From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue May 30 08:59:43 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Tuesday, May 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 878 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: dual transfer cases? fsj: RE: Omen's coolant fsj: RE: RE: Omen's coolant Re: fsj: '86 GW rear window defroster fsj: Flashing fsj: That Little Light -- Brings A New Meaning fsj: Re: how install hooks fsj: Re: That Little Light -- Brings A New Meaning fsj: Rear Window fsj: RE: dual transfer cases? fsj: RE: Flashing fsj: RE: RE: RE: Omen's coolant Re: fsj: Re: That Little Light -- Brings A New Meaning fsj: RE: Rear Window fsj: '76 J10 in Baltimore, MD fsj: Re: RE: Rear Window FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 12:17:33 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: dual transfer cases? I bought an NP242 from Jim out of his parts XJ and just had a crazy idea... (what else, right? ;) Anyway. I like my NP208 because I can just grab low range with the hubs unlocked and have a granny low... but, I also like the NP242 full time feature for those frosty mornings on the Lowell Road and for the occassional snow we have... So, how does one go about making a dual transfer case setup? Any pictures on line? Also have the Aisin Warner 4 speed auto that I'm gonna connect up first... could complicate the situation as I think the NP208 should be first in line so I can do that low range trick, yet have the differentiated output of the NP242... This is going in my 83 J10 Stepside, so I have lots of room to work with. john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:15:48 -0400 From: Robert Barry Subject: fsj: RE: Omen's coolant >usually, it gets kinda brownish after it runs through the system once or >twice. Not hot would explain it. I'm still rebuilding this monster, >haven't had it farther than the end of my driveway. Here in Houston, we're >averaging about 98 in the shade right now. I'll let it run for a while and >see ehat happens. With a rebuilt engine, it should NOT turn brown after a couple trips through the engine. Even when diluted to a 50/50 mix, the coolant should remain bright green. I've had to mark a jug "50/50" so I could tell which contained a pre-mixed solution, since you can't tell anything by the color (unless it is *really* weak). Also note that the new "Dex-Cool" or whatever it is called is bright orange in color; if somebody did mix orange and green antifreeze together, they might in fact look rusty brown. I've taken to using the new orange stuff, as it isn't much more expensive, and it has a longer life and more corrosion-inhibitors. ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 16:32:15 -0500 From: "Bob Bradfield" Subject: fsj: RE: RE: Omen's coolant Good idea on the new coolant. The engine hasn't been rebuilt but, I'm thinking the radiator needs to be. I've seen a couple of pin holes in it that JB Weld could fix but, after reflecting what dribbled out of there when I drained it, won't use ol' JB. Changing subjects, is a valve job indicated by the white to blue smoke it's exhausting? Seems to diminish after running a while but is always there at start and for the first couple of minutes... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Robert Barry Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 3:16 PM To: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: fsj: RE: Omen's coolant >usually, it gets kinda brownish after it runs through the system once or >twice. Not hot would explain it. I'm still rebuilding this monster, >haven't had it farther than the end of my driveway. Here in Houston, we're >averaging about 98 in the shade right now. I'll let it run for a while and >see ehat happens. With a rebuilt engine, it should NOT turn brown after a couple trips through the engine. Even when diluted to a 50/50 mix, the coolant should remain bright green. I've had to mark a jug "50/50" so I could tell which contained a pre-mixed solution, since you can't tell anything by the color (unless it is *really* weak). Also note that the new "Dex-Cool" or whatever it is called is bright orange in color; if somebody did mix orange and green antifreeze together, they might in fact look rusty brown. I've taken to using the new orange stuff, as it isn't much more expensive, and it has a longer life and more corrosion-inhibitors. ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:58:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: '86 GW rear window defroster A: Disconnect the wires from the glass and see if it stays on. If not, then the relay is bad, (or you need a new switch if it has a timer built in?) ATBigfoot-at-aol.com wrote: Can't get mine to stay on any longer than 20 seconds before relay kicks out. Just replaced glass and have checked EVERYTHING thoroughly. Book says the relay is bad but I really don't believe this. Has anyone had a similar problem? HELP! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:34:24 -0700 From: Thunderbird Subject: fsj: Flashing Lastnight was the first time I had my truck out for any length of time after dark. We were finishing moving and it was loaded up and headed south for the 20 mile drive to the new place. I made the trip without incident. The truck even felt like it wanted to run at 60 (as if it were empty). This was practically an all interstate trip. When I got to my exit and was sitting at the light, all of the sudden my headlights started flashing (about the same speed as signaling about a cop). I messed with the switch, but it didn't seem to have any effect. They would flash for a while then work normally, then flash again. Any thoughts? My first step to fixing it will be a new switch...unless someone has a better idea. Brian 78 J10-4 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 97 Thunderbird LX 4.6 V8/Sport "Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo - use in that order." - --Ed Howdershelt ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:57:53 -0400 From: "B. COLUCCI" Subject: fsj: That Little Light -- Brings A New Meaning Greetings James! Until this afternoon, everything that I had seen convinced me that all 89-91 SJ's were created equal. Apparently they are not. I am curious where your emissions light is located? Is it in the main warning lamp filter, as the factory calls it, that houses the fasten belt, brake, & 4wd indicators? Or is it the other square indicator in the top of the speedometer, next to the hi-beam indicator? You will have to tell me if I'm wrong; but I believe that it will be in the main warning lamp filter area. According to my research of the Chrysler 91-93 parts fiche I see that there may also be an over speed indicator warning lamp. I believe this would be the lamp that goes next to the hi- beam lamp in the speedometer. My research hints to the fact that this might be an option strictly for vehicles shipped to the middle east. Ok all of this being said; nowhere on my fiche did I find any information about an emissions timer for an SJ class vehicle. I believe that John is correct in telling you to look for the box with the little gears and unhooking it to kill the light. However, (PAY ATTENTION HERE JOHN) it is not a fluke that your 02 sensor died after pulling your timer connector. The factory manual specifically says that you can turn off the light by pulling the wire; but the timer and the 02 sensor are dependent on each other. Pulling the timer wire will cause the 02 sensor to fail according to the book. This is not a problem for an FSJ. Now that is assuming that the same timer was used. They may have gone with the Chrysler part which could be a gray or black box with a small hole in it allowing a screwdriver to be pushed in to reset the internal timer micro switch. I have one of these on my 88 Dodge full size truck. So what other hidden oddities are in the 90-92 FSJ's? It is like I believe that mine actually has a plugged place in the Y pipe for an 02 sensor. Nobody can tell me if that is what this strange plug in the pipe might be for; and the USS GW is only a late year 89. Heck according to my research tonight I found that there is a production version of the 91SJ with the 360 designed to run with leaded fuel only! It has not smog pump, or cat. It even had different valve part numbers. I'm sure the older type designed to live on leaded fuel. Until The Next Dimension, Admiral "Coluch." Starfleet Headquarters Ohio Post End Transmission........................................ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:33:24 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: how install hooks At 07:00 PM 5/29/00 PDT, jose riebeling wrote: >hi john. >i want to know about install steel hooks on the front of my wag 81 >thnaks I had some pictures of some custom hooks that someone had put on their 76 Wagoneer... not sure where it is right now. :) it's a challenge. On the driver's side you have the steering box right there. You may be able to mount them under the frame on both sides. Or have a custom plate built that attaches to the frame on both sides and then mount the hooks to the plate. john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:37:39 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: That Little Light -- Brings A New Meaning At 10:57 PM 5/29/00 -0400, B. COLUCCI wrote: >Greetings James! > >Ok all of this being said; nowhere on my fiche did I find any >information about an emissions timer for an SJ class vehicle. I believe >that John is correct in telling you to look for the box with the little >gears and unhooking it to kill the light. However, (PAY ATTENTION HERE >JOHN) it is not a fluke that your 02 sensor died after pulling your >timer connector. The factory manual specifically says that you can turn >off the light by pulling the wire; but the timer and the 02 sensor are >dependent on each other. Pulling the timer wire will cause the 02 >sensor to fail according to the book. This is not a problem for an FSJ. I don't think there is any electrical connection between the two whatsoever. The timer is set to go off to get people to have their emissions system tested. The O2 sensor died six months later from old age. Totally unrelated. Theoretically an O2 sensor is good for about 80,000 miles. Not sure where you're getting your info, but the little wagoneer has been running without that timer now for about two years or more... not a problem. >Now that is assuming that the same timer was used. They may have gone >with the Chrysler part which could be a gray or black box with a small >hole in it allowing a screwdriver to be pushed in to reset the internal >timer micro switch. I have one of these on my 88 Dodge full size truck. there is no reset. In fact, James Blair has one laying here right now, I'll go out and photograph it and put in in the XJ/tech directory later... (next day or two.) - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:56:07 EDT From: Flierjon-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: Rear Window Could anyone possibly tell me how to get the rear window up and out of the way so that I can get to the broken motor (on an 83 Wag)? Thanks!! John on Whidbey Island, WA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:37:23 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: fsj: RE: dual transfer cases? It sounds like you want a BW-1339 with a PT kit... JC :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 1:18 PM To: fsj-at-digest.net; xj-at-digest.net Subject: fsj: dual transfer cases? I bought an NP242 from Jim out of his parts XJ and just had a crazy idea... (what else, right? ;) Anyway. I like my NP208 because I can just grab low range with the hubs unlocked and have a granny low... but, I also like the NP242 full time feature for those frosty mornings on the Lowell Road and for the occassional snow we have... So, how does one go about making a dual transfer case setup? Any pictures on line? Also have the Aisin Warner 4 speed auto that I'm gonna connect up first... could complicate the situation as I think the NP208 should be first in line so I can do that low range trick, yet have the differentiated output of the NP242... This is going in my 83 J10 Stepside, so I have lots of room to work with. john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:37:24 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: fsj: RE: Flashing Check the ground wires on the headlight plugs, if they don't get put back on tightly they can develope a loose connection and any vibration can cause this flashing problem. Could be many other things as well (faulty voltage regulator, etc.) but the ground wires are the easies to check and (in my experience) the most often source of a problem like that. JC Jones :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Thunderbird Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 8:34 PM To: graywolf11-at-yahoo.com Subject: fsj: Flashing Lastnight was the first time I had my truck out for any length of time after dark. We were finishing moving and it was loaded up and headed south for the 20 mile drive to the new place. I made the trip without incident. The truck even felt like it wanted to run at 60 (as if it were empty). This was practically an all interstate trip. When I got to my exit and was sitting at the light, all of the sudden my headlights started flashing (about the same speed as signaling about a cop). I messed with the switch, but it didn't seem to have any effect. They would flash for a while then work normally, then flash again. Any thoughts? My first step to fixing it will be a new switch...unless someone has a better idea. Brian 78 J10-4 4bbl/360/TH400/PTQT/D44/D44 97 Thunderbird LX 4.6 V8/Sport "Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo - use in that order." - --Ed Howdershelt ______________________________________________________ Get your free web-based email at http://www.xoom.com Birthday? Anniversary? Send FREE animated greeting cards for any occasion at http://greetings.xoom.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:37:23 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: fsj: RE: RE: RE: Omen's coolant Your smoking situation sounds like worn valve guides and/or seals. JC Jones :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Bob Bradfield Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 3:32 PM To: Robert Barry; Full Size Jeep List Subject: fsj: RE: RE: Omen's coolant Good idea on the new coolant. The engine hasn't been rebuilt but, I'm thinking the radiator needs to be. I've seen a couple of pin holes in it that JB Weld could fix but, after reflecting what dribbled out of there when I drained it, won't use ol' JB. Changing subjects, is a valve job indicated by the white to blue smoke it's exhausting? Seems to diminish after running a while but is always there at start and for the first couple of minutes... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Robert Barry Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 3:16 PM To: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: fsj: RE: Omen's coolant >usually, it gets kinda brownish after it runs through the system once or >twice. Not hot would explain it. I'm still rebuilding this monster, >haven't had it farther than the end of my driveway. Here in Houston, we're >averaging about 98 in the shade right now. I'll let it run for a while and >see ehat happens. With a rebuilt engine, it should NOT turn brown after a couple trips through the engine. Even when diluted to a 50/50 mix, the coolant should remain bright green. I've had to mark a jug "50/50" so I could tell which contained a pre-mixed solution, since you can't tell anything by the color (unless it is *really* weak). Also note that the new "Dex-Cool" or whatever it is called is bright orange in color; if somebody did mix orange and green antifreeze together, they might in fact look rusty brown. I've taken to using the new orange stuff, as it isn't much more expensive, and it has a longer life and more corrosion-inhibitors. ________________________________________________ Bob Barry MailTo:RBarry-at-Providence.Edu http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:45:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: That Little Light -- Brings A New Meaning A: The pics of the timer will have to wait. It's a clear box, and does have a reset hole (it's under the made in taiwan tag) and I haven't checked the diagram to tell whether it's interrelated or not. (I was going to go rip more parts off today, but I whacked myself in the head with the engine hoist while loading it in the truck and got a headache. I fought off taking a nap for obvious reasons, but now my neck is in need of adjustment!) At 10:57 PM 5/29/00 -0400, B. COLUCCI wrote: Greetings James! Ok all of this being said; nowhere on my fiche did I find any information about an emissions timer for an SJ class vehicle. I believe that John is correct in telling you to look for the box with the little gears and unhooking it to kill the light. However, (PAY ATTENTION HERE JOHN) it is not a fluke that your 02 sensor died after pulling your timer connector. The factory manual specifically says that you can turn off the light by pulling the wire; but the timer and the 02 sensor are dependent on each other. Pulling the timer wire will cause the 02 sensor to fail according to the book. This is not a problem for an FSJ. John wrote: I don't think there is any electrical connection between the two whatsoever. The timer is set to go off to get people to have their emissions system tested. The O2 sensor died six months later from old age. Totally unrelated. Theoretically an O2 sensor is good for about 80,000 miles. A: My '83 and '84 FSJs have O2 sensors, but they are both 6 cyls.. John wrote: Not sure where you're getting your info, but the little wagoneer has been running without that timer now for about two years or more... not a problem. B Colucci wrote: Now that is assuming that the same timer was used. They may have gone with the Chrysler part which could be a gray or black box with a small hole in it allowing a screwdriver to be pushed in to reset the internal timer micro switch. I have one of these on my 88 Dodge full size truck. John wrote: there is no reset. In fact, James Blair has one laying here right now, I'll go out and photograph it and put in in the XJ/tech directory later... (next day or two.) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:46:27 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: fsj: RE: Rear Window Hold the switch on the left side of the tailgate with your hand while operating the switch with the key. (Be very careful to not roll it all the way up (and/or out), also be very careful with it extended so as to not break it. JC Jones :) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Flierjon-at-aol.com Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:56 PM To: fsj-at-digest.net Subject: fsj: Rear Window Could anyone possibly tell me how to get the rear window up and out of the way so that I can get to the broken motor (on an 83 Wag)? Thanks!! John on Whidbey Island, WA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: '76 J10 in Baltimore, MD From: "BRIAN DYBA" from the amc-list Subject: Rust Bucket for sale Hi All, I have a 1976 J-10 that I am getting ready to pull apart and scrap if noone wants to buy it from me. It has a rusty body and the engine runs like crap but the rest of the running gear is good and all the glass is intact. The transfercase was supposed to have had a new chain installed a few years ago and the springs have been rearched (one is cracked ). I would like to get $350 for it but am willing to take offers or trades. If anyone needs parts they should email me and I will sell parts from it if noone wants it whole. This is the blue J-10 that was at Cecil Co. on the orange trailer. p.s. I would appreciate it if one of you good folks on the FSJ list would forward this for me Thanks Brian Dyba Baltimore MD ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ JimBlair, Seattle,WA 1983 4.2L Chero 4dr http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html Now appearing on allexperts.com Pics: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=13998&Auth=false ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 05:02:55 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: RE: Rear Window If the motor is shot, that won't help. There are two arms that connect the regulator gear to the bottom window channel. The pins on their ends go through the slots in the channel, and are retained by round clips. Using a pair of pliers, pry the clips off, and free the arms from the window channel. Now the glass can be pushed up out of the way. No, there isn't any room to work, but I didn't design the thing. kim '80 Wagoneer "J0E", 360 v2,T-727,NP219 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "JC Jones" To: "FSJ Digest" Sent: Monday, 29 May, 2000 23:46 Subject: fsj: RE: Rear Window > Hold the switch on the left side of the tailgate with your hand while > operating the switch with the key. (Be very careful to not roll it all the > way up (and/or out), also be very careful with it extended so as to not > break it. > > JC Jones :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > Flierjon-at-aol.com > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:56 PM > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Rear Window > > > Could anyone possibly tell me how to get the rear window up and out of the > way so that I can get to the broken motor (on an 83 Wag)? Thanks!! > > John on Whidbey Island, WA > > > ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #878 *************************