From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon May 15 08:33:39 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, May 15 2000 Volume 01 : Number 854 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: wires, meters and holes in the roof fsj: 4350 Carb Questions fsj: Testing/Adjusting dashboard voltage regulator in temp-gauge? fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Testing/Adjusting dashboard voltage regulator in temp-gauge? Re: fsj: 4350 Carb Questions Re: fsj: What's a T5 cost? Re: fsj: What's a T5 cost? fsj: Ed's Trail Ride fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Re: fsj: Ed's Trail Ride FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 21:13:38 -0400 From: Michael Baxter Subject: fsj: wires, meters and holes in the roof john writes: >> holes in the roof... What, are you guys nuts welding the holes up? You'll sell the rig and someone will want to put the rack back on and you'll have been promoted instantly to DSPO. Don't weld 'em, plug 'em with the body plugs and silicon... leave the options open, but plug the hole. ;) << I wouldn't take the roof rack off an FSJ personally. The roof becomes too flimsy without it up there. Kind of like beating on a drum. Never hea= rd one "oil can" though. But for filling in trim holes in the sides... Michael Baxter, MBaxter-at-Compuserve.com-OR-N7OVD-at-arrl.net http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/MBaxter From Reno, NV USA on 12-May-2000 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:50:43 GMT From: Robert Barry Subject: fsj: 4350 Carb Questions I need help with two problems I have with the Motorcraft 4350 4-bbl, non-Evaporative-canister carb on my '78 Cherokee's 360: 1) It won't start first-thing in the morning in warm weather. If it's 0=BA outside, it starts right up, but if it's above 65=BA the first time I try to start it, it cranks and cranks but won't catch, whether I've pumped it once, twice or a thousand times, whether I've got my foot off the pedal, halfway-down or all the way down. A quick shot of starting-fluid, and it will start *right* up, and will start with the first turn of the key from then on for the rest of the day.=20 It's not a spark problem, apparently, but something with the fuel. The choke moves freely, and is set to factory specs. Are the vapors from the fuel making the engine think its flooded? Or is all the fuel in the carb's bowl evaporating, causing a starvation problem? Any suggestions on which way to go with this carb? 2) How do you adjust the opening of the secondaries on this carb? I'm familiar with the Qjet adjustment procedure, but there doesn't seem to be anything so simple for the 4350. ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:57:08 GMT From: Robert Barry Subject: fsj: Testing/Adjusting dashboard voltage regulator in temp-gauge? What might be a procedure for testing the '74-'85 style voltage-regulator that supplies 5V (?) to the dashboard instruments? I've got a spare temp-gauge I'd like to test before I install it. I'm imagining hooking 12V+ from the truck battery to the input, grounding the case, and measuring the voltage from the stud that feeds the rest of the dash? Is anyone familiar with what specific voltage readings I should be seeing? Is there anyway to adjust the voltage output on this? ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:10:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Testing/Adjusting dashboard voltage regulator in temp-gauge? A: Everytime I checked it with a voltmeter, it just pulsed. Someone has a updated regulator that fits in place of it. No adjustment I know of (except bending the heated contact pads, which I tried 4 times before fluking out and getting it right). Bob Barry wrote: What might be a procedure for testing the '74-'85 style voltage-regulator that supplies 5V (?) to the dashboard instruments? I've got a spare temp-gauge I'd like to test before I install it. I'm imagining hooking 12V+ from the truck battery to the input, grounding the case, and measuring the voltage from the stud that feeds the rest of the dash? Is anyone familiar with what specific voltage readings I should be seeing? Is there anyway to adjust the voltage output on this? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:17:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: 4350 Carb Questions A: I think the powervalve has a little leak down, or your choke isn't closing, or your accelerator pump isn't working. BTW, ether will kill your motor's rings very quickly. It makes them crack because it explodes between the top and second ring. Do you hit your brake pedal when starting? a bad booster will cause starting trouble by leaning out the mix. Even a bad check valve can do this (Elmo's was that way when I got it) On secondary adjustment, I'd have to see which style it was. Bob Barry wrote: I need help with two problems I have with the Motorcraft 4350 4-bbl, non-Evaporative-canister carb on my '78 Cherokee's 360: 1) It won't start first-thing in the morning in warm weather. If it's 0=BA outside, it starts right up, but if it's above 65=BA the first time I try to start it, it cranks and cranks but won't catch, whether I've pumped it once, twice or a thousand times, whether I've got my foot off the pedal, halfway-down or all the way down. A quick shot of starting-fluid, and it will start *right* up, and will start with the first turn of the key from then on for the rest of the day. It's not a spark problem, apparently, but something with the fuel. The choke moves freely, and is set to factory specs. Are the vapors from the fuel making the engine think its flooded? Or is all the fuel in the carb's bowl evaporating, causing a starvation problem? Any suggestions on which way to go with this carb? 2) How do you adjust the opening of the secondaries on this carb? I'm familiar with the Qjet adjustment procedure, but there doesn't seem to be anything so simple for the 4350. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:20:23 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: What's a T5 cost? And.... how might one be able to distinguish a real WorldClass T5 from a standard T5 and/or the 4 banger turbo versions? I had planned to just go straight to the Mustang TKO version, output shaft and all, since it's a 2wheel drive application and I'll have to futz around with the drive shaft anyway, I'll just get a yoke for the Mustang output shaft.... Anyone see anything wrong with this idea? Do I really need to look for an Eagle output section? Steve aka JeepNut James Blair wrote: > A: As long as it's really a world class, and not the 4 banger turbo one, > that's a steal! You will still need to swap the output shaft and > tailhousing to fit a Jeep T5 (one from an Eagle will work) > > Steve wrote: > Just got back from getting my bearing set pressed on the axle. Now I get > to put it on... > While out, I stopped by a tranny shop in pursuit of info on my long > smouldering TKO into an MJ project... Basically I came up with about 17" > from front of gear box to shifter location.... Now I have to go out and > check the old setup, but anyway, he says he can get me on Monday morning > a brand new World Class T5 tranny for $600.00. near Memphis. > Good, Bad, Average? Whats the concensus? ...crap, I > wasn't really working on that project right now.... > grumble... ...mumble...now where's that Visa card?... mumble... > Steve aka JeepNut > -- > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr > http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on > allexperts.com Pics: > http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: What's a T5 cost? A: There should be a tag on it with the letters X, Y or Z. W is 4 banger (I stuck one in my '66 Fairlane with 289) The 2WD version is too long of output shaft to put into a 4WD, and has the wrong spline, plus w/o the T5 transfercase sleeve, it won't bolt up to your transfercase. Steve wrote: And.... how might one be able to distinguish a real WorldClass T5 from a standard T5 and/or the 4 banger turbo versions? I had planned to just go straight to the Mustang TKO version, output shaft and all, since it's a 2wheel drive application and I'll have to futz around with the drive shaft anyway, I'll just get a yoke for the Mustang output shaft.... =A0=A0=A0=A0Anyone see anything wrong with this idea? Do I really need to look for an Eagle output section? =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Steve =A0 aka =A0 JeepNut James Blair wrote: A: As long as it's really a world class, and not the 4 banger turbo one, that's a steal! You will still need to swap the output shaft and tailhousing to fit a Jeep T5 (one from an Eagle will work) Steve wrote: Just got back from getting my bearing set pressed on the axle. Now I get to put it on... While out, I stopped by a tranny shop in pursuit of info on my long smouldering TKO into an MJ project... Basically I came up with about 17" from front of gear box to shifter location.... Now I have to go out and check the old setup, but anyway, he says he can get me on Monday morning a brand new World Class T5 tranny for $600.00. near Memphis. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0Good, Bad, Average? Whats the concensus? =A0 ...crap, I wasn't really working on that project right now.... grumble... ...mumble...now where's that Visa card?... mumble... =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0Steve =A0 aka =A0 JeepNut - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 20:55:22 -0700 From: Ed Pedersen Subject: fsj: Ed's Trail Ride WARNING NON-FSJ Vehicles involved in this trail ride... I decided to give my loving wife Annette the best present I could think of..the house all to herself for the day... I went to bed at 1.30 Saturday night, (couldn't get away from the computer), and woke up at 7.30am Sunday. Got up, had a shower, threw some laundry in the washer, emptied the dryer, emptied the dishwasher, wash the pots and pans, woke the sleepy heads up, (Amanda 16, and Samantha 14), made lunches, loaded the Jeep (my TJ that replaced Ol' White as my trail vehicle), gave my half asleep wife a kiss good bye, wished her a Happy Mother's Day, (yes, she did know a couple of days prior to us going), jumped in the Jeep and headed off to Mission to meet up with new found aquaintance Richard and his buddy Jeff, who was riding shotgun. Richard works (did work) for Smartt.Net, whichis hosting my companies web site. We made the rendezvous around 11.30, said our hellos and did the handshakes, then headed out to try our luck at our first route. We wanted to go in at Dewdney, just outside of Mission where Hwy #7 crosses the railroad tracks. We followed the main spur road up to mile 15, the took the fork and headed east to cross through Marguerites Pass, and over into the Chehalis Valley. This was the first time I head been in this way this year, and they had decommisioned the road recently. The road had not had any maintenance down, so the branches were starting to grow in and the road bed itself had been crossditched with waterbars on all the uphill sections. We got 2/3 of the way up the valley when we ran into the snowline. On the road ahead of us was the beginnings of a 2 foot high snowbank, not good news. We still had to climb approx. another 600-1000 feet in elevation..so..being smart guys, we abandoned this route and retraced our steps back to Hwy#7, and the headed east on it to drive out to the Sasquatch Inn, which is a well known loggers resteraunt and motel situated at the junction of Hwy#7, the Chehalis Valley Road and The Harrison Lake West Road. We flew up the Chehalis Lake road heading for mile 23, which would put us at the north end of Chehalis Lake, at the Forest Campsite there. Richard, not caring or thinking about being behind me, ate my dust for all 23 miles in..poor guy.. Sun was shining, he had his TJ's ragtop folded back and the entire interior of his Jeep was white with dust.We had a quick lunch at the campsite, then crossed over Mystery Valley into Harrison Lake area, and headed North for 15 minutes to get to Twenty Mile Bay. We drove down to the lake and played in the shallows of the lake shore and played on the beach sand, driving in and out of the shallow ponds and spring runoffs that flowed into the lake. Wrapped up there, and then made a bee line south down the Harrison Lake West Road. We stopped to play at a sandy hill, and Richard showed how easy a locker in the rear axle takes an obstacle that my TJ had to work at to get up... < My TJ..stock, 31 inch tires, 4.10 gears, 4 banger> < Richards..4 inch lift kit, 33 inch tires, rear locker, six cyl. 3.73 gears > Fun over, we skedaddled south again, eventually coming out at the Sasquatch Inn completing a 60 mile loop on forest service roads. We said our goodbyes, with a promise to get together again for another trail ride soon, then joined the cars heading back to Vancouver. Got back home at 7.00, just in time to wash the Jeep so Annette could take a "clean" car to work tomorrow. For those of you with kids, you know how hectic life can get running around doing the kid taxi service, errands to run, chores at home, etc. I usually work six days a week, Annette's works 5-6 days a week.. not much time to just sit like a bump on a log and do absolutely NOTHING to only do want you want to do, no kids, no husband, no phone, no friends over, no kids friends over..nada, nothing, zero to do or have to do.. SO, keeping that in mind, that was how I spent my Mom's Day, taking all the distractions and annoyances away from her...I think she enjoyed it.. Ed Pedersen Vancouver Canada ICQ 23536957 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 02:15:01 -0400 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:49:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Ed's Trail Ride A: I used to live in the lot behind the Shell gas station in Hatzic lake. Suicide creek is fantastic to walk through, and if the gate is open Davis lake has hundreds of miles of roads, but I drove through the Fountain Reserve before, and some of those roads are class 4 after winter! Ed=A0Pedersen wrote: WARNING =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 NON-FSJ Vehicles involved in this trail ride... I decided to give my loving wife Annette the best present I could think of..the house all to herself for the day... I went to bed at 1.30 Saturday night, (couldn't get away from the computer), and woke up at 7.30am Sunday. Got up, had a shower, threw some laundry in the washer, emptied the dryer, emptied the dishwasher, wash the pots and pans, woke the sleepy heads up, (Amanda 16, and Samantha 14), made lunches, loaded the Jeep (my TJ that replaced Ol' White as my trail vehicle), gave my half asleep wife a kiss good bye, wished her a Happy Mother's Day, (yes, she did know a couple of days prior to us going), jumped in the Jeep and headed off to Mission to meet up with new found aquaintance Richard and his buddy Jeff, who was riding shotgun. Richard works (did work) for Smartt.Net, whichis hosting my companies web site. We made the rendezvous around 11.30, said our hellos and did the handshakes, then headed out to try our luck at our first route. We wanted to go in at Dewdney, just outside of Mission where Hwy #7 crosses the railroad tracks. We followed the main spur road up to mile 15, the took the fork and headed east to cross through Marguerites Pass, and over into the Chehalis Valley. This was the first time I head been in this way this year, and they had decommisioned the road recently. The road had not had any maintenance down, so the branches were starting to grow in and the road bed itself had been crossditched with waterbars on all the uphill sections. We got 2/3 of the way up the valley when we ran into the snowline. On the road ahead of us was the beginnings of a 2 foot high snowbank, not good news. We still had to climb approx. another 600-1000 feet in elevation..so..being smart guys, we abandoned this route and retraced our steps back to Hwy#7, and the headed east on it to drive out to the Sasquatch Inn, which is a well known loggers resteraunt and motel situated at the junction of Hwy#7, the Chehalis Valley Road and The Harrison Lake West Road. We flew up the Chehalis Lake road heading for mile 23, which would put us at the north end of Chehalis Lake, at the Forest Campsite there. Richard, not caring or thinking about being behind me, ate my dust for all 23 miles in..poor guy.. Sun was shining, he had his TJ's ragtop folded back and the entire interior of his Jeep was white with dust.We had a quick lunch at the campsite, then crossed over Mystery Valley into Harrison Lake area, and headed North for 15 minutes to get to Twenty Mile Bay. We drove down to the lake and played in the shallows of the lake shore and played on the beach sand, driving in and out of the shallow ponds and spring runoffs that flowed into the lake. Wrapped up there, and then made a bee line south down the Harrison Lake West Road. We stopped to play at a sandy hill, and Richard showed how easy a locker in the rear axle takes an obstacle that my TJ had to work at to get up... < My TJ..stock, 31 inch tires, 4.10 gears, 4 banger> < Richards..4 inch lift kit, 33 inch tires, rear locker, six cyl. =A0=A0=A0=A03.73 gears > Fun over, we skedaddled south again, eventually coming out at the Sasquatch Inn completing a 60 mile loop on forest service roads. We said our goodbyes, with a promise to get together again for another trail ride soon, then joined the cars heading back to Vancouver. Got back home at 7.00, just in time to wash the Jeep so Annette could take a "clean" car to work tomorrow. For those of you with kids, you know how hectic life can get running around doing the kid taxi service, errands to run, chores at home, etc. I usually work six days a week, Annette's works 5-6 days a week.. not much time to just sit like a bump on a log and do absolutely NOTHING to only do want you want to do, no kids, no husband, no phone, no friends over, no kids friends over..nada, nothing, zero to do or have to do.. SO, keeping that in mind, that was how I spent my Mom's Day, taking all the distractions and annoyances away from her...I think she enjoyed it.. Ed Pedersen Vancouver Canada ICQ 23536957 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #854 *************************