna put a 3-4" lift on my 83 Wag... Never done one of these, just read about them, think I can do it. From what I see, they're in the $400-500.00 range. Some come with the drop Pitman, some don't. Several brands available, any favorites? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 16:07:44 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: help help im sooo confused > At 08:16 PM 5/5/00 CDT, sara self wrote: > >>>> > i just bought a 1971 jeep wagoneer. it has a buick 350 v-8 in it, but the > chilton book says that that came out in 66-69 and the other engines that > the book says a 71 could have is a 258 v-6 amc or a 304 v-8 amc. i don't Technically, 1971 was the first year that Jeep was owned by AMC. Everything but engines was still basically Kaiser stuff though. The AMC motors offered in '71 were the 258 in-line 6 cylinder, and the 304 and 360 v-8s. I've heard that Buick 350s were available by special order until the supply ran out. 1971 was an odd year because of the change in ownership. Today I think I determined that my '71 Wagoneer is wearing a '72 paint color. > know anything about auto stuff but now that i have a jeep again i'm going > to learn. did amc and buick both put out engines for 71? its so confusing! > also i have been looking on the web and i cant find anyone else that even > has a 71 wagoneer please tell that this was not a bad year or something 1971 was not a bad year, but it can be hard to get the right parts sometimes. You'll have to become an expert on your rig and know when to lie to the guy at the parts counter. Sometimes you'll have to tell them it's a '70 and sometimes a '72. 'Course alot of parts stores books don't go back that far anyway so then you have tell them it's a '78 : ) > like that. my last ? for today is do you know of any chats that i could go > to to get help when working on my jeep or just to talk to about jeeps? i'm > begging you to please help me if you can! If you want Jeep info, the mailing lists are the best source. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:07:44 -0500 From: paul stelzig Subject: Re: fsj: Track Bar issues I'm also new to this list, I used to own a '77 J10 and now I've got a '85 GW with 6" of lift and 33" tires. As for your track bar before 1980 I don't think any FSJ had a track bar. My J10 didn't even come with a sway bar. I removed the track bar when I lifted my GW I also haven't hooked up the sway bar yet, the only handling problems I have are due to the spring over front and the angle of the drag link. I'm going to make the sway bar fit again but I can't think of any reason to have a track bar on a leaf sprung truck. jeepnut wrote: > Well my first burning question is about the track bar up front. > For some reason the track bar on this Waggie is tearing its mounting > bracket off of the frame. Then it lays around down there and makes > noises. I'm glad the SJ isn't on coils! > Anyway it has pulled off the frame rail twice now in the last year. > I have yet to find any reputable shops around here, but the one place I > had it welded on at before may have just not done a good job. It looks > kinda rough to me where the bracket left the frame. It looks to me like > there should be some gusseting put up there to support it better, but > I'll have that fixed as soon as I can locate someone I trust to do the > welding. Opinions on repairs? > In any case I wonder about those of you who REALLY use your SJ's. > Do you have problems tearing the top bracket for the track bar off the > frame rail? > As said before I don't rock crawl this thing, BUT I do get a little > light in the front going over some sharp rises in the pavement on some > backroads (heh, heh) I don't remember hearing any noises as I pop over > these one or two places I encounter occaisionally. Could I be causing > this by getting the front end light from time to time? Or should the > suspension stop downward travel before the track bar reaches the edge of > that bracket? I'm wondering if the track bar is acting as a lever as it > reaches the edge of the mounting and then prying on it over and over, it > eventually lets go. > Oh yeah and any opinions about dangers associated with disregarding > the track bar being loose? > Thanks for any ideas folks! > JeepNut > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > '87 Street Comanche #24/100 > '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... > '92 Cherokee > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Oh and you'll have to remove the .spamfree from my email address to > respond! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:06:14 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: major amperage... At 05:04 PM 5/6/00 -0500, R.J. Baynum wrote: >But wouldn't you need more copper and a bigger housing, to take a 43 to a 100+ amp? >>R.J. What the guy does is pull the guts out of the existing housing and puts new windings and internals from a newer GM style alternator, or aftermarket parts. JC Whitney sells kits to upgrade alternators using similar parts. So, yes, you'd need more copper, but not more housing. Ever notice that the newer alternators are smaller yet put out a LOT more power? Take a look under the hood of a late 80's GM car and you're looking at an alternator that is about 3/5th's the size of an FSJ alternator, but it's 90 to 105A... :) My xj has a smaller alternator, and it's at least a 90amp... maybe more I can't remember right now... So, by using my stock alternator and just having the guts replaced I don't have to mess around with wiring or bracketry. :) Usually the guy here charges less than $100 to upgrade the alternator. FWIW, ask for Pat at Lake Serene Auto Electric in Lynnwood, WA, right on 99. However, anyone anywhere can do the upgrade... all they need to do is work on alternators. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 21:31:43 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: to the jeep nut in memphis... dear jeepnut, welcome. enjoyed your story about the burick. ;) you didn't give your real name. You also didn't mention whether they led the 225 driver off in shackles or not... was he dwi? Why didn't you keep your dead GW and use it for parts... hey man, I've only got 1/2 acre and I've got room for such things. :) In fact, my 77 Wagoneer should be finding it's way back home any day now... :) oh, btw, you were in the fast lane when this guy clipped you? any pictures? lots of skid marks on the freeway? fwiw, my wife claims my 88 xj wagoneer ltd (aka little wagoneer, or superpup) is hers. she won't let me wheel it any more, especially after the last time when I totalled it... rofl... anyway, I've got an 83 J10 Stepside, superdawg... love him. My wife hates him. So I have to get him painted so he looks better... :) My son has a 67 J3000. (my daughter has an 88 burick... ;) Some head hunter was trying to entice me to Memphis for a UNIX job... big bucks, lower cost housing... and all the humidity I could stand... rofl... ttyl, john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:26:01 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: Comanches, the Naches, a 67 J3000, an XJ, and ARB-USA At 09:12 PM 5/6/00 -0700, Paul W. wrote: >The Comanche I remember was either silver or white - but my memory is >leaning more towards silver - what color was yours? > >Paul Mine was a dark blue with the amazing, incredible, and highly undesireable 2.8l v6... :) (amazing that it ran long enough for me to sell it, incredible that it made it as long as it did...) The one on the Naches was a brand new red one, 4.0L... the guy did pretty good, but it was box stock, right off the dealer lot within a week or two... :) street tires and all... He fell off the logs over by the meadows in front of me... :) I managed to turn around and take the bypass, then we headed up to the snow level and scampered up and down side roads for awhile before heading back home. It was a nice run, and not as boring because of the bypass roads... I like the Naches Pass. I think I went up there last in Sept 97 or so... yeah, it was before I totalled the little wagoneer in November. :) I bet I wouldn't have totalled it had I my Aussie Bull Bar... Speaking of which, I was down at ARB-USA this week and got to visit with both Marc Bowers and Tony Curless (sp???). Marc showed me an ARB Bull Bar off of a TJ that had run into a telephone pole at 15 to 20mph... the bumper was slightly bent... he said the TJ was untouched!!!! He also mentioned how much easier it was taking it off the TJ too. ;) Have you seen Marc's J3000? He has a really nice ARB Bull Bar from a Ford F150 on it... too bad they don't make the ARB bar for the ford any more... :( If I hadn't gotten the deal on my used Aussie Bull Bar I would have gotten the ARB or maybe the bar (TJM?) that Bill sells at Central... If I ever get a Grand Cherokee first thing I'd add would be a bull bar... or if I got another XJ, same thing... I wish they had 'em for the FSJ's. BTW, Marc's old XJ was there too, so I took some pictures of it. I saw Tony's ZJ but didn't take a separate picture of it... (you can see it next to Marc's 67 J3000. I'm also uploading pictures from my field trip to ARB-USA's warehouse. :) ============================= Marc's 67 J-3000 http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/Jx000s/MarcBowers-67-J3000-BigBetty/ check out the skid plate on this xj: http://www.wagoneers.com/XJ/rigs/MarcBowers-old-XJ try not to drool on your keyboards... ;) http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/Misc-ARB-IPF/ http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF/ john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 23:15:25 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: fsj kinda day... SuperDawg and a partly sunny day! continuing adventures of life with an FSJ... ended up getting roped into kitchen remodel projects today. ended up having to run down to georgetown in Seattle to look at some materials. was permitted to bring Superdawg. :) YES! pretty much uneventful in the most reliable FSJ I've ever owned, love this 258 almost as much as my xj's 4.0L. Even had some sun shine and really nice looking clouds! Did manage to back into a solid object by accident... was more concerned about the solid object seeing as how it was granite or something equally expensive like that... but it looked fine in my mirrors and no one came out of the building to get me, even they did look from the windows while I was sitting there waiting for my wife but they couldn't see anything either. :) when we got to the next stop I examined my rear bumper and found not even a mark on it... did see a number of other FSJ type rigs during the day. even parked next to an 83 Wagoneer at Dick's in Ballard... the kid didn't even look at my Stepside... he must not have been into FSJ's... :) The ongoing project list for Superdawg includes: - front end alignment and possibly ball joints - paint job (still haven't decided on a color yet) - sunroof and custom headliner - repack the springs, rancho 9000s??? - finish body lift, cab part - swap in stock manifold/carb once I get the linkage brackets - eventually swap in my 4.0L/AW (need 23 spline shaft or an NP242) - bedliner - alternator upgrade... rofl... and some more lights... ;) In the meantime I'm driving him every day... other than being a bit cold blooded, and thirsty, he's doing superbly. I've never had this much service without problems out of any of the other 11 or so FSJ's I've owned before... I'm even hesistant to swap the intake manifold/carb because of fears of actually making it less reliable! Once I get all the pieces lined up and I know I've got everything set up on the bench I'll be able to make the swap and retain everything for the setup I have now. So if something doesn't work I can put it back on... :) later, john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #839 *************************