From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sat Aug 20 12:56:19 2011 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Saturday, August 20 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3778 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag fsj: the future of emissions testing in WA RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag fsj: old wheels... RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:32:38 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag Actually, I know at least 4 people who put Eagle tcases in place of FSJ ones when they blew up because they didn't need the low range and it was cheaper. No lever for low range and the front (maybe the rear too) yoke needs swapping from the old case, otherwise it's a straight bolt in. > Subject: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag > To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; carnuck-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > From: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com > Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:23:31 +0000 > > It would take a mind even more twisted and tangled than anything that jim blair could macgiver together, but if you did find such you'd be obligated to learn the rest of THAT story. :) > > > What concerns me is the possibility of FIAT parts ending up in Jeeps, Renault parts were bad enough. > > :) > John > > ------Original Message------ > From: Ken Gaines > Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net > To: Jim Blair-email > To: FSJ > ReplyTo: Ken Gaines > Subject: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag > Sent: Aug 19, 2011 06:28 > > I sure hope not > On Aug 19, 2011 12:51 AM, "Jim Blair" wrote: > > > > Someone MAY have substituted an Eagle's NP129 (or 128 or 119) for the GW's > NP229 (I'm planning to go the other way around!) > > > > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:24:40 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag > >> From: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > >> To: timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; fsj-at-digest.net > >> > >> When I finally get the thing home I'll dig into the t-case linkage stuff. > I > >> really don't know how to tell if there are any parts missing there or > not. > >> Is there supposed to be some sort of intermediate linkage rod between > that > >> lever arm and the t-case itself? > >> On Aug 18, 2011 5:05 PM, "T.Halmshaw" wrote: > >> > From the pics, it looks like the linkage that is disco'd is the LO/HI > >> > range. I hope all the parts are there to get it back together. The > >> > vacuum motor is still connected but it is all covered with grease and > >> > other assorted nasty. > >> > > >> > > >> > Agreed it is the hi/lo linkage, on the 229 that's the only linkage they > >> > have, the rest is vacuum operated and if the vacuum disconnects they > >> > will eventually find neutral. > > > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:58:15 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: the future of emissions testing in WA only 8 more years... or 4 more wasted trips... or another $120 or more... FROM: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2015951255_emission19m.html State phasing out vehicle-emission testing New technology has led the state to begin easing up and eventually phasing out the state's emission-testing law. By Susan Gilmore A car's computers can tell you everything, such as how tightly your gas cap is fitting, what your fuel efficiency is and even what your wheel speed is to control the brakes. Now this new technology has an added bonus: It's part of the reason behind the easing up and eventually phasing out of the state's emission-testing law. Owners of newer cars will be exempted from the state Department of Ecology's testing program under new rules, adopted this week, that will go into effect in July 2012. All 2009 and newer cars won't have to undergo emission tests, and additional businesses, such as car dealerships, may be authorized to do the tests. The new rules eliminate some testing that is believed less relevant as vehicles become more fuel-efficient. The state now tests about 1 million cars a year, said John Raymond, a planner with the air-quality program with the Department of Ecology. The state already exempts from testing cars that are five years old or newer, so the new law won't really go into effect until 2014. That year the state expects to test just 88 percent of the state's vehicles, or 880,000. By 2019, when the program is scheduled to end, just 54 percent of the vehicles, or 544,000, will be tested. The state first began testing cars in 1981. But the state Legislature has not authorized a vehicle-emission program beyond 2019 because cars are expected to be clean enough by then that air quality won't be a problem, Raymond said. The changes are expected to save car owners and testing facilities about $19 million, according to the ecology department. Of the current $15 testing fee, $12 goes to the contracting agency that runs the station and $3 into the state's general fund, or about $3 million a year. Among the other rule changes: b" The state will no longer require testing of a vehicle's gas cap. Raymond said the car's computers will check on this and the testing is no longer required. That will save $2.5 million in equipment and staffing. b" People will be able to have their cars tested at a private testing station, such as an auto dealership, where there's no limit on what they can charge. Raymond said some owners may find it more convenient to have their car tested at a dealership and save a trip to an emission-testing station b^T even if it costs more money. That change is expected to save $8.5 million because the state expects maybe 10 percent of vehicle owners will opt for a private testing site. But it's also not clear whether the dealerships will want to invest in the expensive equipment needed to do the testing. b" Light-duty diesel trucks won't have to go through emission testing because they aren't big polluters. Raymond said less than 10 percent of vehicle owners fail the emissions test. If they do fail and spend at least $150 to try to get their cars to pass and still fail, the vehicle owner can get the emission test waived for that test cycle. Cars must go through emission testing every two years. The state doesn't plan to add more emission stations but may expand the hours at existing ones for convenience. Only vehicles in King, Pierce, Snohomish, Clark and Spokane counties, the state's most-populous counties, are required to go through emission testing. Seattle Times staff reporter quotes The worst part of getting a car tested was the hours available. Virtually impossible to... (August 18, 2011, by punkateer) Read more quotes About time. We wasted more fuel driving to and from these testing facilities than was ... (August 18, 2011, by Keep Trying) Read more quotes Date Line 2019: The State imposes a $3 per car vehicle 'Not Testing Anymore" tax... (August 18, 2011, by booger88) Read more Read all 78 comments > Post a comment > ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:05:14 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag The new Wag will be at my dad's place tomorrow. Can't wait... On Aug 19, 2011 1:33 PM, "Jim Blair" wrote: > Actually, I know at least 4 people who put Eagle tcases in place of FSJ ones > when they blew up because they didn't need the low range and it was cheaper. > No lever for low range and the front (maybe the rear too) yoke needs > swapping from the old case, otherwise it's a straight bolt in. > >> Subject: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag >> To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; carnuck-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net >> From: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com >> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:23:31 +0000 >> >> It would take a mind even more twisted and tangled than anything that jim > blair could macgiver together, but if you did find such you'd be obligated to > learn the rest of THAT story. :) >> >> >> What concerns me is the possibility of FIAT parts ending up in Jeeps, > Renault parts were bad enough. >> >> :) >> John >> >> ------Original Message------ >> From: Ken Gaines >> Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net >> To: Jim Blair-email >> To: FSJ >> ReplyTo: Ken Gaines >> Subject: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag >> Sent: Aug 19, 2011 06:28 >> >> I sure hope not >> On Aug 19, 2011 12:51 AM, "Jim Blair" wrote: >> > >> > Someone MAY have substituted an Eagle's NP129 (or 128 or 119) for the > GW's >> NP229 (I'm planning to go the other way around!) >> > >> > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 >> > >> > >> >> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:24:40 -0500 >> >> Subject: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag >> >> From: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com >> >> To: timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; fsj-at-digest.net >> >> >> >> When I finally get the thing home I'll dig into the t-case linkage > stuff. >> I >> >> really don't know how to tell if there are any parts missing there or >> not. >> >> Is there supposed to be some sort of intermediate linkage rod between >> that >> >> lever arm and the t-case itself? >> >> On Aug 18, 2011 5:05 PM, "T.Halmshaw" wrote: >> >> > From the pics, it looks like the linkage that is disco'd is the LO/HI >> >> > range. I hope all the parts are there to get it back together. The >> >> > vacuum motor is still connected but it is all covered with grease and >> >> > other assorted nasty. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Agreed it is the hi/lo linkage, on the 229 that's the only linkage > they >> >> > have, the rest is vacuum operated and if the vacuum disconnects they >> >> > will eventually find neutral. >> >> >> __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:16:09 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag good luck sleeping... ;) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Ken Gaines wrote: # The new Wag will be at my dad's place tomorrow. Can't wait... # On Aug 19, 2011 1:33 PM, "Jim Blair" wrote: # > Actually, I know at least 4 people who put Eagle tcases in place of FSJ # ones # > when they blew up because they didn't need the low range and it was # cheaper. # > No lever for low range and the front (maybe the rear too) yoke needs # > swapping from the old case, otherwise it's a straight bolt in. # > # >> Subject: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag # >> To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; carnuck-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net # >> From: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com # >> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:23:31 +0000 # >> # >> It would take a mind even more twisted and tangled than anything that jim # > blair could macgiver together, but if you did find such you'd be obligated # to # > learn the rest of THAT story. :) # >> # >> # >> What concerns me is the possibility of FIAT parts ending up in Jeeps, # > Renault parts were bad enough. # >> # >> :) # >> John # >> # >> ------Original Message------ # >> From: Ken Gaines # >> Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net # >> To: Jim Blair-email # >> To: FSJ # >> ReplyTo: Ken Gaines # >> Subject: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag # >> Sent: Aug 19, 2011 06:28 # >> # >> I sure hope not # >> On Aug 19, 2011 12:51 AM, "Jim Blair" wrote: # >> > # >> > Someone MAY have substituted an Eagle's NP129 (or 128 or 119) for the # > GW's # >> NP229 (I'm planning to go the other way around!) # >> > # >> > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # >> > # >> > # >> >> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:24:40 -0500 # >> >> Subject: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag # >> >> From: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com # >> >> To: timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; fsj-at-digest.net # >> >> # >> >> When I finally get the thing home I'll dig into the t-case linkage # > stuff. # >> I # >> >> really don't know how to tell if there are any parts missing there or # >> not. # >> >> Is there supposed to be some sort of intermediate linkage rod between # >> that # >> >> lever arm and the t-case itself? # >> >> On Aug 18, 2011 5:05 PM, "T.Halmshaw" # wrote: # >> >> > From the pics, it looks like the linkage that is disco'd is the # LO/HI # >> >> > range. I hope all the parts are there to get it back together. The # >> >> > vacuum motor is still connected but it is all covered with grease # and # >> >> > other assorted nasty. # >> >> > # >> >> > # >> >> > Agreed it is the hi/lo linkage, on the 229 that's the only linkage # > they # >> >> > have, the rest is vacuum operated and if the vacuum disconnects they # >> >> > will eventually find neutral. # >> # >> # >> __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:23:42 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag The really bad part is that he gets to drive it before I do... :( On Aug 19, 2011 10:16 PM, "john" wrote: > good luck sleeping... ;) > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Ken Gaines wrote: > > # The new Wag will be at my dad's place tomorrow. Can't wait... > # On Aug 19, 2011 1:33 PM, "Jim Blair" wrote: > # > Actually, I know at least 4 people who put Eagle tcases in place of FSJ > # ones > # > when they blew up because they didn't need the low range and it was > # cheaper. > # > No lever for low range and the front (maybe the rear too) yoke needs > # > swapping from the old case, otherwise it's a straight bolt in. > # > > # >> Subject: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag > # >> To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; carnuck-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > # >> From: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com > # >> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:23:31 +0000 > # >> > # >> It would take a mind even more twisted and tangled than anything that jim > # > blair could macgiver together, but if you did find such you'd be obligated > # to > # > learn the rest of THAT story. :) > # >> > # >> > # >> What concerns me is the possibility of FIAT parts ending up in Jeeps, > # > Renault parts were bad enough. > # >> > # >> :) > # >> John > # >> > # >> ------Original Message------ > # >> From: Ken Gaines > # >> Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net > # >> To: Jim Blair-email > # >> To: FSJ > # >> ReplyTo: Ken Gaines > # >> Subject: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag > # >> Sent: Aug 19, 2011 06:28 > # >> > # >> I sure hope not > # >> On Aug 19, 2011 12:51 AM, "Jim Blair" wrote: > # >> > > # >> > Someone MAY have substituted an Eagle's NP129 (or 128 or 119) for the > # > GW's > # >> NP229 (I'm planning to go the other way around!) > # >> > > # >> > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # >> > > # >> > > # >> >> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:24:40 -0500 > # >> >> Subject: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag > # >> >> From: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > # >> >> To: timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; fsj-at-digest.net > # >> >> > # >> >> When I finally get the thing home I'll dig into the t-case linkage > # > stuff. > # >> I > # >> >> really don't know how to tell if there are any parts missing there or > # >> not. > # >> >> Is there supposed to be some sort of intermediate linkage rod between > # >> that > # >> >> lever arm and the t-case itself? > # >> >> On Aug 18, 2011 5:05 PM, "T.Halmshaw" > # wrote: > # >> >> > From the pics, it looks like the linkage that is disco'd is the > # LO/HI > # >> >> > range. I hope all the parts are there to get it back together. The > # >> >> > vacuum motor is still connected but it is all covered with grease > # and > # >> >> > other assorted nasty. > # >> >> > > # >> >> > > # >> >> > Agreed it is the hi/lo linkage, on the 229 that's the only linkage > # > they > # >> >> > have, the rest is vacuum operated and if the vacuum disconnects they > # >> >> > will eventually find neutral. > # >> > # >> > # >> __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:22:05 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag sounds like when we brought my '83 J10 up from Vancouver... my son got to drive it home. which was a good thing, he squeezed 17 mpg out of of that 360 on I-5... I've got a picture of it in this collections: http://fotomeister.us/2011/08-Aug-19-frogs-bees-garden-slugs/ALL.html john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Ken Gaines wrote: # The really bad part is that he gets to drive it before I do... :( # On Aug 19, 2011 10:16 PM, "john" wrote: # > good luck sleeping... ;) # > # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > On Fri, 19 Aug 2011, Ken Gaines wrote: # > # > # The new Wag will be at my dad's place tomorrow. Can't wait... # > # On Aug 19, 2011 1:33 PM, "Jim Blair" wrote: # > # > Actually, I know at least 4 people who put Eagle tcases in place of # FSJ # > # ones # > # > when they blew up because they didn't need the low range and it was # > # cheaper. # > # > No lever for low range and the front (maybe the rear too) yoke needs # > # > swapping from the old case, otherwise it's a straight bolt in. # > # > # > # >> Subject: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag # > # >> To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; carnuck-at-hotmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > # >> From: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com # > # >> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:23:31 +0000 # > # >> # > # >> It would take a mind even more twisted and tangled than anything that # jim # > # > blair could macgiver together, but if you did find such you'd be # obligated # > # to # > # > learn the rest of THAT story. :) # > # >> # > # >> # > # >> What concerns me is the possibility of FIAT parts ending up in Jeeps, # > # > Renault parts were bad enough. # > # >> # > # >> :) # > # >> John # > # >> # > # >> ------Original Message------ # > # >> From: Ken Gaines # > # >> Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net # > # >> To: Jim Blair-email # > # >> To: FSJ # > # >> ReplyTo: Ken Gaines # > # >> Subject: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag # > # >> Sent: Aug 19, 2011 06:28 # > # >> # > # >> I sure hope not # > # >> On Aug 19, 2011 12:51 AM, "Jim Blair" wrote: # > # >> > # > # >> > Someone MAY have substituted an Eagle's NP129 (or 128 or 119) for # the # > # > GW's # > # >> NP229 (I'm planning to go the other way around!) # > # >> > # > # >> > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # > # >> > # > # >> > # > # >> >> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:24:40 -0500 # > # >> >> Subject: Re: fsj: Ken's New Wag # > # >> >> From: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com # > # >> >> To: timesawastin-at-bigpond.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > # >> >> # > # >> >> When I finally get the thing home I'll dig into the t-case linkage # > # > stuff. # > # >> I # > # >> >> really don't know how to tell if there are any parts missing there # or # > # >> not. # > # >> >> Is there supposed to be some sort of intermediate linkage rod # between # > # >> that # > # >> >> lever arm and the t-case itself? # > # >> >> On Aug 18, 2011 5:05 PM, "T.Halmshaw" # > # wrote: # > # >> >> > From the pics, it looks like the linkage that is disco'd is the # > # LO/HI # > # >> >> > range. I hope all the parts are there to get it back together. # The # > # >> >> > vacuum motor is still connected but it is all covered with # grease # > # and # > # >> >> > other assorted nasty. # > # >> >> > # > # >> >> > # > # >> >> > Agreed it is the hi/lo linkage, on the 229 that's the only # linkage # > # > they # > # >> >> > have, the rest is vacuum operated and if the vacuum disconnects # they # > # >> >> > will eventually find neutral. # > # >> # > # >> # > # >> __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ # > # # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:38:17 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: old wheels... and some bugs... slugs... bees... but check out these old trucks... and the green tail lights on my son's benz... http://fotomeister.us/2011/08-Aug-19-frogs-bees-garden-slugs/ALL.html john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:55:03 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: RE: fsj: Ken's New Wag Dad just called and said he got the Wag. Said for a 1989 truck it was in really good shape. Said it started right up and had no problems getting onto the trailer. He said he will check out the AC and heater later. The seller said something about the solenoid getting hot and hanging up but that is a simple and cheap fix. On Aug 19, 2011 11:22 PM, "john" wrote: ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3778 **************************