From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon May 8 22:19:29 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, May 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 842 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: 4350 update fsj: ARB H4 wiring loom - relays included fsj: xj np229 and a TF999 or tf909 fsj: Re: Turbo setup for a Wag? fsj: changing out seats Re: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited. fsj: Re: 4x4NW: Fullsize Ford Winch Bumpers Re: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited. fsj: RE: Re: 4x4NW: Fullsize Ford Winch Bumpers Re: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited. fsj: Gumby in Major Magazine? fsj: Oddities on the Wagoneer Re: fsj: Big AMPS = Big FSJ Car-B-Q Re: fsj: xj np229 and a TF999 or tf909 fsj: i need some help!!! badly FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 00:02:18 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: 4350 update This weekend I rebuilt my "used only 2 weeks" Motorcraft 4350 that looked freshly rebuilt by Holley. I installed it on my Wag last week and it ran ok, but it had been sitting for months and I decided to put a kit in it before I started tuning it. Either Holley's rebuilding is very unimpressive or the first owner spent the entire 2 weeks mis-adjusting everything possible. That may be a possiblity considering that the fast idle screw was missing, the cam lacks a spacer and slides back and forth on the shaft, and the choke plate was not indexed to the shaft. Oh yeah, and there is some kind of unused linkage hanging down from the main choke linkage pivot at the base of the carb. It makes me wonder if the carb might have been intended for a Ford application (I did take it off a '78 Wagoneer). The lockout lever for the secondaries still needs to be bent a little closer to the cam adjusting screw, but it's running decent now. It's not an impressive 4 barrel in the performance dept., but it's seems better than the tired 2100 I was using before. Most noticable is how little throttle is required to maintain 35 mph speeds around town. I anticipate improved mileage over the 12 mpg I was getting with the 2100. I also adjusted the secondaries to come full-open maybe a hair early so I wouldn't have to mash the pedal into the carpet quite so hard to know if they were open or not. I haven't adjusted the mixture screws or idle speed yet, although my tach shows it's idling at the recommended 750 rpm. Sometimes the idle is very rough and I'm hoping I can get that adusted out somehow. I probably won't get time until Wednesday, but I plan to first make adjustments with a tach and then do them again with a vacum gauge. I've never tried the vacum method and it's a prime opportunity to compare results. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:11:43 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: ARB H4 wiring loom - relays included >I imagine you are running this through a relay, right? Is that the IPF >harness you mentioned? > yep. the kit is nicely equipped, took me about 10 minutes to install it. will be writing it up. see the picture (the URL wrapped and is temporary, soon as I write the article I'll clean up the pictures, they're large right now...) http://wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF-lights/May-3-2000-FSJ-project-pix/IPF-light-i nstall/wiringharnesspkg.jpg And looking at the picture, this is an ARB item, not IPF... :) Everything is set up with relays, the fog lights, driving lights, even the auxillary backup light I'll be installing soon... john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 21:06:48 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: xj np229 and a TF999 or tf909 > >Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:21:33 -0500 >From: paul stelzig >Subject: Re: fsj: Re: AW trannies... >>I just pulled a np229 out of a '85 little wagoneer in a junk yard I think it >had a AW4 but I don't realy know xj's very well. couldn't have been. They never mated a Selectrac of that type to one, nor did they start using the AisinWarner trannies until they started using the 4.0L i-6 in 1987. In 85 they used Chrysler Torqueflite 904 or 999, and of course the 727 in the SJ. It depends on whether it was a 4cyl or the crappy v6 whether it was the 904 or 999, however, since the NP229 was the upscale variant in the XJ, I'd guess it had the 2.8L and the 999. I'm also guessing that it'll be 21 spline and won't work in an FSJ. However, I have a 21 spline AW sitting here and would like to have the NP229 if you're gonna sell it... let me know. (if it is indeed the 21 spline input shaft version. I just bought the driveshafts to go with it... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 12:39:24 EDT From: Brazzadog-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Re: Turbo setup for a Wag? > Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 22:45:05 -0700 > From: Clark Novak > > This guys is selling a Rotomaster turbocharger setup that he took off a 360 > out of a GW! Check it out: I remember when the whole motor was for sale. It's still too rich for my blood. Ben Williams '71 Wagoneer '78 F-250 4x4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:48:37 -0500 From: Dan Black Subject: fsj: changing out seats How hard is it to swap the standard newer power seats (specifically, from an '85 GWag) to an older FSJ with the standard bench seat (in this case, a '74 Wag)? What about the door guts (power locks, power windows -- the '74 has neither, though it does have the switch for the power gate window)? Is there a good way of adding the shoulder harness to the older ones? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Trying" is the first step toward failure. -- Homer Simpson - -------------- Dan Black ------------------------- dan-at-black.org -------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 18:45:41 -0500 From: Dan Caruthers Subject: Re: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited. Perfect because you...? Replaced the Spring? Forgive me, i'm thick headed...and not to bright either. ;-> Dan > OK, guys...I've been incommunicado since I started my > new job in December. But a friend is in need...so > here I am! > > Fred, it's pretty easy...it took me an hour. I had > the manual for instruction. Some say there are > special tools, but I didn't have any...don't really > need any... > > First you need to get the steering wheel off...either > a steering wheel puller or break it loose by tapping > the shaft with the hammer. > > The other special tool...There are a couple pins > (.25"Dx1"long) that provide the pivot points for the > steering tilt. Those have to be removed. Luckily, > there are threads tapped into the pins. You just have > to find a small bolt to thread into the hole, then > extract with a claw hammer...easy...no need for a > special tool there. > > Somewhere, I remember a spring (counterbalance for the > weight of the steering wheel) that's under > tension...it jumped out at me, but, I guess, I found > it and got it put back :) > > I think the final bolts to tighten are torx. > > So, have at it, jump in, don't loose any part or your > cool. My tilt was very loose...ohhlala...now it > perfect... > > Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 16:44:29 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 4x4NW: Fullsize Ford Winch Bumpers to make the ARB Bull Bar from the old Ford F150 work took a bit of effort, here's a picture of it's mounting on Marc Bowers 67 J3000: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Jx000s/MarcBowers-67-J3000-BigBetty/PIC00008.JPG http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Jx000s/MarcBowers-67-J3000-BigBetty/ >Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:26:40 -0700 (PDT) >From: "paul w." >Subject: Re: 4x4NW: Fullsize Ford Winch Bumpers >To: SBJ , northwest-at-2bigbroncos.org, 4x4nw-at-moab.off-road.com > >I don't listen very well since I'm a Jeep owner ;) > >But FWIW, the ARB Bullbar for the Fords you mention also happens to fit >the full-size SJ Jeeps, too... and I know at least one SJ owner who >wants one. I'll forward your message to him. He's the one who told me >about this Ford bumper on a Jeep thing anyway... seems one of ARB USA's >employees (Marc Bowers, FWIW) has one of these Ford bumpers on his Jeep >pickup. > >Paul > > > >--- SBJ wrote: >> Hey everyone, >> First Off if you AREN'T A FORD Owner DELETE now. Thank you. >> >> Okay, some of you may know that ARB is offering to build once again >> their >> STOUT Winch capable BullBar for the 80-91 Half-Ton Fords, including >> Broncos. I'm sending this email out in attempt to gain some interest >> in >> getting these Bumpers manufactured once again. For ARB to begin >> making >> them again, they need 10 solid orders. So if any of you out there >> are >> looking for a winch capable bumper for your 80-91 Fullsize ford, I >> suggest >> looking into the ARB's. >> Feel free to email me off list with any questions, or flames... >> >> >> Scotty >> I sent this, since I am one of 3 currently waiting for another 7 >> orders to >> be placed. >> Thanks for your time out there! >> '86 Bronco XLT, 351W, C-6, NP 208, 9" (lsd), 3.50 gears .... >> polar-at-wsu.edu >> www.wsu.edu/~polar >> http://www.off-road.com/ford/bigbroncos/ >> http://www.superford.org/cgi-bin/sf.cgi?uid=default&vr2=1&ID=713 >> SBJ,Jr >> 509-332-3797 >> polar-at-wsu.edu >> www.wsu.edu/~polar >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:07:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Loxtercamp Subject: Re: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited. No, it's perfect because it doesn't wobble anymore...after tightening the torx bolts w/i the column. G - --- Dan Caruthers wrote: > Perfect because you...? > Replaced the Spring? > Forgive me, i'm thick headed...and not to bright > either. > ;-> > > Dan > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 18:33:37 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: fsj: RE: Re: 4x4NW: Fullsize Ford Winch Bumpers I think that bumper would be way too wide for a Wagoneer for those of you that are thinking about that. However, that style is exactly the same style I have on my Wagoneer but narrower (from a Land Rover Discovery). The Discovery version of the ARB Winch bumper just happens to be the right width for a Wagoneer and a nice custom look too. http://www.cfsja.org/rigs/j.c.html Converting from the Discovery frame rail mount to a jeep frame was interesting but worked out just fine with a couple of custom made mounting brackets. JC Jones :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 5:44 PM To: fsj-at-digest.net Cc: paulweit-at-yahoo.com; 1FSJ-at-egroups.com Subject: fsj: Re: 4x4NW: Fullsize Ford Winch Bumpers to make the ARB Bull Bar from the old Ford F150 work took a bit of effort, here's a picture of it's mounting on Marc Bowers 67 J3000: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Jx000s/MarcBowers-67-J3000-BigBetty/PIC00008.JPG http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/Jx000s/MarcBowers-67-J3000-BigBetty/ >Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 16:26:40 -0700 (PDT) >From: "paul w." >Subject: Re: 4x4NW: Fullsize Ford Winch Bumpers >To: SBJ , northwest-at-2bigbroncos.org, 4x4nw-at-moab.off-road.com > >I don't listen very well since I'm a Jeep owner ;) > >But FWIW, the ARB Bullbar for the Fords you mention also happens to fit >the full-size SJ Jeeps, too... and I know at least one SJ owner who >wants one. I'll forward your message to him. He's the one who told me >about this Ford bumper on a Jeep thing anyway... seems one of ARB USA's >employees (Marc Bowers, FWIW) has one of these Ford bumpers on his Jeep >pickup. > >Paul > > > >--- SBJ wrote: >> Hey everyone, >> First Off if you AREN'T A FORD Owner DELETE now. Thank you. >> >> Okay, some of you may know that ARB is offering to build once again >> their >> STOUT Winch capable BullBar for the 80-91 Half-Ton Fords, including >> Broncos. I'm sending this email out in attempt to gain some interest >> in >> getting these Bumpers manufactured once again. For ARB to begin >> making >> them again, they need 10 solid orders. So if any of you out there >> are >> looking for a winch capable bumper for your 80-91 Fullsize ford, I >> suggest >> looking into the ARB's. >> Feel free to email me off list with any questions, or flames... >> >> >> Scotty >> I sent this, since I am one of 3 currently waiting for another 7 >> orders to >> be placed. >> Thanks for your time out there! >> '86 Bronco XLT, 351W, C-6, NP 208, 9" (lsd), 3.50 gears .... >> polar-at-wsu.edu >> www.wsu.edu/~polar >> http://www.off-road.com/ford/bigbroncos/ >> http://www.superford.org/cgi-bin/sf.cgi?uid=default&vr2=1&ID=713 >> SBJ,Jr >> 509-332-3797 >> polar-at-wsu.edu >> www.wsu.edu/~polar >> > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 20:02:28 -0500 From: Dan Caruthers Subject: Re: fsj: Tilt Steering, Revisited. AH! I see...Thanks. DC Greg Loxtercamp wrote: > > No, it's perfect because it doesn't wobble > anymore...after tightening the torx bolts w/i the > column. > > G > > --- Dan Caruthers wrote: > > Perfect because you...? > > Replaced the Spring? > > Forgive me, i'm thick headed...and not to bright > > either. > > ;-> > > > > Dan > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:51:03 GMT From: Robert Barry Subject: fsj: Gumby in Major Magazine? Is that Pete's Cherokee "Gumby" I see on p.54 of the June 2000 Four-Wheeler? They're kind of making fun of it, showing it climbing a hill while throwing some sand, and stating in the caption "Even the easier sections of sand can present a challenge for a heavy vehicle on small tires. That also holds true for those who were so enthused by the low-flying airplane stunts that they forgot to air down." So, Pete, did you make that hill? Either way, cool to see an FSJ in a major magazine. Gumby looks good! ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 20:14:12 -0500 From: jeepnut Subject: fsj: Oddities on the Wagoneer Hi group, An odd thing has started happening on the Waggie... Sitting at a light, once in a while, or sometimes while slowing as you pull up to a light, the truck dies. Only happened very occaisionally, but is getting more frequent. To the point that it is happening nearly every day, driving in, but usually not driving home for whatever reason. What happens is that I can feel the pedal shift with my foot sitting lightly on it and of course I hear the engine idle w a y down to almost stopping, or sometimes it actually just dies. Happens very quick if you are pulling up to a stop sign. Just ... pop, the pedal shifts, the idle drops, and she's dead or just barely turning over. So I'm thinking throttle solenoid, but.. well,.. I'm pretty dumb sometimes, but it seems to me the way that solenoid has worked for as long as I've driven it, was sort of like a two position deal. It popped up to idle high while cold, pops down when it is punched, or sometimes actually all on its own when it is warmed up. But I had not until lately experienced this sort of 3rd option for positioning. At least that's how I perceive it. And to go along with this, when it's raining, lights on, wipers on, radio, fan on high to defrost, etc. and you pull up to a light even without the above mentioned anomoly going on, the ammeter loads way down, lights dim, fan slows, ... what causes this? I was assuming alternator and planned to just overhaul mine with an upgrade kit, but posts elsewhere have convinced me this is not a good idea. Other opinions about what to do? Thanks! Steve Lett aka JeepNut - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 19:58:42 -0500 From: jeepnut Subject: Re: fsj: Big AMPS = Big FSJ Car-B-Q Wow Mr. Colucci, what a timely post. I was literally just looking at the Whitney catalog sittin' in the, uh, ah, l i b r a r y, and considering one of those do-it-yourself alternator upgrades. And as I was, I began to ask myself why in the world I would think of ordering one of these kits as literally nothing else I have ever bought from them was of any real quality.... And that now brings me to a new post.... Steve Lett aka JeepNut "B. COLUCCI" wrote: > Greetings To The FSJ World! > > Everybody is talking raising those AMPS; well you have failed to > consider one important point. The wiring that your FSJ came with from > the factory... - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 20:39:47 -0500 From: paul stelzig Subject: Re: fsj: xj np229 and a TF999 or tf909 It was a four cylinder, and the case is all ready in my GW. john wrote: > It depends on whether it was a 4cyl or the crappy v6 whether > it was the 904 or 999, however, since the NP229 was the upscale > variant in the XJ, I'd guess it had the 2.8L and the 999. > > I'm also guessing that it'll be 21 spline and won't work in > an FSJ. However, I have a 21 spline AW sitting here and would > like to have the NP229 if you're gonna sell it... let me know. > (if it is indeed the 21 spline input shaft version. > > I just bought the driveshafts to go with it... :) > > john > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg > SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ------- > ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... > ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... > ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 00:19:17 EDT From: REBluvzCLM-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: i need some help!!! badly howdy ya'll i need some help very badly, i need to sell my 1979 Jeep Cherokee Chief ASAP because number one, i dont need it anymore since i got the comanche fixed and number two i REALLY need some money like as soon as possible. here are some specs on it....360 v8, full time 4-wheel, Clifford security system, automatic transmission, 5 good tires(one is a spare of course), brush guard, a new starter, new flex fan with the spacer kit that removes the fan clutch, working a/c and heat, removable back seat, and a few other things....i also have 2 shop manuals on it as well. i would like to get about $3500 for it at least because i am getting married soon(september 23 of this year) and we need some money badly and also it is being abused right now since it is just sitting there and collecting dust and dirt and i hate to see a good jeep go to waste. PLEASE email me back ASAP and let me know if you know of anyone in the southeast area(like around Alabama) that would like to buy it because i really would appreciate it dearly! thanks ya'll and i'd appreciate any and all help please. Thanks, Robbie ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #842 *************************