From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Sep 9 08:11:00 2011 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Friday, September 9 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3801 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Re: Lower quarter panel repair panels fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches fsj: Fw: 81 year old car driven by 101 year old woman (fwd) fsj: the deer damage RE: fsj: the deer damage RE: fsj: the deer damage RE: fsj: the deer damage Re: fsj: the deer damage RE: fsj: the deer damage Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 21:02:02 -0400 From: "Neal Hoover" Subject: fsj: Re: Lower quarter panel repair panels you mean like this.....? http://rides.webshots.com/album/175759714oUyqwP you'll have to go back a couple of pages into the album to get to the 1/4 panel replacments... Neal A. Hoover Project '76 J-10 Project '96 XJ http://community.webshots.com/user/proj96xj - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Gaines" To: Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: fsj: Lower quarter panel repair panels > Have any of you guys used the repair panels for the lower part of the rear > quarter panels? If so, did you cut the old metal out and replace it with > the > new panels or did you simply grind the offending rust out and tack the new > stuff in place? Did you install the new metal over or behind the old > metal? > Thanks in advance! > Ken > > -- > Ken Gaines > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > Red River Oil & Gas, LLC > (318) 227-4870 Office > (318) 422-5731 Mobile > arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 22:55:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Wallace Subject: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches Ken - I have used the quarter panel repair patches. I cut the old tin out...I think it was dented as well as rusted and I think I had patched it with fiberglass some years earlier. I cut the tin out and butt welded the new piece in. The patch panels don't fit all that well. they are a little long...on the old style wrap around taillight models (83 and earlier) you can hide the extra length under the backing light, but if I were into a newer one I would leave the factory seam in the back and cut the back off the patch panel to fit and butt weld all around. You don't want to tack a panel over on account of you have created a trap for moisture and dirt, which breeds rust. I have a factory quarter panel for one side of the wag in my shed. I am eventually going to get another. Any of you Texas guys got clean Wags in your yards down there? Now we go into my discussion about some of my favorite body work tools. Outfit your MIG macine with .023 wire. It works way better for thin stuff. For grinding down your welds I use a stone that looks like a cut off wheel but is about 1/8 of an inch thick. They wear like iron so one pack will last you a long time. For any cut off wheel I will only use Norton or 3M products because I have had a number of the off brands break and that is scary. I can get you the Norton number if you are interested. Then when you are butt welding sheet tin (or welding up holes) I back the weld with copper. I just clamp it in with a vice grip clamp. You can get some fancy pieces of copper from Eastwood, but you can also dig through your pile of junk and cut up a copper pipe and flatten that out. Copper backs the weld, sucks some heat out and prevents you from burning through so much. I run my tacks about a half inch apart (skipping around to create them) and then stitch them together. You can cool the weld either by quenching with a wet rag or blowing it off with your compressed air. check out restodan's channel on the youtube. His work is pretty good and he and he shoots his videos in an easy to follow way. His cars aren't prefect (by his admission) and his work is not concours, but as he says in a number of his videos he has a lot of fun with them. His work is pretty good though. Mark 81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 21:36:30 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Fw: 81 year old car driven by 101 year old woman (fwd) http://video.nytimes.com/video/2011/07/08/automobiles/collectibles/100000000895665/two-classics-one-car.html I like the red towel on the running board... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:04:42 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: the deer damage here's more pictures of the jetta after hitting two deer Wednesday night out in the middle of no where... we're doing fine, car still runs, but with one headlight... decided to scratch the trip to glacier... I didn't feel like meeting any elk... meandering back toward home to swap cars and then wander in another direction... :) anyone know where you can buy those little plastic stick on deer whistle things? :) http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-JettaWagon-deer-damage-from7sep2011-9pm/ALL.html here's some pictures of spokane and the north cascase loop: http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-07-CascadeLoop-deer-damage-mac/ALL.html http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-Spokane/ALL.html john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:17:45 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: the deer damage They have them on the accessory rack in the first row by the front window of my store (I'll be there Sat, Sun and Mon) Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:04:42 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: the deer damage > > here's more pictures of the jetta after hitting two deer Wednesday night out in > the middle of no where... > > we're doing fine, car still runs, but with one headlight... > > decided to scratch the trip to glacier... I didn't feel like meeting any elk... > > meandering back toward home to swap cars and then wander in another direction... :) > > anyone know where you can buy those little plastic stick on deer whistle things? :) > > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-JettaWagon-deer-damage-from7sep2011-9pm/ ALL.html > > here's some pictures of spokane and the north cascase loop: > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-07-CascadeLoop-deer-damage-mac/ALL.html > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-Spokane/ALL.html > > john > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:19:51 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: the deer damage how much? (as if I should even consider saving money by not buying them after nearly $4k of damage already... ;) all napa's have 'em? our other jetta may be fixed, aamco finally figured out what was wrong... hoping it's right... really impressed by the jettas... have seen toyotas and hondas fare far worse in parking lots... seriously... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Jim Blair wrote: # # They have them on the accessory rack in the first row by the front window of my store (I'll be there Sat, Sun and Mon) # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # # > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:04:42 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: # > Subject: fsj: the deer damage # > # > here's more pictures of the jetta after hitting two deer Wednesday night out in # > the middle of no where... # > # > we're doing fine, car still runs, but with one headlight... # > # > decided to scratch the trip to glacier... I didn't feel like meeting any elk... # > # > meandering back toward home to swap cars and then wander in another direction... :) # > # > anyone know where you can buy those little plastic stick on deer whistle things? :) # > # > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-JettaWagon-deer-damage-from7sep2011-9pm/ALL.html # > # > here's some pictures of spokane and the north cascase loop: # > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-07-CascadeLoop-deer-damage-mac/ALL.html # > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-Spokane/ALL.html # > # > john # > # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:22:50 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: the deer damage I think less than $10. Yes, most autoparts places (near wildlife) have them Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:19:51 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: the deer damage > > how much? (as if I should even consider saving money by not > buying them after nearly $4k of damage already... ;) > > all napa's have 'em? > > our other jetta may be fixed, aamco finally figured out what > was wrong... hoping it's right... > > really impressed by the jettas... have seen toyotas and hondas > fare far worse in parking lots... seriously... > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Jim Blair wrote: > > # > # They have them on the accessory rack in the first row by the front window of my store (I'll be there Sat, Sun and Mon) > # > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > # > # > # > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:04:42 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: > # > Subject: fsj: the deer damage > # > > # > here's more pictures of the jetta after hitting two deer Wednesday night out in > # > the middle of no where... > # > > # > we're doing fine, car still runs, but with one headlight... > # > > # > decided to scratch the trip to glacier... I didn't feel like meeting any elk... > # > > # > meandering back toward home to swap cars and then wander in another direction... :) > # > > # > anyone know where you can buy those little plastic stick on deer whistle things? :) > # > > # > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-JettaWagon-deer-damage-from7sep2011-9pm/ ALL.html > # > > # > here's some pictures of spokane and the north cascase loop: > # > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-07-CascadeLoop-deer-damage-mac/ALL.html > # > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-Spokane/ALL.html > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:32:28 -0500 From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: the deer damage C'mon, they're not that hard to find... Wal-Mart, $3.50, plus $1 shipping if you don't want to go to the store. Black or chrome. http://walmart.com/ip/14324180 http://walmart.com/ip/14324179 I've never heard conclusive evidence that they actually work -- or don't work. I had them on a vehicle or two in the past, but couldn't tell if it helped or not. Even without them, I've only hit one deer in twenty years of driving in the midwest (and that was just a couple years ago). But it doesn't hurt to get them, obviously, so definitely try them out if you think they might help. I haven't had any problems (yet) stopping in time for any that stereotypically froze in the headlights. The one I hit jumped out of a ditch in front of me at the very last second -- on the edge of town, so the ditch was right next to the road. I still dodged and almost missed her. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 01:22, Jim Blair wrote: > I think less than $10. Yes, most autoparts places (near wildlife) have them > > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > >> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:19:51 -0700 >> From: john-at-wagoneers.com >> To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com >> CC: fsj-at-digest.net >> Subject: RE: fsj: the deer damage >> >> how much? (as if I should even consider saving money by not >> buying them after nearly $4k of damage already... ;) >> >> all napa's have 'em? >> >> our other jetta may be fixed, aamco finally figured out what >> was wrong... hoping it's right... >> >> really impressed by the jettas... have seen toyotas and hondas >> fare far worse in parking lots... seriously... >> >> john >> >> >> >> ----- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all >> Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 >> http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Jim Blair wrote: >> >> # >> # They have them on the accessory rack in the first row by the front window > of my store (I'll be there Sat, Sun and Mon) >> # >> # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 >> # >> # >> # > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:04:42 -0700 >> # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com >> # > To: >> # > Subject: fsj: the deer damage >> # > >> # > here's more pictures of the jetta after hitting two deer Wednesday > night out in >> # > the middle of no where... >> # > >> # > we're doing fine, car still runs, but with one headlight... >> # > >> # > decided to scratch the trip to glacier... I didn't feel like meeting > any elk... >> # > >> # > meandering back toward home to swap cars and then wander in another > direction... :) >> # > >> # > anyone know where you can buy those little plastic stick on deer > whistle things? :) >> # > >> # > > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-JettaWagon-deer-damage-from7sep2011-9pm/ > ALL.html >> # > >> # > here's some pictures of spokane and the north cascase loop: >> # > > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-07-CascadeLoop-deer-damage-mac/ALL.html >> # > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-Spokane/ALL.html >> # > >> # > john >> # > >> # > >> # > ----- >> # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all >> # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold >> # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 >> # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us >> # > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:43:33 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: the deer damage I hit one in my Comanche near Monroe, WA a couple years ago on SR-522. Car in front of me had no headlights on (well after dark) and pulled to the shoulder, so I figured he was allowing others to go around him (about 20 cars being held up because he was doing 30 mph in a 55 mph zone on a separated 2 lane hwy) I started to accelerate and that's when the deer cleared the hood of the car that pulled off, and I nicked it just as it jumped again and it got hit head on by a car going the other direction. I called WASP and they sent a cruiser out but it had crawled off into the bush somewhere and my flashlight was discharged (I had used it and forgot to put it back on charge because my phone needed charging) About 10 years ago I clipped one that jumped over the same truck on hwy 101 when I worked in Poulsbo. Car next to me got it square in the grill, swerved and enarly took me out. Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 07:32:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: fsj: the deer damage > From: dan-at-black.org > To: fsj-at-digest.net > > C'mon, they're not that hard to find... > > Wal-Mart, $3.50, plus $1 shipping if you don't want to go to the > store. Black or chrome. > http://walmart.com/ip/14324180 > http://walmart.com/ip/14324179 > > I've never heard conclusive evidence that they actually work -- or > don't work. I had them on a vehicle or two in the past, but couldn't > tell if it helped or not. Even without them, I've only hit one deer > in twenty years of driving in the midwest (and that was just a couple > years ago). But it doesn't hurt to get them, obviously, so definitely > try them out if you think they might help. > > I haven't had any problems (yet) stopping in time for any that > stereotypically froze in the headlights. The one I hit jumped out of > a ditch in front of me at the very last second -- on the edge of town, > so the ditch was right next to the road. I still dodged and almost > missed her. > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 01:22, Jim Blair wrote: > > I think less than $10. Yes, most autoparts places (near wildlife) have them > > > > Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:19:51 -0700 > >> From: john-at-wagoneers.com > >> To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > >> CC: fsj-at-digest.net > >> Subject: RE: fsj: the deer damage > >> > >> how much? (as if I should even consider saving money by not > >> buying them after nearly $4k of damage already... ;) > >> > >> all napa's have 'em? > >> > >> our other jetta may be fixed, aamco finally figured out what > >> was wrong... hoping it's right... > >> > >> really impressed by the jettas... have seen toyotas and hondas > >> fare far worse in parking lots... seriously... > >> > >> john > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > >> Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > >> http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Jim Blair wrote: > >> > >> # > >> # They have them on the accessory rack in the first row by the front > window > > of my store (I'll be there Sat, Sun and Mon) > >> # > >> # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > >> # > >> # > >> # > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 23:04:42 -0700 > >> # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > >> # > To: > >> # > Subject: fsj: the deer damage > >> # > > >> # > here's more pictures of the jetta after hitting two deer Wednesday > > night out in > >> # > the middle of no where... > >> # > > >> # > we're doing fine, car still runs, but with one headlight... > >> # > > >> # > decided to scratch the trip to glacier... I didn't feel like meeting > > any elk... > >> # > > >> # > meandering back toward home to swap cars and then wander in another > > direction... :) > >> # > > >> # > anyone know where you can buy those little plastic stick on deer > > whistle things? :) > >> # > > >> # > > > > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-JettaWagon-deer-damage-from7sep2011-9pm/ > > ALL.html > >> # > > >> # > here's some pictures of spokane and the north cascase loop: > >> # > > > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-07-CascadeLoop-deer-damage-mac/ALL.html > >> # > http://fotomeister.us/2011/09-Sep-08-Spokane/ALL.html > >> # > > >> # > john > >> # > > >> # > > >> # > ----- > >> # > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > >> # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > >> # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > >> # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM > http://fotomeister.us > >> # > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 10:10:44 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches Mark, this is some of the best tech advice I have ever been given. I really appreciate it. So, you are saying to take the back curved part off and just use the rest of it as a patch panel? I think I know what you mean. I'll have to look at it when I get home to get a better mental picture of what needs to be done. My welding skills on sheet metal may leave a little to be desired...I'll get it dialed in on a piece of scrap before I start burning wire on the truck itself. Now...it's off to start the weekend a little early. I HOPE to get the tailgate fixed and get the mixture/idle/timing set on the Wag this weekend. My wife doesn't realize it, but she was a Jeep widow before we even got married. On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Mark Wallace wrote: > Ken - > > I have used the quarter panel repair patches. I cut the old tin out...I > think > it was dented as well as rusted and I think I had patched it with > fiberglass > some years earlier. I cut the tin out and butt welded the new piece in. The > patch panels don't fit all that well. they are a little long...on the old > style wrap around taillight models (83 and earlier) you can hide the extra > length under the backing light, but if I were into a newer one I would > leave > the factory seam in the back and cut the back off the patch panel to fit > and > butt weld all around. You don't want to tack a panel over on account of you > have created a trap for moisture and dirt, which breeds rust. > > I have a factory quarter panel for one side of the wag in my shed. I am > eventually going to get another. Any of you Texas guys got clean Wags in > your > yards down there? > > Now we go into my discussion about some of my favorite body work tools. > Outfit > your MIG macine with .023 wire. It works way better for thin stuff. For > grinding down your welds I use a stone that looks like a cut off wheel but > is > about 1/8 of an inch thick. They wear like iron so one pack will last you a > long time. For any cut off wheel I will only use Norton or 3M products > because > I have had a number of the off brands break and that is scary. I can get > you > the Norton number if you are interested. Then when you are butt welding > sheet > tin (or welding up holes) I back the weld with copper. I just clamp it in > with > a vice grip clamp. You can get some fancy pieces of copper from Eastwood, > but > you can also dig through your pile of junk and cut up a copper pipe and > flatten that out. Copper backs the weld, sucks some heat out and prevents > you > from burning through so much. I run my tacks about a half inch apart > (skipping > around to create them) and then stitch them together. You can cool the weld > either by quenching with a wet rag or blowing it off with your compressed > air. > > check out restodan's channel on the youtube. His work is pretty good and he > and he shoots his videos in an easy to follow way. His cars aren't prefect > (by > his admission) and his work is not concours, but as he says in a number of > his > videos he has a lot of fun with them. His work is pretty good though. > > Mark > 81 Wag > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 Office (318) 422-5731 Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3801 **************************