From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed May 24 11:02:18 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, May 24 2000 Volume 01 : Number 870 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish fsj: RE: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish Re: fsj: another crazy idea from snohomish fsj: Re: [1FSJ] another crazy idea from snohomish fsj: RE: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish fsj: IPF lights - the pictures fsj: RE: RE: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish fsj: RE: RE: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish fsj: Re: Re: Jeep Will Start If U Do THis fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Low gears for NP208 - Do they exist? FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:36:04 -0500 From: "The Bear Paw Canoe Co." Subject: fsj: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish I think thats a pretty good idea..... Might be hard to implement though. You would of course have to have access to the parts and then be able to purchase, resell, and ship and then make a profit somewhere in there plus what about returns etc...... I JUST had my parts wagoneer picked up by the auto recyclers. I gave them it under the agreement that any parts I wanted off of it were mine free of charge. I'm wondering in hindsight if I did the right thing LOL....... I imagine your venture could pan out. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:15:35 -0500 From: "Bob Bradfield,MCSE" Subject: fsj: RE: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish It's a great idea! FSJ parts can be a pain in the -at-#$% to find, I'd pay someone (a modest fee) to do it for me. PS-Let me know when you need the breech test done on your ecom site (rofl). Get that puppy a'goin! Later. Bob Bradfield 83 Wag Ltd "Omen" - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of The Bear Paw Canoe Co. Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:36 PM To: Fsj; john Subject: fsj: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish I think thats a pretty good idea..... Might be hard to implement though. You would of course have to have access to the parts and then be able to purchase, resell, and ship and then make a profit somewhere in there plus what about returns etc...... I JUST had my parts wagoneer picked up by the auto recyclers. I gave them it under the agreement that any parts I wanted off of it were mine free of charge. I'm wondering in hindsight if I did the right thing LOL....... I imagine your venture could pan out. Doug ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 01:44:57 GMT From: Robert Barry Subject: Re: fsj: another crazy idea from snohomish >I'm giving some thought to selling used and new >parts via my website. I wouldn't be fast, and I may >not even be the cheapest. But I may be able to locate >parts unavailable elsewhere... > >I'm thinking primarily for the older rigs... primarily >FSJ jeep parts, and XJ parts internationally. The Benz [snip] >The biggest problem is going to be finding the time to ship the parts, >which means I'm not going to be the speediest service in the world... but >hey, if you're looking for fenders for a mid-70's Wagoneer... it >may be worth the wait. rofl... You know what would be really helpful; if there was one stop to shop for all those new parts that *do* fit our FSJ's, even thought they are listed for _other_ applications (sway-bar disconnects, urethane motor-mounts, CTO switches, shocks, etc.). Basically, anything that would assist me in avoiding parts-store idiots and mail-order ignorance would get my business. As for speed, if you're shipping things on a regular basis, you'll get things out quicker. ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:00:35 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] another crazy idea from snohomish Hey that sounds like a great idea! Why not?... R.J. john wrote: > I'm giving some thought to selling used and new > parts via my website. I wouldn't be fast, and I may > not even be the cheapest. But I may be able to locate > parts unavailable elsewhere... > > I'm thinking primarily for the older rigs... primarily > FSJ jeep parts, and XJ parts internationally. The Benz > parts are plentiful through a number of sources, some sell > cheaper than I can buy wholesale! :) But there are three > used parts source for Benz in the area... and I may provide > a service there. > > Anyway, I find myself answering a lot of email with guys looking > for parts. I reply telling them of a few places I know... and > I get nothing for my effort (except their appreciation, which, in > the grand scheme of things is truly worth more than any profit > I might make. :) > > What got me thinking about this is my costco renewal form... they > offer a discount credit card transaction service! That and I'm > getting a handle on Perl scripting, so I can secure my server for > credit card transactions... > > The biggest problem is going to be finding the time to ship the parts, > which means I'm not going to be the speediest service in the world... but > hey, if you're looking for fenders for a mid-70's Wagoneer... it > may be worth the wait. rofl... > > Let me know what you think. I figure you folks would let me know > if the idea stinks right off the bat. ;) I know I've shipped a > few parts to some of you over the years. (like transmissions, > transfer cases, roof racks, xj parts, and so on... ;) > > I guess I'm getting tired of telling people where to go... ;) > > ...so I might as well activate the Dot-com in Wagoneers.com. :) > > thanx. > john > ------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg > SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ------- > ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... > ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Old school buds here: > http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/7/_/696737/_/959125827/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To Subscribe send an email to: 1FSJ-subscribe-at-egroups.com > To Unsubscribe send an email to: 1FSJ-unsubscribe-at-egroups.com Visit Our homepage: http://www.egroups.com/group/1FSJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish On Tue, 23 May 2000, Bob Bradfield,MCSE wrote: >-->It's a great idea! FSJ parts can be a pain in the -at-#$% to find, I'd pay >-->someone (a modest fee) to do it for me. Initially it'll all be pretty low tech, this isn't speedy stuff we're dealing with. Regular email, paper checks and ground delivery will be the regular fare. :) I'll probably price them pretty close to what you'd find in a yard, if you can find them. Harder to find stuff will demand a higher premium because it'll be harder, and take more time, to find. But, like you said, I'd pay someone to find stuff for me too. :) I have paid a premium for some of my FSJ goodies. :) And it was worth it too. :) >-->PS-Let me know when you need the breech test done on your ecom site (rofl). what test? :) what, you think I'm running microsoft products or something? ;) my site has been tested by the best hackers in the business. :) the sysop has many friends who've already hack tested the server. I've tested it as well, it's buttoned down pretty tight. Of course a stock linux system is more secure than a buttoned down nt system... ;) And this isn't a stock linux install. If you're in the seattle area I'd recommend the virtual-cafe for your isp. Always up, solid service, reliable... >--> >-->Get that puppy a'goin! I think I'll work up a cgi-bin form that'll email a request for parts quote. It'll email me and I'll then research it, quote it and if the buyer is interested, get payment and arrange shipment. :) >--> >-->Later. >-->Bob Bradfield >-->83 Wag Ltd "Omen" >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of The >-->Bear Paw Canoe Co. >-->Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:36 PM >-->To: Fsj; john >-->Subject: fsj: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish >--> >-->I think thats a pretty good idea..... Might be hard to implement though. You >-->would of course have to have access to the parts and then be able to >-->purchase, resell, and ship and then make a profit somewhere in there plus >-->what about returns etc...... I JUST had my parts wagoneer picked up by the >-->auto recyclers. I gave them it under the agreement that any parts I wanted >-->off of it were mine free of charge. I'm wondering in hindsight if I did the >-->right thing LOL....... I imagine your venture could pan out. >-->Doug ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:47:35 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: IPF lights - the pictures I took some pictures of the IPF Backup light setup on the little wagoneer... The IPF backup light kit will work on any rig. It's nice because it comes with a three way toggle switch that has a green light in the end of the handle. It has a position for on, off, and on with the backup lights. :) http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/IPF-lights/BACKUP-Light/ the most recent pictures are "xj-..." ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:05:43 -0500 From: "Bob Bradfield,MCSE" Subject: fsj: RE: RE: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish I admit, you made me laugh with this one. Believe me, I know many (not all, it ain't possible) of the flaws in NT. A smattering (or gaggle) of MCSEs have pushed MS a great deal in opening up their code and securing their products - at the same time! The release of the Exchange patch was because of our incessant nagging. Next step...YOU READY FOR THIS... Stop selling advanced server products to retail customers! Exchange really is wonderful, it is. Not when installed by the son of the boss (SOB) because the defaults it loads will fry you. Same with NT351,40 and NT5(W2K). MS makes it so easy to autoplay the install CD and, you think you own it. Anyone with half a brain will own you. Remember these words, my children - EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE. By default, NT installs the local group EVERYONE with FULL permissions EVERYWHERE (even to the sys files on \WINNT!!!). The GUEST is a member of this group. That's how you enter an NT domain. Simple, huh? Back to the idea... You will perform a wonderful service to the FSJ world. I'll buy from you, you've given hundreds of thouands of $$$ worth of advice. in reality, counting time - you won't make a penny. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 10:35 PM To: Bob Bradfield,MCSE Cc: The Bear Paw Canoe Co.; Fsj Subject: fsj: RE: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish On Tue, 23 May 2000, Bob Bradfield,MCSE wrote: >-->It's a great idea! FSJ parts can be a pain in the -at-#$% to find, I'd pay >-->someone (a modest fee) to do it for me. Initially it'll all be pretty low tech, this isn't speedy stuff we're dealing with. Regular email, paper checks and ground delivery will be the regular fare. :) I'll probably price them pretty close to what you'd find in a yard, if you can find them. Harder to find stuff will demand a higher premium because it'll be harder, and take more time, to find. But, like you said, I'd pay someone to find stuff for me too. :) I have paid a premium for some of my FSJ goodies. :) And it was worth it too. :) >-->PS-Let me know when you need the breech test done on your ecom site (rofl). what test? :) what, you think I'm running microsoft products or something? ;) my site has been tested by the best hackers in the business. :) the sysop has many friends who've already hack tested the server. I've tested it as well, it's buttoned down pretty tight. Of course a stock linux system is more secure than a buttoned down nt system... ;) And this isn't a stock linux install. If you're in the seattle area I'd recommend the virtual-cafe for your isp. Always up, solid service, reliable... >--> >-->Get that puppy a'goin! I think I'll work up a cgi-bin form that'll email a request for parts quote. It'll email me and I'll then research it, quote it and if the buyer is interested, get payment and arrange shipment. :) >--> >-->Later. >-->Bob Bradfield >-->83 Wag Ltd "Omen" >--> >-->-----Original Message----- >-->From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of The >-->Bear Paw Canoe Co. >-->Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:36 PM >-->To: Fsj; john >-->Subject: fsj: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish >--> >-->I think thats a pretty good idea..... Might be hard to implement though. You >-->would of course have to have access to the parts and then be able to >-->purchase, resell, and ship and then make a profit somewhere in there plus >-->what about returns etc...... I JUST had my parts wagoneer picked up by the >-->auto recyclers. I gave them it under the agreement that any parts I wanted >-->off of it were mine free of charge. I'm wondering in hindsight if I did the >-->right thing LOL....... I imagine your venture could pan out. >-->Doug ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:23:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: RE: RE: RE: another crazy idea from snohomish On Tue, 23 May 2000, Bob Bradfield,MCSE wrote: >-->I admit, you made me laugh with this one. Believe me, I know many (not all, and you me. :) anyone on the internet had better have the basics covered. :) about the only thing any isp/server isn't able to defend against is a DOS. (no, not microsoft's operating system, denial of service... ;) But DOS's are not a big challenge, the real troublesome hackers are way beyond those kinds of attacks, not that dos won't happen... >-->it ain't possible) of the flaws in NT. A smattering (or gaggle) of MCSEs >-->have pushed MS a great deal in opening up their code and securing their >-->products - at the same time! The release of the Exchange patch was because >-->of our incessant nagging. Next step...YOU READY FOR THIS... Stop selling >-->advanced server products to retail customers! either that or make the default buttoned down. y'all have some nice features, just don't turn 'em on by default, have it all buttoned up. have the customer activate the bells and whistles... at his own risk... ;) That's the way Linux installs... pretty much secure out of the box, it can be made tighter, or looser... (not that I'm saying a stock linux install is secure, because it's not, but it takes far less to make it so than you'd imagine. :) (btw, I was one of the contributors to the book on securing Linux: http://www.sans.org/newlook/publications/linux_toc.htm What scares me is that there are so many features setup by default in the MS office suite that you might as well just lay tender parts on the counter and have them smashed with a big hammer if you connect your system to a network or modem with dsl/isdn. :) >-->Exchange really is wonderful, it is. Not when installed by the son of the I won't go that far... it's got some nice features, but from an admin perspective you can't easily control it like you can from the UNIX prompt using Perl and sendmail. I've been trying to get my IS department to make my default internal mail my HP server... from the external source, it's routed on the Sun to my HP, but internal still shows up in exchange... a simple .forward feature in exchange would allow me off of the outlook silliness. :) >-->boss (SOB) because the defaults it loads will fry you. Same with NT351,40 >-->and NT5(W2K). MS makes it so easy to autoplay the install CD and, you think >-->you own it. Anyone with half a brain will own you. Remember these words, >-->my children - EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE. By default, NT installs the local group >-->EVERYONE with FULL permissions EVERYWHERE (even to the sys files on >-->\WINNT!!!). The GUEST is a member of this group. That's how you enter an >-->NT domain. Simple, huh? wow, sounds almost as secure as default novell! :) Microsoft is still living in the '80's. Back in the days when people didn't have networks and isp's. :) >-->Back to the idea... You will perform a wonderful service to the FSJ world. >-->I'll buy from you, you've given hundreds of thouands of $$$ worth of advice. >-->in reality, counting time - you won't make a penny. yep. the story of my life... I make friends easier than money. But in reality, I'm not really short of either. well... you can never really have enough of either... ;) Someday I hope to paint Superdawg, have a new vehicle, and maybe even have a garage... (the county is keeping me from the garage dream right now... if they remove the easement, it'd cost me almost 20 grand to buy back my property... in order to find out if I can buy it back, which is highly unlikely, it'll cost me about $1,200 just to try!!! It basically stinks. At this point if they were to bring in sewers out here I'd be able to build on the upper part of my property because I wouldn't need the drainfield... that is if they don't condemn that part of the property for health or environmental issues... arghhh...) I just need to convince my wife to let me build the garage in the back yard, or extend the existing garage forward... In the meantime, some mandatory FSJ content: I can hardly wait to see how Superdawg is doing on the fuel. I'm at 1/4 tank, gone about 200 miles, add 6% speedo error, so a bit more than that... rough estimate puts him around 16.6mpg... not to the 18mpg epa rating, but a whole lot better than 11. :) oh well... john >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 01:33:31 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: Re: Jeep Will Start If U Do THis Any chance It's also leaking around the o-ring that seals the filler/dipstick tube? I've had that happen too, kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JeepNut" To: ; "FSJ List" Sent: Tuesday, 23 May, 2000 22:19 Subject: fsj: Re: Jeep Will Start If U Do THis > Well you tried to tell me that once before.... > Admiral, you called it once, and I proved it today.... I put the > ECM > box on and it fired right up. I put a new coil on it too 'cause I'm > anal. > I replaced some wires; miles of vacumn lines... but.... > Now it won't shut off! > I kid you not, after I got it fired up, I tried to shut it down... > and it wouldn't! > I am burning one killer Karmic ribbon here.... > So the FSM says for engines that won't die at key-off only 2 things. > Starter Solenoid > Shorted Diode in Alternator warning lamp circuit Replace > Diode. > Does this mean a diode in the alternator? or elsewhere?... > To make a long story short, I had messed up the wires to the > alternator. So I had 12V feed to the coil+ all the time. > With all that fixed, it's running finally... > and I'm ready to try on gasket #3 on that damned 727 pan.... it's > still leaking a pint a day or better. I've got to get it fixed better > than that.... I just wish I could save that fluid somehow... > Anyway, great gobs of thanks to all who offered some ideas! I've > still got a lot of details to followup to get the thing road-ready by > Thursday! And about 4 acres of grass to cut, tiller to load, dogs to > bathe, packing to do, etc, etc,... Tomorrow? A/C Recharge! It's > supposed be 88 tomorrow!! Anybody wanna cut some of that grass? > JeepNut > > > "B. COLUCCI" wrote: > > > Greetings Jeepnut & the Rest Of The FSJ World! > > > > You did well by having that spare starter from the MJ. Been there and > > done that; it's hard to believe but when these FSJ starters malfunction > > they set up their own internal power field that acts like a generator to > > keep them running even without voltage being supplied. Would not > > believe it if I had not seen it on the USS GW only after replacing the > > logical items like you have also done. > > > > Now I too have seen the problem with the key in the start position and > > the engine will not fire. then when you release the key it acts like it > > wants to fire. Simple fix; replace the Ford Durraspark Module. The > > cranking circuit in yours has failed; yet the run circuit is fine. > > > > Until The Next Dimension, > > Admiral "Coluch." > > Starfleet Headquarters > > Ohio Post > > End Transmission........................................ > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > '87 Street Comanche #24/100 > '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... > '92 Cherokee > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 00:43:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Low gears for NP208 - Do they exist? A: They do exist (3:1) but I don't know who makes them. I believe they were made for Chevs, and the PO of Elmo had them put in. When I pull the trans and 208s from Blackie and Elmo, I'll take pics of any differences. Blackie has the stock 2.72 low, and goes MUCH faster in drive running in 4 lo than Elmo did, nearly same size tires {30" vs 31"}, same gears 2.72, but Blackie has a non-lock 727 and Elmo has a lockup 999. On the dual case set up, someone on the XJ-at-digest list actually has such a creature (It's hell on driveshafts!) but you wouldn't get a 6:1, you would get 7.384:1! (2.72 x 2.72) And yes, the gas tank would have to go in place of the spare tire. The Dana 300 will clip the 727 pan, unless you notch it (common swap on CJs) but it's a RH output. Not sure what gears and stuff are available, but a mid-late 80's? model Dodge NV205 will also fit (early '80s and late '70s used a NP205 with a right hand output for those of you that want to run a 727 in a pre '80 w/o swapping axles! I was looking for my 727 book earlier to give out some part #s (lockup spring and check plate kit to push to 55 mph the lockup) One thing I dug up on 999s is that they and 998s (in Eagles) use the same valvebody as the 727, but the 904s don't! I can't remember the company, but lower 1st and 2nd gearsets are available for the 727. I will be building up a 727 (from non-lock to a lockup) soon, and I will run my video camera on the whole proceedings. Maybe John M can make it into an MPEG? Peter=A0Griffith wrote: I know this has been covered at one time or another, but... Does anyone know of any place that makes lower gears for the NP208? I had heard a while back that there may be a gearset for this TC, but I cannot find ANY information on it. I would love to reduce my TC instead of replacing the diff gears, if possible. If not, is there a Dana 300 with a drivers-side front output that I can bolt to the 727? Also, does anyone know what the 1st gear ratio is on the TF727? I also have this crazy idea...I have a spare NP208 sitting in my garage. I wonder if it would be possible to bolt the two together to create a compound transfer case. This would give me a low range of over 6:1! I think I would have to remove the stock gas tank, though...just thinking out loud :-) Pete Griffith '82 Cherokee 4-Door "Gumby" http://www.petesplace.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=3D13998&Auth=3Dfalse ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #870 *************************