From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Wed Aug 16 07:36:48 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, August 16 2000 Volume 01 : Number 985 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: camp jeep 2000 Re: fsj: Re: 75 JPCH2D fsj: FSJ Shindig, Labor Day, Ouray! Re: fsj: camp jeep 2000 Re: fsj: resistor... Re: fsj: Re: update on camp jeep Re: fsj: Re: Mysterious Death Re: fsj: Mysterious Death Re: fsj: Mysterious Death fsj: Re: FSJ roll bar fsj: More Fun fsj: Re: My 1979 J-10 fsj: Re: 1974 cherokee buick v6 swap Re: fsj: resistor... fsj: thriftside vs. sportside fsj: I need my axle joints replaced.... Re: fsj: I need my axle joints replaced.... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 17:32:23 EDT From: WTraut4178-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: camp jeep 2000 to all who missed camp jeep 2000. SHAME!! SHAME!! I only know of 2 other fsj`s that were there. one was a 80 something wagoneer and the other was a co workers 79 chief you missed a great time and a first class vacation for the whole family Willie 79 wagoneer 51 Willys ps. any coments should be sent to me directly. thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 14:33:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: 75 JPCH2D A: Can you still read the build date? Do you have open or closed front axle joints? (I think John has a pic of both) At 09:07 AM 8/15/00 -0700, Donna Woskow wrote: Hi, I was just looking around for information on the (Recently Discovered) 75 Cherokee S. However, I am confused. Apparently there is mixed information out there, and I have yet to identify my Jeep Cherokee as a 74 or 75 model. When I look up on the registration certificate, it clearly says it is a 75, but pictures bring me to believe it is a 74? or both? The key feature that is confusing me is the rear side window of which mine is solid, and the other pictures show the sliding one like the Chief (of which mine is not). Can you help? Donna <<<< you'll have to go by the VIN. If I remember correctly the windows were optional... (I remember looking at these new)... john ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 15 Aug 00 17:50:22 MDT From: Michael Shimniok Subject: fsj: FSJ Shindig, Labor Day, Ouray! As the time draws closer, many of us are still working on our rigs to get them ready for the big Labor Day shindig in Ouray. I for one am scrambling to get the pieces back together! I just met Lynn Reed driving thru Denver on his way to Ouray to trail test his 77 WT before the event. What a sweet rig! In-cab ride height control, lockers, big meats, and more. Some other sweet FSJs will attend. We expect 12-20 rigs, 6 from out of state! No plans for Labor Day? Come run some trails with us and see some truly unforgettable alpine scenery. The details are on: http://www.cfsja.org/2002/2000.html Michael - --- Michael E. Shimniok - KC0EKI - Michael.Shimniok-at-usa.net "For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." - H. L. Menken ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:39:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: camp jeep 2000 A: I didn't have much choice. I'm remodeling my house and trying to finish building my Jeep. (I sold my '83 Cherokee and '88 XJ to pay for the buildup) WTraut4178-at-aol.com wrote: to all who missed camp jeep 2000. SHAME!! SHAME!! I only know of 2 other fsj`s that were there. one was a 80 something wagoneer and the other was a co workers 79 chief you missed a great time and a first class vacation for the whole family Willie 79 wagoneer 51 Willys ps. any coments should be sent to me directly. thanks. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:10:47 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: resistor... Just curious... are they both 1.1 Ohms? JeepNut john wrote: > my 83 has a resistor on the firewall... > my 88 xj has a resistor on the inner fender... > > john > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > http://www.wagoneers.com/think-about-this.html > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ------------------------------------------------------- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:13:57 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: Re: update on camp jeep Does sound like excellent fun. If they have wench demos next year, I'm IN! ROFLMAO JeepNut john wrote: > cool story... I'm gonna share it with the list bro! > > where is camp jeep next year? :) > > john > > At 05:22 PM 8/15/00 EDT, WTraut4178-at-aol.com wrote: > >In a message dated 08/08/2000 10:40:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > >john-at-virtual-cafe.com writes: > > > ><< cool... camp jeep. :) in your FSJ? right on. :) > > > > hang in there... it's all by faith brother. :) > > > >It was AWESOME!! we cant wait for next year. We think it will be in the same > >spot for the next 2 years but we don't know for sure. It was a first class > >vacation. they had a bunch of vendors set up to show there products and to > >give away bunches of stuff. The coolest thing that we got was a small > stuffed > >Cherokee (about 5 of them) They had all kinds of crafts for the kids and > >grownups alike. Moses Ludel was there sharing stories of 4 wheeling. they > had > >wench demos. Jeep agility challenge and so much I cant write it all down. We > >went on 3 trails with our 79 wag. the first day we went on a scenic trail... > >it wasn't very scenic but it was OK. The 2 and 3 day we went on intermediate > >trails. Awesome, We even went rock crawling!!! Nothing like out west but > very > >fun nevertheless. we had more people comment on our jeep than you can > shake a > >stick at. I only seen 1 other fsj in the whole place! a 80 something year. > >that guy was real nice. our starter went out at the Texaco station on sat > >morning about 830 am. and we had a trail ride at 10am. the owner let my wife > >go get the starter from the local dealer using his truck and I pulled the > bad > >one out while she was gone. when she got back i was waiting on her for the > >new one and put it on in about 3 minutes. Its amazing just how fast you can > >move when it comes to missing a trail ride. :) > >we made it to the staging area in plenty of time but we were the third from > >the back out of 30 vehicles. I bet there were 8000 jeeps!! > >You have to go next year! > >Willie > > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > http://www.wagoneers.com/think-about-this.html > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ------------------------------------------------------- - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:29:49 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Mysterious Death Hi Mr. Wilson, I've just been very much into a similar nightmare regarding this circuitry.... Are you thinking the wire is shorting somewhere along the length of the wire? You said "opening"... but perhaps you mean the juice is just intermittently "gone" out there past the resistor wire? As the wire in question (prior to the resistor) gets it's volts from the ignition switch, to the ECU and then also to the famed resistor wire, then have you cleared the ignition switch from your list of suspects? I've just gone through trying to pull one wire outta the harness and it's doable, but the connectors are not too easy to get out of their mountings and I could kick myself now for not keeping at least the head off the old harness....but I digress... If one could by "new" connectors exactly like what is mounted in the harness, I think it is not out of the question to do. The new harness I got came from a place in Wisconsin. I'll research it further if you'd like to contact then re: obtaining the loose pieces (connectors). JeepNut BLW1540-at-aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/15/00 02:18:56 Central Daylight Time, > mbalea-at-hotmail.com writes: > > > Just buy a 1.35 ohm ballast resistor from Napa or .... pick a source of > > ignition controlled 12v, i used the throttle solenoid wire add a wire to > one > > side of the ballast resistor, connect the other side to the coil... et > > voila. No need to disconnect the old resistor wire. > > The wiring diagram shows a 1.35 Ohm resistor in the circuit someplace ahead > of the coil, but I don't know if it's a resistor, per se, or a section of > wire. Voltage is supposed to be 6 volts, +/- 0.5, at the coil when the > coil's connected and 12 when it's disconnected, which is approximately what I > saw when there was power in the line. The problem is in finding where in the > line it's coming open because it won't stay open; and it's that which has me > about ready to replace that wire all the way back to the firewall. > > Bruce Wilson > 84 GW > Des Moines, IA - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:47:35 EDT From: BLW1540-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fsj: Mysterious Death In a message dated 08/15/00 10:41:13 Central Daylight Time, jcjones-at-ifsja.org writes: > If you don't have a large white ballast resistor mounted to the firewall > or mounted next to the coil, then you would be dealing with > a "resistor wire". I would think the easiest solution would be to run a new > wire and mount a ballast resistor right by the coil > (pick up a coil mount from an older Jeep and it will have the resistor mount > - and probably the resistor already there). It had a resistor wire -- burned to a crisp inside the loom above the brake master cylinder where it'd doubled back on itself -- and I got a 3.5 Ohm resistor that's going to be mounted on the firewall in the same area, with standard 18 AWG wire, like that in the rest of the circuit, replacing the resistance wire between it and the coil. Bruce Wilson 84 GW Des Moines, IA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:13:28 -0500 From: JeepNut Subject: Re: fsj: Mysterious Death Hi Mr. Wilson, Yep for sure in the '88 wiring harness it's an actual wire not a mounted resistor anywhere and I'd ALMOST swear my '84 was the same.... I wouldn't swear that the colors are right for the '84, but what my '88 has is a yellow wire, starts at ignition switch, up to the fusepanel. It splits there. Fused Yellow wire supplies volts to Chime Module / Rear Defogger. UNfused yellow wire continues to the engine compartment via the fuseblock plug. It splits. One yellow wire to 2-connector harness on the ECU. Other yellow wire continues to the pass side of the head. Where it splits. (this is all inside the plastic loom now -or should be ) One yellow section runs thru 5 Ohms worth of resistor wire, down to the alternator (according to diagram now, I have not personally measured this). My alt has a white plastic 2 wire plug in addition to the large red lead. This is one of those 2 wires in the plug. Other section is 1.35 Ohm resistor wire then splits. (This section I have ohmed out, etc.) Green wire with trace runs to solenoid F post (top spade). Other section runs to coil + as red wire. So if you're losing volts at coil + during key on, ... well you've gotta consider the ignition switch. Could be loose where it splits at the fusepanel. I haven't SEEN this connection actually so not sure if this is crimped as most are... It won't be the fuse according to what I see as the yellow wire into the engine compartment splits off instead of being fused.... Is your little noise suppressor capacitor connected? Out there on the coil... Take it loose. It's a route to ground if the cap is bad. Could ground the coil intermittantly at the + terminal. But ground would be... well, catastrophic if it were before the resistor wire and it wouldn't run at all if it were after the resistor wire because it would burn in half probably... so it isn't that. But if you're losing volts at coil+, it's either a failing source (the ignition switch) ... or more likely a failing connection between there and coil +. I think you're on the right track re: the resistor wire also being a candidate. But to really test your theory, you're gonna have to open the loom, cut wires/reconnect and/or introduce a properly connected jumper with 1.35 ohms into the circuit to eliminate that section of wiring (resistor wire part). If you follow the yellow wire into the loom, you see it split off like I described. This was from a stock '88 Grand Waggie. Follow it back from that solenoid terminal, Green wire with trace.... at the first junction, one side is the resistor wire... One final thought. Don't discount this being mechanical. Say what? If the ignition switch is slightly loose, it can slip on the column. If that happens you could find that the supply to the yellow wire is interupted intermittently. Driving down the road with the key in the ON position, if the connections in the switch are only slightly made.... it could open and close unexectedly... Hope I helped. Electrical stuff can be a pain. Good Luck with it... JeepNut BLW1540-at-aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 08/14/00 22:40:01 Central Daylight Time, jcjones-at-ifsja.org > writes: > > > is there a reason that an inline resistor would not do the same thing? My > > coil on my 76 Wagoneer has an external power resistor on > > it with a bracket holding it that looks factory. > > There's no reason to think that an appropriate resistor wouldn't do as well > as a section of resistance wire. My problem at the moment in this respect is > that the wiring diagram shows a resistor but doesn't make it clear where it's > located or if it's an actual resistor or a section of resistance wire that > measures 1.35 Ohms. > > Whichever it may be, it appears to be functioning properly when the circuit's > not open; and the problem now is that it won't stay open to allow me to find > where it's coming open. > > Bruce Wilson > 84 GW > Des Moines, IA - -- - ---------------------------------------------------------------- '87 Street Comanche #24/100 '88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... '92 Cherokee - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: FSJ roll bar I saw a roll cage for a Full size cherokee on scotty's site... I don't think there is a problem with the Wagoneer though... they are proven to be solid... john On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Allan Weidenheimer wrote: >-->John, >--> Have you ever heard of a rollbar being available that will fit in a >-->wagoneer? >-->Seeing all those photos of rolled exploders has me thinking about how little >-->steel there is holding the roof of a wagoneer up. Being a family rig, my >-->kids >-->are usually in the back. I would not want it to collapse like the explorers >-->do >-->in a rollover. >--> >-->Allan Weidenheimer >-->87 GW >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:29:05 EDT From: BLW1540-at-aol.com Subject: fsj: More Fun While examining the GW in the course of trying to figure out the "mysterious death" problem, I observed the metal fuel line coming off the top of the fuel pump appeared to be somewhat misshapen and kinked, to the point I thought it remarkable that fuel had been flowing through it at that point. Of course this particular item's no longer available from the dealer, so I spent a good portion of the evening/night fabricating a new one, after a trip to NAPA for a length of brake line of the appropriate diameter (5/16") and a good bender. I guess we'll see how well I did after I get the wiring problem fixed and fire it up. Bruce Wilson 84 GW Des Moines, IA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:25:44 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: My 1979 J-10 since the cab on the J-trucks is the same from 63 until 88... there should be sliders out there some where. :) jc whitney might be a source for rubber flares. as far as the carrier, I think I saw something that might work on the killer32 site, it's scotty's brushguards and bumpers for full size jeeps. john On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 Autogold1-at-aol.com wrote: >-->John, >-->I am thrilled to see someone out there covering the FSJ's. I have been having >-->a hard time locating certain things for my 1979 J-10- I-6 258, 427 gears, >-->Clifford Headers, Dana 44 front and rear + 4" superlift and some other mods. >-->I have been looking for a rear slider style window and all the glass >-->companies I call list that piece of glass as "obsolete." I have also been >-->looking for a rear bumper that would be compatable with a spare carrier >-->(swing away style). I am also looking for replacement wheelflares- >-->preferrably not the metal that has so easily rusted away, but black rubber- >-->Do you know of any parts supplier that specializes in aftermarket or even oem >-->parts and accessories for J-10s or Wagoneers. If so could you please e-mail >-->me some info at ranierlight1-at-yahoo.com ? If you are still writing your book, >-->I have some pretty good J-10 pictures. good luck, >-->Kevin Hohman >-->Boulder, Colorado >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: 1974 cherokee buick v6 swap On Tue, 15 Aug 2000 RVilla6559-at-aol.com wrote: >-->do you know of a conversion kit for this swap.It has a 360ci and what appears >-->to be a Chrysler transmission. if it's a 76 Cherokee that's a TH400. Swapping in a Buick engine would involve recasing the transmission to a BPO format. I'm sure you could get advance adapters to sell you one to do it, but since it's a GM tranny you might as well have the case swapped. :) What size V6 are you thinking of using? I used a 3.8L Buick V6 from an 80 or 81 GM in my 67 Wagoneer... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:29:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: resistor... On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, JeepNut wrote: >-->Just curious... are they both 1.1 Ohms? >--> JeepNut don't know... that's really hard to measure... :) john >--> >-->john wrote: >--> >-->> my 83 has a resistor on the firewall... >-->> my 88 xj has a resistor on the inner fender... >-->> >-->> john >-->> ------------------------------------------------------ >-->> http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >-->> http://www.wagoneers.com/think-about-this.html >-->> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >-->> ------------------------------------------------------- >--> >-->-- >-->---------------------------------------------------------------- >-->'87 Street Comanche #24/100 >-->'88 Grand Wagoneer ...and they say there's only one... >-->'92 Cherokee >-->---------------------------------------------------------------- >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:04:03 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: thriftside vs. sportside thriftside: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Portland-64-J200/ALL-pix.html http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Portland-64-J200/S008I005.JPG sportside: http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/superdawg.jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Suspension/J10-poormans-lift/FINISHED-side-shot.jpg ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:27:35 -0700 From: "Joe Hughes" Subject: fsj: I need my axle joints replaced.... My passenger side Carden Joint has no bearings left in it. I bought the parts at Pep Boys ($13.99). I was hoping I could change it out without taking the axle out, but I guess that isn't the case. I'm gonna attempt it myself tomorrow. If I can't do it tomorrow I guess I'm gonna take it in to the local 4x4 shop (FYI: Palmer's, for those folks that are local). They want $295 just for the labor. Ouch! I hate paying someone to work on my FSJ. ne1 know of a good tranny or differential shop in the Seattle area? **************************** Joe Hughes 83 Wagoneer Ltd Everett, WA mailto:whomever-at-whoever.com **************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:06:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: I need my axle joints replaced.... A: John's mechanic Jim Startup, or Olympic 4x4 should cost about $100 =A0=A0 Message Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net From: whomever-at-whoever.com (Joe=A0Hughes) Date: Tue, Aug 15, 1995, 11:27pm To: fsj-at-digest.net (Fsj-at-Digest. Net) Subject: fsj: I need my axle joints replaced.... My passenger side Carden Joint has no bearings left in it. I bought the parts at Pep Boys ($13.99). I was hoping I could change it out without taking the axle out, but I guess that isn't the case. I'm gonna attempt it myself tomorrow. If I can't do it tomorrow I guess I'm gonna take it in to the local 4x4 shop (FYI: Palmer's, for those folks that are local). They want $295 just for the labor. Ouch! I hate paying someone to work on my FSJ. ne1 know of a good tranny or differential shop in the Seattle area? **************************** Joe Hughes 83 Wagoneer Ltd Everett, WA mailto:whomever-at-whoever.com **************************** ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '83 Cher 4dr, '84 J10 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #985 *************************