From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Aug 24 13:53:06 2000 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Thursday, August 24 2000 Volume 01 : Number 998 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Hootus fsj: Re: diesel fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Re: diesel fsj: Re: Hootus Re: fsj: Re: Hootus fsj: auto to manual fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Re: diesel fsj: full time vs part time fsj: Y'all write this down! Y'heah? (was) Re: [1FSJ] Wiring diagrams fsj: speedos and superdawg Re: fsj: Y'all write this down! Y'heah? (was) Re: [1FSJ] Wiring diagrams Re: fsj: Y'all write this down! Y'heah? (was) Re: [1FSJ] Wiring diagrams Re: fsj: Y'all write this down! Y'heah? (was) Re: [1FSJ] Wiring diagrams fsj: not sure what is going on... fsj: RE: not sure what is going on... fsj: Re: need motor fsj: Re: not sure what is going on... FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:37:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Hootus A: I not only read it, I posted to it too! Now I have to go back, and mention John's list too! ROFLMFAO! I wrote on the post: I'm just posting to let you know I have read about this in the 1FSJ-at-Egroups.com list (1 full size Jeep) with 900 members, the AMC-list on http://www.amxfiles.com (1000+ members), and http://www.jokeaday.com (almost 1 million viewers) I hope it's worn off by the time I'm out for Ouray 2003 Jeepfest! Tim wrote: This is the funniest thread I have ever read! Worth the time to go through it all! http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18595&pagenumber =1 Tim Lynn "ToolMan-JeepBum" "It's a Jeep Thing" ICQ 21916084 75' J-10(in restoration-unnamed) 96' XJ(Skinny) 67' CJ-5(Crusty) 74' Wag(parts) 77' J-10(Bull-Dawg) 401/TH400, QT, 4" lift, MSD6T & billet dist., 32x11.5 AT's, tlynn-at-sheltonbbs.com

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************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:39:14 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: diesel At 03:39 PM 8/25/00 -0400, john conard wrote: >>>> hello my name is john and I have been looking for any one who has a diesel in there jeep I have a 1981 CJ 7 I want to convert to diesel and was wondering if you could help . what kind of diesel did you put in and how hard was it to convert to diesel any little bit of info will be fantastic thanks <<<< john, I didn't complete the project. However, I did figure out what was needed and had it all ready to go. Someday I'll do it, really I will... right after I build the garage... and fix the picket fence Old Blue wiped out... what was that, about 5 years ago now? ;) Basically there are three issues to resolve, depending on which engine you choose. Since the issues related to any engine swap exist, that is the motor mounts, transmission match and exhaust connections, the only other issues specific to converting a Jeep to a Diesel would be related to the POWER BRAKES and the FUEL system. Diesels have no vacuum, so power boosts are needed to operate power brakes. There are a variety of power boosters out there on Fords and GMs that work of the power steering. Not really a big deal, but a hassle. The other issue is the Fuel System... you'll need to make the system happy with Diesel from filler to injector. Not a big deal, but if you don't do it right it won't work or you'll damage your injector pump. The only other possible issue with be wiring the glowplugs and eliminating the resistor used in the ignition system for starting and so on. A minor task really, all things considered. :) In all honesty converting to Diesel is less involved than converting to Electronic Fuel Injection. I was thinking about using a 4.0L in my 83 J10 that has a 258 now. One of the guys I used to write with up on a commercial site decided to replace his carb'd 4 cyl in his xj to a newer 2.5L with fuel injection... he said making that change was harder than doing the engine swap... :) Since he's a professional mechanic that says a lot. Of course most mechanics are big chickens when it comes to wiring stuff. It's hard to use a wrench on a wire... and the stuff is so mysterious... ;) Speaking of which, I need to go figure out which connector or component on my 258 is acting up again... :( Worked all the way to work and part of the way out of the drive at work before it started acting up... not sure if it's the distr adv mech, the brain or just old connectors... but I ain't gonna figure it out on the keyboard. :) later, john meister - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 20:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Re: diesel A: I haven't heard any complaints yet on the Hydroboost, other than the cost when the booster goes bad. In fact, you have more brake power with the Hydroboost if the engine dies than a regular vac brake after the 2nd pump! (And better when they work too!) IF I liked diesels, I would have a turbo Nissan in my Jeep so fast it would make your head spin! 4 speed AW4 and all! (I might yet do that to an XJ with a NP242!) What year was the 4 banger with EFI from? The earlier one was a pain! (Worse than the Renix I'm putting in!) The later model is like a 2 wire hookup I hear. john-at-wagoneers.com wrote: At 03:39 PM 8/25/00 -0400, john conard wrote: hello my name is john and I have been looking for any one who has a diesel in there jeep I have a 1981 CJ 7 I want to convert to diesel and was wondering if you could help . what kind of diesel did you put in and how hard was it to convert to diesel any little bit of info will be fantastic thanks <<<< john, I didn't complete the project. However, I did figure out what was needed and had it all ready to go. Someday I'll do it, really I will... right after I build the garage... and fix the picket fence Old Blue wiped out... what was that, about 5 years ago now? ;) Basically there are three issues to resolve, depending on which engine you choose. Since the issues related to any engine swap exist, that is the motor mounts, transmission match and exhaust connections, the only other issues specific to converting a Jeep to a Diesel would be related to the POWER BRAKES and the FUEL system. Diesels have no vacuum, so power boosts are needed to operate power brakes. There are a variety of power boosters out there on Fords and GMs that work of the power steering. Not really a big deal, but a hassle. The other issue is the Fuel System... you'll need to make the system happy with Diesel from filler to injector. Not a big deal, but if you don't do it right it won't work or you'll damage your injector pump. The only other possible issue with be wiring the glowplugs and eliminating the resistor used in the ignition system for starting and so on. A minor task really, all things considered. :) In all honesty converting to Diesel is less involved than converting to Electronic Fuel Injection. I was thinking about using a 4.0L in my 83 J10 that has a 258 now. One of the guys I used to write with up on a commercial site decided to replace his carb'd 4 cyl in his xj to a newer 2.5L with fuel injection... he said making that change was harder than doing the engine swap... :) Since he's a professional mechanic that says a lot. Of course most mechanics are big chickens when it comes to wiring stuff. It's hard to use a wrench on a wire... and the stuff is so mysterious... ;) Speaking of which, I need to go figure out which connector or component on my 258 is acting up again... :( Worked all the way to work and part of the way out of the drive at work before it started acting up... not sure if it's the distr adv mech, the brain or just old connectors... but I ain't gonna figure it out on the keyboard. :) later, john meister - --------- ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:01:11 -0600 From: "Kim Smith" Subject: fsj: Re: Hootus This is too funny! I guess he can always open a restaurant, with well endowed guys instead of well endowed gals waiting tables. kim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "TLynn" To: Sent: 23 August, 2000 21:33 Subject: fsj: Hootus > This is the funniest thread I have ever read! Worth the time to go through > it all! > http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18595&pagenumber > =1 > Tim Lynn > "ToolMan-JeepBum" > "It's a Jeep Thing" > ICQ 21916084 > 75' J-10(in restoration-unnamed) > 96' XJ(Skinny) > 67' CJ-5(Crusty) > 74' Wag(parts) > 77' J-10(Bull-Dawg) 401/TH400, QT, 4" lift, MSD6T & billet dist., 32x11.5 > AT's, > tlynn-at-sheltonbbs.com > > >
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------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:14:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Re: Hootus A: But how would you tell which was real or bondo or not with Herculiner on it? All ribbing aside, he'd be in real traction if he used the wrong chemical! May be time to buy a FSJ and go for skindiving! Kim Smith wrote: This is too funny! I guess he can always open a restaurant, with well endowed guys instead of well endowed gals waiting tables. kim - ----- Original Message ----- From: "TLynn" To: Sent: 23 August, 2000 21:33 Subject: fsj: Hootus This is the funniest thread I have ever read! Worth the time to go through it all! http://www.explorerforum.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=18595&pagenumber =1 Tim Lynn "ToolMan-JeepBum" "It's a Jeep Thing" ICQ 21916084 75' J-10(in restoration-unnamed) 96' XJ(Skinny) 67' CJ-5(Crusty) 74' Wag(parts) 77' J-10(Bull-Dawg) 401/TH400, QT, 4" lift, MSD6T & billet dist., 32x11.5 AT's, tlynn-at-sheltonbbs.com

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************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:16:05 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: auto to manual >Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:19:35 -0500 >From: "Landon Tesar" >Subject: fsj: T18 and 300 TC for sale > >Oooh, how tough to go from TF-727 to a 4 spd manual in a GW ? > >- - Landon >- ----------------------------------------- Other than the possible need to relocate the crossmember a bit (bolt holes are already there) and different driveshafts, the only other issues are changing out the brake pedal assy and putting in one from a clutch... and of course the shifter... I've gone from manual to automatic a few times... never the other way. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:10:54 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: [1FSJ] Re: diesel At 08:57 PM 8/23/00 -0700, James Blair wrote: > What year was the 4 banger with EFI from? The earlier one was a pain! I think it was from a 92 or so... his xj was an 84 or 85... it was the multi-point injection setup... I think it was just the hassle of running all that wiring. john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:19:09 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: full time vs part time >What was the deal with the NP208 ? Full-time 4WD only, or no fully locked >mode ? >Getting a manual trans would be great, even if we have to give up dry >pavement 4WD hi range. > >- - Landon >- -------------- NP208 is a part time unit... that means you can't drive on hard surfaces. a full time unit is like the BW1339, NP219 or NP228/9 or NP242, either called Quadratrac or Selectrac. (also on the trans swap you'd need a flywheel/clutch etc... ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:42:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: fsj: Y'all write this down! Y'heah? (was) Re: [1FSJ] Wiring diagrams A: Rather than fight with the &%$%#$ Dealers about whether or not you can get the diagram through them, bypass the middle idiot, and call Dyment for Jeep Service Manuals Where to order: By phone, Mon-Fri 8-4:30 E.S.T: 800-890-4038 (Voice), 216-572-0815 (fax) Or by mail: Jeep Eagle Publications c/o Dyment Distribution Services P.O. Box 360450 Strongsville, OH 44136 R.J. Baynum wrote: Ask John at http://www.wagoneers.com Also ask the local dealership for a TSM for your FSJ A bit spendy but well worth it.. R.J. jjwilcoff-at-earthlink.net wrote: Hey all- Anyone have a detailed wiring diagram for an '88 GW? Pref from a shop manual? Or better yet, have a good source for a shop manual? My Haynes has some good information, but the specific diagrams aren't comprehensive enough to track down what I'm looking for. I'm beginning to envy my fiancee's '63 cj with a total of 41 electrical components on the entire vehicle. The entire wiring diagram takes up 1/2 page. They just don't build them like that anymore. ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:05:53 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: speedos and superdawg John B. and Jimmy B... you were both right. :) john, your GPS was correct, we were going 5 mph faster than indicated on my speedo. Jim, my odometer with 29 tooth gear is 1 mile = .993 miles. :) so the odometer is correct, and the speedo bad... well, off consistently 5mph. :) I'm gonna see if the xj speedo head can't be made to fit the sj panel... :) can you say trip odometer? :) I knew you couild. :) Also superdawg is sputtering again... I'm gonna swapout the brain box since I have three here... :) also need to replace the o-ring on the speedo gear thing... it's 10pm... good time to start major projects... ;) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:32:11 -0500 From: "R.J. Baynum" Subject: Re: fsj: Y'all write this down! Y'heah? (was) Re: [1FSJ] Wiring diagrams Oh.. Well this is the first time I have ever heard of this place. I wish I knew a long time ago.. Thanks Jim! Keep this one on file.. any web site? R.J. James Blair wrote: > A: Rather than fight with the &%$%#$ Dealers about whether or not you > can get the diagram through them, bypass the middle idiot, and call > Dyment for > Jeep Service Manuals > > Where to order: > By phone, Mon-Fri 8-4:30 E.S.T: > 800-890-4038 (Voice), 216-572-0815 (fax) Or by mail: Jeep Eagle > Publications > c/o Dyment Distribution Services > P.O. Box 360450 > Strongsville, OH 44136 > > R.J. Baynum wrote: > Ask John at http://www.wagoneers.com > Also ask the local dealership for a TSM for your FSJ A bit spendy but > well worth it.. > R.J. > jjwilcoff-at-earthlink.net wrote: > Hey all- > Anyone have a detailed wiring diagram for an '88 GW? Pref from a shop > manual? Or better yet, have a good source for a shop manual? My Haynes > has some good information, but the specific diagrams aren't > comprehensive enough to track down what I'm looking for. I'm beginning > to envy my fiancee's '63 cj with a total of 41 electrical components on > the entire vehicle. The entire wiring diagram takes up 1/2 page. They > just don't build them like that anymore. > > ************************************* > JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 > http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html > ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:26:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Carnuck-at-webtv.net (James Blair) Subject: Re: fsj: Y'all write this down! Y'heah? (was) Re: [1FSJ] Wiring diagrams A: I have posted it at least 6 times on the list (which is why I keep saying to write it down! I got my MR 253 (which covers my '84 J10) for $33 and the wiring diagram was $8 plus shipping and tax. No website I know of, but they supply all the Jeep manuals for Chryco. RJ wrote: Oh.. Well this is the first time I have ever heard of this place. I wish I knew a long time ago.. Thanks Jim! Keep this one on file.. any web site? R.J. James Blair wrote: A: Rather than fight with the &%$%#$ Dealers about whether or not you can get the diagram through them, bypass the middle idiot, and call Dyment for Jeep Service Manuals Where to order: By phone, Mon-Fri 8-4:30 E.S.T: 800-890-4038 (Voice), 216-572-0815 (fax) Or by mail: Jeep Eagle Publications c/o Dyment Distribution Services P.O. Box 360450 Strongsville, OH 44136 ************************************* JimBlair, Seattle,WA '84 J10 EFax:603-215-1688 http://homepages.go.com/~carnuck/carnuck.html ************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 21:56:32 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Y'all write this down! Y'heah? (was) Re: [1FSJ] Wiring diagrams On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, R.J. Baynum wrote: >-->Oh.. Well this is the first time I have ever heard of this place. >-->I wish I knew a long time ago.. Thanks Jim! >--> >-->Keep this one on file.. any web site? http://www.wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/SPECS-n-MISC/manuals.html been there for a while... I'll add this newest info to the bottom. john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 22:07:06 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: not sure what is going on... superdawg is spitting up oil out of the air cleaner! I changed the brain, actually the ignition module, it's not a brain... ;) No change... didn't expect any. I was hoping the connectors being corroded would clear by changing... I cleaned all the connectors and it's still running rough... but didn't seem like it was missing like it was. If it acts up tomorrow I'll do one of two things. I'll either tear ALL the wiring out and make my own harness, or I'll buy a used mercedes diesel and park superdawg until I can do a frame up resto... ;) Or I'll keep messing around with it until something breaks completely. :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:37:21 -0600 From: "JC Jones" Subject: fsj: RE: not sure what is going on... John, Have you done a compression and leakdown test? If you have a weak cyl. and are getting excessive pressure in the crankcase you can get oil through the PCV valve. Also, if the oil return drains in the head get clogged, your valve cover can get filled with oil also causing extra oil to come through the PCV valve. After running for a while, shut off the engine and open the oil fill cap and see if there is an excessive amount of oil under the valve cover. *==========================================* * JC Jones * * 76 Wagoneer (Road Warrior) * * 84 Grand Wagoneer (Eeyore) * * http://www.wagoneer.net * *==========================================* > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of > john > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 11:07 PM > To: full size jeep list > Subject: fsj: not sure what is going on... > > > superdawg is spitting up oil out of the air cleaner! > I changed the brain, actually the ignition module, it's not > a brain... ;) No change... didn't expect any. I was hoping > the connectors being corroded would clear by changing... > > I cleaned all the connectors and it's still running rough... but > didn't seem like it was missing like it was. > > If it acts up tomorrow I'll do one of two things. I'll either > tear ALL the wiring out and make my own harness, or I'll buy a > used mercedes diesel and park superdawg until I can do a frame up > resto... ;) > > Or I'll keep messing around with it until something breaks completely. :) > > john > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com > don't leave life without Jesus, please... > Snohomish, Washington USA > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:59:06 -0700 From: john Subject: fsj: Re: need motor I'll pass this along to a couple lists... shipping a motor is harder than shipping an xfr case. :) You'll want someone a tad bit closer to Georgia... :) john At 02:08 PM 8/24/00 GMT, ewrtwt wtertt wrote: >Hey John, > Dave Monson here, remember me I got a transfer case from you a >year or so ago and I'm in need of a fresh motor for my 83 jeep wagoneer it >has a 360 in it that is very tired and likes to mark it's territory too much >these days. Please let me know if you know someone that has one for sale or >who rebuilds them resonable. > Thanks Dave >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:19:13 -0400 From: "Ray (lists)" Subject: fsj: Re: not sure what is going on... I had that problem in my old YJ (same engine). Essentially, the PCV isn't keeping up with the blowby. In other words, you have pressure in your crank case. OK... here's the deal. You have a Positive Crankcase Vent (PCV) valve stuck into a little rubber thingie. The other end of the PCV valve is hooked to a good vacuum source. The idea is that it sucks the fumes out of the crankcase. There is another hose that goes from the crankcase to the inside of the air cleaner. This is makeup air for the crank case. If the PCV doesn't suck enough, vaporized oil comes through the makeup hose and condenses in that little white scrubby thing or in the air filter housing itself. First, check the PCV valve and make sure that it isn't clogged or otherwise obstructed. Pull the PCV out of the little rubber thingie that it's stuck into and make sure that it's sucking properly. If it's sucking properly, pull the oil filler cap off and see if there are fumes coming out. If fumes are coming out of the crankcase, you either have a PCV that doesn't suck enough, or some piston rings that blow too much. If the PCV system needs to be fixed, you're in luck. If you have excessive blowby, you're SOL and have to either live with it or do a ring job. Ray Drouillard - ----- Original Message ----- From: john To: full size jeep list Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 1:07 AM Subject: fsj: not sure what is going on... > superdawg is spitting up oil out of the air cleaner! > I changed the brain, actually the ignition module, it's not > a brain... ;) No change... didn't expect any. I was hoping > the connectors being corroded would clear by changing... > > I cleaned all the connectors and it's still running rough... but > didn't seem like it was missing like it was. > > If it acts up tomorrow I'll do one of two things. I'll either > tear ALL the wiring out and make my own harness, or I'll buy a > used mercedes diesel and park superdawg until I can do a frame up > resto... ;) > > Or I'll keep messing around with it until something breaks completely. :) > > john ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #998 *************************