From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Mon Sep 12 13:28:00 2011 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Monday, September 12 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3803 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: bad 727 RE: fsj: bad 727 RE: fsj: bad 727 Fwd: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window Re: Fwd: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window Fwd: Fwd: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window RE: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:51:21 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: bad 727 Sounds like np229 tcase's VC went south. > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:31:51 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > CC: FSJ-List-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: fsj: bad 727 > > not staying in park would be the pawl used to stop the tranny... > even if the converter would bad that should hold the transmission > and keep it from moving. > > slipping is usually bad bands or clutches... > > had even a stranger experience with the 727 in my 81 wagoneer with > a 360... it would go all the time... even in park or reverse! > > I'd suggest finding a good used 727 and swapping it. > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > # 1. > # Tranny or Torque Converter? From: akcalvery > # > # > # TRANNY OR TORQUE CONVERTER? > # > # Posted by: "akcalvery" akcalvery-at-yahoo.com akcalvery > # > # Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:31 pm (PDT) > # > # I am hoping I can be pointed in the right direction. My 85 J-10 with > 258 and 727 > # tranny are acting weird. I drove to Anchorage the other day about 50 > miles from home > # one way and the tranny acted like it was slipping. I stopped to get > ATF and while I > # was in the store it rolled about 20 feet, in park. I checked and it > was NOT low on > # fluid, not burnt either. So I get back out on the road and it slips > worse so I park > # it and flat tow it home. I had made about 60 miles before I stopped. > # While I waited for the rescue I made sure it was park and it still > rolls forward and > # back. It has had a vibration at a certain engine RPM moving or > stopped, so I am > # wondering if this could be the torque converter or the tranny or,,,, > # The truck has 85,000 miles, fairly well taken care of, I am the > second owner. PO > # always took it to the dealer for repairs. I have modified with weber, > a clifford > # intake and 6 inch lift. > # I am hoping to be able to get it back up before the snow flies. I am > as are most, on > # a budget and cant be replacing parts willie nillie. I can not afford > a rebuild at the > # moment or I would just take it out and send it to the shop. I can do > the pulling and > # replacing myself. > # > # Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > # Corey ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:54:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: bad 727 would that have had an NP229 with a 258? Didn't think they'd do that in a J10 unless it had the 360. he didn't mention whether it worked in low range or not... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Jim Blair wrote: # Sounds like np229 tcase's VC went south. # # > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:31:51 -0700 # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com # > To: fsj-at-digest.net # > CC: FSJ-List-at-yahoogroups.com # > Subject: fsj: bad 727 # > # > not staying in park would be the pawl used to stop the tranny... # > even if the converter would bad that should hold the transmission # > and keep it from moving. # > # > slipping is usually bad bands or clutches... # > # > had even a stranger experience with the 727 in my 81 wagoneer with # > a 360... it would go all the time... even in park or reverse! # > # > I'd suggest finding a good used 727 and swapping it. # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > # > # > # 1. # > # Tranny or Torque Converter? From: akcalvery # > # # > # # > # TRANNY OR TORQUE CONVERTER? # > # # > # Posted by: "akcalvery" akcalvery-at-yahoo.com akcalvery # > # # > # Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:31 pm (PDT) # > # # > # I am hoping I can be pointed in the right direction. My 85 J-10 with # > 258 and 727 # > # tranny are acting weird. I drove to Anchorage the other day about 50 # > miles from home # > # one way and the tranny acted like it was slipping. I stopped to get # > ATF and while I # > # was in the store it rolled about 20 feet, in park. I checked and it # > was NOT low on # > # fluid, not burnt either. So I get back out on the road and it slips # > worse so I park # > # it and flat tow it home. I had made about 60 miles before I stopped. # > # While I waited for the rescue I made sure it was park and it still # > rolls forward and # > # back. It has had a vibration at a certain engine RPM moving or # > stopped, so I am # > # wondering if this could be the torque converter or the tranny or,,,, # > # The truck has 85,000 miles, fairly well taken care of, I am the # > second owner. PO # > # always took it to the dealer for repairs. I have modified with weber, # > a clifford # > # intake and 6 inch lift. # > # I am hoping to be able to get it back up before the snow flies. I am # > as are most, on # > # a budget and cant be replacing parts willie nillie. I can not afford # > a rebuild at the # > # moment or I would just take it out and send it to the shop. I can do # > the pulling and # > # replacing myself. # > # # > # Thanks in advance for any suggestions. # > # Corey # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:47:45 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: bad 727 If it has np208, then it wouldn't roll in park IF the trans parking pawl didn't pop. Being a 6 cyl it could have a 999 or 727 trans. > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:54:27 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: carnuck-at-hotmail.com > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; fsj-list-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: fsj: bad 727 > > would that have had an NP229 with a 258? Didn't think > they'd do that in a J10 unless it had the 360. > > he didn't mention whether it worked in low range or not... > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > On Sun, 11 Sep 2011, Jim Blair wrote: > > # Sounds like np229 tcase's VC went south. > # > # > Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:31:51 -0700 > # > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > # > To: fsj-at-digest.net > # > CC: FSJ-List-at-yahoogroups.com > # > Subject: fsj: bad 727 > # > > # > not staying in park would be the pawl used to stop the tranny... > # > even if the converter would bad that should hold the transmission > # > and keep it from moving. > # > > # > slipping is usually bad bands or clutches... > # > > # > had even a stranger experience with the 727 in my 81 wagoneer with > # > a 360... it would go all the time... even in park or reverse! > # > > # > I'd suggest finding a good used 727 and swapping it. > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > > # > > # > # 1. > # > # Tranny or Torque Converter? From: akcalvery > # > # > # > # > # > # TRANNY OR TORQUE CONVERTER? > # > # > # > # Posted by: "akcalvery" akcalvery-at-yahoo.com akcalvery > # > # > # > # Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:31 pm (PDT) > # > # > # > # I am hoping I can be pointed in the right direction. My 85 J-10 with > # > 258 and 727 > # > # tranny are acting weird. I drove to Anchorage the other day about 50 > # > miles from home > # > # one way and the tranny acted like it was slipping. I stopped to get > # > ATF and while I > # > # was in the store it rolled about 20 feet, in park. I checked and it > # > was NOT low on > # > # fluid, not burnt either. So I get back out on the road and it slips > # > worse so I park > # > # it and flat tow it home. I had made about 60 miles before I stopped. > # > # While I waited for the rescue I made sure it was park and it still > # > rolls forward and > # > # back. It has had a vibration at a certain engine RPM moving or > # > stopped, so I am > # > # wondering if this could be the torque converter or the tranny or,,,, > # > # The truck has 85,000 miles, fairly well taken care of, I am the > # > second owner. PO > # > # always took it to the dealer for repairs. I have modified with weber, > # > a clifford > # > # intake and 6 inch lift. > # > # I am hoping to be able to get it back up before the snow flies. I am > # > as are most, on > # > # a budget and cant be replacing parts willie nillie. I can not afford > # > a rebuild at the > # > # moment or I would just take it out and send it to the shop. I can do > # > the pulling and > # > # replacing myself. > # > # > # > # Thanks in advance for any suggestions. > # > # Corey > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:45:42 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: Fwd: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ken Gaines Date: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:38 AM Subject: Re: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window To: Michel Balea The problem with the driver's window is the goose neck part of the regulator. It works just fine electrically. It has lost its rigidity and just kind of flops around. I already have a new regulator on the way. Now I gotta figure out the magically falling front door locks. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Michel Balea wrote: > Check the ground first... Remember with FSJ, the inexpensive way first, > then go up the $$ amount. > > The hardest on the windows is to reach the screw that hold the track to the > window, it is a torx which I forgot the number, but a small phillips or flat > blade works. > > Michel > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Ken Gaines wrote: > >> That was nowhere near as bad as it could have been. The problem turned out >> to be the paddle switch. I replaced it with a DPDT switch and it all >> magically worked. I cleaned and lubed the parts too because it was very >> stiff and would hardly move. Now I need to wrestle the regulator back in >> and >> get it all buttoned back up...all will be well in the tailgate arena. Next >> up...the drivers door window... Ohhhhh boy. >> > > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 Office (318) 422-5731 Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 Office (318) 422-5731 Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 15:09:47 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: Fwd: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window I've got a problem with my J10 driver's door. Can't lock it. Won't go down or lock with the key. When you're in your door take detailed pictuews if you can. Email them to me directly off list and with your permission put them on wagoneers.com to share with the list. Today I meet wiyth the insurance company to determine the settlement on the 03 Jetta wagon deer damage. And hopefully get my 87 300d and 02 Jetta out of the shops. And visit my chiropractor for our necks and back after slaying bambi with our VW. I have pix up of bambi, not closeups, the coyotes got to the injured part. Go to wagoneers.com! 2011. Look for the sept entries. John __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ - -----Original Message----- From: Ken Gaines Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:45:42 To: Reply-To: Ken Gaines Subject: Fwd: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ken Gaines Date: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:38 AM Subject: Re: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window To: Michel Balea The problem with the driver's window is the goose neck part of the regulator. It works just fine electrically. It has lost its rigidity and just kind of flops around. I already have a new regulator on the way. Now I gotta figure out the magically falling front door locks. On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Michel Balea wrote: > Check the ground first... Remember with FSJ, the inexpensive way first, > then go up the $$ amount. > > The hardest on the windows is to reach the screw that hold the track to the > window, it is a torx which I forgot the number, but a small phillips or flat > blade works. > > Michel > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Ken Gaines wrote: > >> That was nowhere near as bad as it could have been. The problem turned out >> to be the paddle switch. I replaced it with a DPDT switch and it all >> magically worked. I cleaned and lubed the parts too because it was very >> stiff and would hardly move. Now I need to wrestle the regulator back in >> and >> get it all buttoned back up...all will be well in the tailgate arena. Next >> up...the drivers door window... Ohhhhh boy. >> > > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 Office (318) 422-5731 Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 Office (318) 422-5731 Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:17:06 -0500 From: Ken Gaines Subject: Fwd: Fwd: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ken Gaines Date: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window To: john-at-wagoneers.com Absolutely! I'll get as many pics as I can and you cane certainly post them. >From what I have read, the mysterious falling door locks have something to do with the latch mechanism. Once I am in there, I bet I can figure out a fix of some sort. My driver's door also just got a new lock/window master switch panel over the weekend. Speaking of that door, if anyone has a power mirror switch, I would love to purchase it from you since the only one I can find online is on eBay and the high bidder keeps taking the price up towards $200. (I would be the seller has a dummy account that keeps bidding up on the item electronically to drive the price up.) On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:09 AM, john wrote: > I've got a problem with my J10 driver's door. Can't lock it. Won't go down > or lock with the key. When you're in your door take detailed pictuews if you > can. Email them to me directly off list and with your permission put them on > wagoneers.com to share with the list. > > Today I meet wiyth the insurance company to determine the settlement on the > 03 Jetta wagon deer damage. And hopefully get my 87 300d and 02 Jetta out > of the shops. And visit my chiropractor for our necks and back after slaying > bambi with our VW. > > I have pix up of bambi, not closeups, the coyotes got to the injured part. > Go to wagoneers.com! 2011. Look for the sept entries. > > John > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Gaines > Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:45:42 > To: > Reply-To: Ken Gaines Subject: Fwd: fsj: Fixed the > tailgate window > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ken Gaines > Date: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:38 AM > Subject: Re: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window > To: Michel Balea > > > The problem with the driver's window is the goose neck part of the > regulator. It works just fine electrically. It has lost its rigidity and > just kind of flops around. I already have a new regulator on the way. Now I > gotta figure out the magically falling front door locks. > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Michel Balea > wrote: > > > Check the ground first... Remember with FSJ, the inexpensive way first, > > then go up the $$ amount. > > > > The hardest on the windows is to reach the screw that hold the track to > the > > window, it is a torx which I forgot the number, but a small phillips or > flat > > blade works. > > > > Michel > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Ken Gaines > wrote: > > > >> That was nowhere near as bad as it could have been. The problem turned > out > >> to be the paddle switch. I replaced it with a DPDT switch and it all > >> magically worked. I cleaned and lubed the parts too because it was very > >> stiff and would hardly move. Now I need to wrestle the regulator back in > >> and > >> get it all buttoned back up...all will be well in the tailgate arena. > Next > >> up...the drivers door window... Ohhhhh boy. > >> > > > > > > > -- > Ken Gaines > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > Red River Oil & Gas, LLC > (318) 227-4870 Office > (318) 422-5731 Mobile > arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > http://www.rrog.net > > > > > -- > Ken Gaines > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > Red River Oil & Gas, LLC > (318) 227-4870 Office > (318) 422-5731 Mobile > arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > http://www.rrog.net > - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 Office (318) 422-5731 Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net - -- Ken Gaines Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman Red River Oil & Gas, LLC (318) 227-4870 Office (318) 422-5731 Mobile arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 13:26:46 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window The door catch has a spring that breaks (rusts and/or wears through) that is supposed to work on an over center and without it, the weight of the mechanism makes it drop. Several people (including myself) have used the spring from an old school bumperjack or a rubber band to rectify the problem. > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:17:06 -0500 > Subject: Fwd: Fwd: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window > From: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > To: fsj-at-digest.net > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ken Gaines > Date: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:16 AM > Subject: Re: Fwd: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window > To: john-at-wagoneers.com > > > Absolutely! I'll get as many pics as I can and you cane certainly post them. > From what I have read, the mysterious falling door locks have something to > do with the latch mechanism. Once I am in there, I bet I can figure out a > fix of some sort. My driver's door also just got a new lock/window master > switch panel over the weekend. > > Speaking of that door, if anyone has a power mirror switch, I would love to > purchase it from you since the only one I can find online is on eBay and the > high bidder keeps taking the price up towards $200. (I would be the seller > has a dummy account that keeps bidding up on the item electronically to > drive the price up.) > > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:09 AM, john wrote: > > > I've got a problem with my J10 driver's door. Can't lock it. Won't go down > > or lock with the key. When you're in your door take detailed pictuews if you > > can. Email them to me directly off list and with your permission put them on > > wagoneers.com to share with the list. > > > > Today I meet wiyth the insurance company to determine the settlement on the > > 03 Jetta wagon deer damage. And hopefully get my 87 300d and 02 Jetta out > > of the shops. And visit my chiropractor for our necks and back after slaying > > bambi with our VW. > > > > I have pix up of bambi, not closeups, the coyotes got to the injured part. > > Go to wagoneers.com! 2011. Look for the sept entries. > > > > John > > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ken Gaines > > Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net > > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:45:42 > > To: > > Reply-To: Ken Gaines Subject: Fwd: fsj: Fixed the > > tailgate window > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Ken Gaines > > Date: Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 9:38 AM > > Subject: Re: fsj: Fixed the tailgate window > > To: Michel Balea > > > > > > The problem with the driver's window is the goose neck part of the > > regulator. It works just fine electrically. It has lost its rigidity and > > just kind of flops around. I already have a new regulator on the way. Now I > > gotta figure out the magically falling front door locks. > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Michel Balea > > wrote: > > > > > Check the ground first... Remember with FSJ, the inexpensive way first, > > > then go up the $$ amount. > > > > > > The hardest on the windows is to reach the screw that hold the track to > > the > > > window, it is a torx which I forgot the number, but a small phillips or > > flat > > > blade works. > > > > > > Michel > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Ken Gaines > > wrote: > > > > > >> That was nowhere near as bad as it could have been. The problem turned > > out > > >> to be the paddle switch. I replaced it with a DPDT switch and it all > > >> magically worked. I cleaned and lubed the parts too because it was very > > >> stiff and would hardly move. Now I need to wrestle the regulator back in > > >> and > > >> get it all buttoned back up...all will be well in the tailgate arena. > > Next > > >> up...the drivers door window... Ohhhhh boy. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ken Gaines > > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > > Red River Oil & Gas, LLC > > (318) 227-4870 Office > > (318) 422-5731 Mobile > > arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > > http://www.rrog.net > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ken Gaines > > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > > Red River Oil & Gas, LLC > > (318) 227-4870 Office > > (318) 422-5731 Mobile > > arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > > http://www.rrog.net > > > > > > -- > Ken Gaines > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > Red River Oil & Gas, LLC > (318) 227-4870 Office > (318) 422-5731 Mobile > arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > http://www.rrog.net > > > > > -- > Ken Gaines > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > Red River Oil & Gas, LLC > (318) 227-4870 Office > (318) 422-5731 Mobile > arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > http://www.rrog.net ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3803 **************************