From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Sep 20 22:44:00 2011 From: fsj-digest fsj-digest Wednesday, September 21 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3811 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches RE: fsj: Dana 20 from CJ to FSJ ? Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches fsj: Prothane motor mounts fsj: Re: Timely subject on red light cameras Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:00:59 -0500 From: Kim Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches This one's been there for a while, but it's dry out west.... http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/pts/2575538330.html - - Landon ///////// On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Mark Wallace wrote: > Ken - > > I have used the quarter panel repair patches. I cut the old tin > out...I think > it was dented as well as rusted and I think I had patched it with > fiberglass > some years earlier. I cut the tin out and butt welded the new piece > in. The > patch panels don't fit all that well. they are a little long...on > the old > style wrap around taillight models (83 and earlier) you can hide > the extra > length under the backing light, but if I were into a newer one I > would leave > the factory seam in the back and cut the back off the patch panel > to fit and > butt weld all around. You don't want to tack a panel over on > account of you > have created a trap for moisture and dirt, which breeds rust. > > I have a factory quarter panel for one side of the wag in my shed. > I am > eventually going to get another. Any of you Texas guys got clean > Wags in your > yards down there? > > Now we go into my discussion about some of my favorite body work > tools. Outfit > your MIG macine with .023 wire. It works way better for thin stuff. > For > grinding down your welds I use a stone that looks like a cut off > wheel but is > about 1/8 of an inch thick. They wear like iron so one pack will > last you a > long time. For any cut off wheel I will only use Norton or 3M > products because > I have had a number of the off brands break and that is scary. I > can get you > the Norton number if you are interested. Then when you are butt > welding sheet > tin (or welding up holes) I back the weld with copper. I just clamp > it in with > a vice grip clamp. You can get some fancy pieces of copper from > Eastwood, but > you can also dig through your pile of junk and cut up a copper pipe > and > flatten that out. Copper backs the weld, sucks some heat out and > prevents you > from burning through so much. I run my tacks about a half inch > apart (skipping > around to create them) and then stitch them together. You can cool > the weld > either by quenching with a wet rag or blowing it off with your > compressed air. > > check out restodan's channel on the youtube. His work is pretty > good and he > and he shoots his videos in an easy to follow way. His cars aren't > prefect (by > his admission) and his work is not concours, but as he says in a > number of his > videos he has a lot of fun with them. His work is pretty good though. > > Mark > 81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:19:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Wallace Subject: Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches I am heading to Phoenix this weekend to look at a forklift (hopefully they don't sell it), but that looks like some clean tin. San Antonio is probably doable from Northern New Mexico to boot. Between the Texas/Louisiana/New Mexico ones of us I bet we could strip it to nearly nothing. It is really tempting to go down there and pick it clean. Any of you all in? - -----Original Message----- From: Kim Tesar To: Mark Wallace Cc: fsj-digest ; arklatexgeo Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 10:08 pm Subject: Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches This guy seems pretty serious, come get what you want! http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/pts/2489711904.html - - Landon /////// On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Mark Wallace wrote: > Ken - > > I have used the quarter panel repair patches. I cut the old tin > out...I think > it was dented as well as rusted and I think I had patched it with > fiberglass > some years earlier. I cut the tin out and butt welded the new piece > in. The > patch panels don't fit all that well. they are a little long...on > the old > style wrap around taillight models (83 and earlier) you can hide > the extra > length under the backing light, but if I were into a newer one I > would leave > the factory seam in the back and cut the back off the patch panel > to fit and > butt weld all around. You don't want to tack a panel over on > account of you > have created a trap for moisture and dirt, which breeds rust. > > I have a factory quarter panel for one side of the wag in my shed. > I am > eventually going to get another. Any of you Texas guys got clean > Wags in your > yards down there? > > Now we go into my discussion about some of my favorite body work > tools. Outfit > your MIG macine with .023 wire. It works way better for thin stuff. > For > grinding down your welds I use a stone that looks like a cut off > wheel but is > about 1/8 of an inch thick. They wear like iron so one pack will > last you a > long time. For any cut off wheel I will only use Norton or 3M > products because > I have had a number of the off brands break and that is scary. I > can get you > the Norton number if you are interested. Then when you are butt > welding sheet > tin (or welding up holes) I back the weld with copper. I just clamp > it in with > a vice grip clamp. You can get some fancy pieces of copper from > Eastwood, but > you can also dig through your pile of junk and cut up a copper pipe > and > flatten that out. Copper backs the weld, sucks some heat out and > prevents you > from burning through so much. I run my tacks about a half inch > apart (skipping > around to create them) and then stitch them together. You can cool > the weld > either by quenching with a wet rag or blowing it off with your > compressed air. > > check out restodan's channel on the youtube. His work is pretty > good and he > and he shoots his videos in an easy to follow way. His cars aren't > prefect (by > his admission) and his work is not concours, but as he says in a > number of his > videos he has a lot of fun with them. His work is pretty good though. > > Mark > 81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:06:06 -0500 From: Kim Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches This guy seems pretty serious, come get what you want! http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/pts/2489711904.html - - Landon /////// On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Mark Wallace wrote: > Ken - > > I have used the quarter panel repair patches. I cut the old tin > out...I think > it was dented as well as rusted and I think I had patched it with > fiberglass > some years earlier. I cut the tin out and butt welded the new piece > in. The > patch panels don't fit all that well. they are a little long...on > the old > style wrap around taillight models (83 and earlier) you can hide > the extra > length under the backing light, but if I were into a newer one I > would leave > the factory seam in the back and cut the back off the patch panel > to fit and > butt weld all around. You don't want to tack a panel over on > account of you > have created a trap for moisture and dirt, which breeds rust. > > I have a factory quarter panel for one side of the wag in my shed. > I am > eventually going to get another. Any of you Texas guys got clean > Wags in your > yards down there? > > Now we go into my discussion about some of my favorite body work > tools. Outfit > your MIG macine with .023 wire. It works way better for thin stuff. > For > grinding down your welds I use a stone that looks like a cut off > wheel but is > about 1/8 of an inch thick. They wear like iron so one pack will > last you a > long time. For any cut off wheel I will only use Norton or 3M > products because > I have had a number of the off brands break and that is scary. I > can get you > the Norton number if you are interested. Then when you are butt > welding sheet > tin (or welding up holes) I back the weld with copper. I just clamp > it in with > a vice grip clamp. You can get some fancy pieces of copper from > Eastwood, but > you can also dig through your pile of junk and cut up a copper pipe > and > flatten that out. Copper backs the weld, sucks some heat out and > prevents you > from burning through so much. I run my tacks about a half inch > apart (skipping > around to create them) and then stitch them together. You can cool > the weld > either by quenching with a wet rag or blowing it off with your > compressed air. > > check out restodan's channel on the youtube. His work is pretty > good and he > and he shoots his videos in an easy to follow way. His cars aren't > prefect (by > his admission) and his work is not concours, but as he says in a > number of his > videos he has a lot of fun with them. His work is pretty good though. > > Mark > 81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 21:45:52 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Dana 20 from CJ to FSJ ? Just check the tooth count and angle of the Bullgears. > To: fsj-at-digest.net > From: ltesar3421-at-sbcglobal.net > Subject: fsj: Dana 20 from CJ to FSJ ? > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 22:35:49 -0500 > > Hi, can I use a D20 transfer case from a CJ in my FSJ? I just swap > the shifter and externals, right? > > - Landon > 79 J10 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 00:31:06 -0500 From: Kim Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches See other post :) there is a D20 transfer case in San Antonio as well. Just $75, so I'm headed that way... you could show me how to cut with a dremel and have a beer. - - L ///// On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:19 PM, Mark Wallace wrote: > I am heading to Phoenix this weekend to look at a forklift > (hopefully they > don't sell it), but that looks like some clean tin. San Antonio is > probably > doable from Northern New Mexico to boot. > > Between the Texas/Louisiana/New Mexico ones of us I bet we could > strip it to > nearly nothing. It is really tempting to go down there and pick it > clean. Any > of you all in? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Tesar > To: Mark Wallace > Cc: fsj-digest ; arklatexgeo > > Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 10:08 pm > Subject: Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches > > > This guy seems pretty serious, come get what you want! > > http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/pts/2489711904.html > > - Landon > /////// > On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Mark Wallace wrote: > >> Ken - >> >> I have used the quarter panel repair patches. I cut the old tin >> out...I think >> it was dented as well as rusted and I think I had patched it with >> fiberglass >> some years earlier. I cut the tin out and butt welded the new piece >> in. The >> patch panels don't fit all that well. they are a little long...on >> the old >> style wrap around taillight models (83 and earlier) you can hide >> the extra >> length under the backing light, but if I were into a newer one I >> would leave >> the factory seam in the back and cut the back off the patch panel >> to fit and >> butt weld all around. You don't want to tack a panel over on >> account of you >> have created a trap for moisture and dirt, which breeds rust. >> >> I have a factory quarter panel for one side of the wag in my shed. >> I am >> eventually going to get another. Any of you Texas guys got clean >> Wags in your >> yards down there? >> >> Now we go into my discussion about some of my favorite body work >> tools. Outfit >> your MIG macine with .023 wire. It works way better for thin stuff. >> For >> grinding down your welds I use a stone that looks like a cut off >> wheel but is >> about 1/8 of an inch thick. They wear like iron so one pack will >> last you a >> long time. For any cut off wheel I will only use Norton or 3M >> products because >> I have had a number of the off brands break and that is scary. I >> can get you >> the Norton number if you are interested. Then when you are butt >> welding sheet >> tin (or welding up holes) I back the weld with copper. I just clamp >> it in with >> a vice grip clamp. You can get some fancy pieces of copper from >> Eastwood, but >> you can also dig through your pile of junk and cut up a copper pipe >> and >> flatten that out. Copper backs the weld, sucks some heat out and >> prevents you >> from burning through so much. I run my tacks about a half inch >> apart (skipping >> around to create them) and then stitch them together. You can cool >> the weld >> either by quenching with a wet rag or blowing it off with your >> compressed air. >> >> check out restodan's channel on the youtube. His work is pretty >> good and he >> and he shoots his videos in an easy to follow way. His cars aren't >> prefect (by >> his admission) and his work is not concours, but as he says in a >> number of his >> videos he has a lot of fun with them. His work is pretty good though. >> >> Mark >> 81 Wag ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 09:33:20 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: fsj: Prothane motor mounts I can't recall if http://BJsoffroad.com carries these or not, but I'm 70% sure they also work on FSJs with V8. (the CJ ones work for the 6 cyls) http://www.performanceamstyle.com/Cart/description.php?II=561&sessid=d65002cf 10b415c4a3f099c1eea1a6a7&divi=amc Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:25:50 +0000 From: dieseljohn-at-comcast.net Subject: fsj: Re: Timely subject on red light cameras Excellent. - ------Original Message------ From: Edward Pomeroy To: Dj Subject: Timely subject on red light cameras Sent: Sep 20, 2011 15:25 http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/09/how-to-tell-if-a-red-light-camera-is-a-safety-tool-or-a-dangerous-form-of-taxation/ __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 01:42:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Wallace Subject: Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches For hacking a big body panel out I'd just go with the sawzall and a monster blade. I have cut whole cars in half with the sawzall. If you have a compressor I can show you how to cut with my cut off wheel, which is beyond worn out. it's bearings sound like rocks in the blender. I'm game for a beer. I am pretty wiped out. I picked up a '68 Chevy Biscayne this morning for a customer. In all my years of playing with cars I think this might be the first time I actually drove one onto a trailer. Bringing a car that runs home is a sort of a novelty. - -----Original Message----- From: Kim Tesar To: Mark Wallace Cc: fsj-digest ; arklatexgeo Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 11:33 pm Subject: Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches See other post :) there is a D20 transfer case in San Antonio as well. Just $75, so I'm headed that way... you could show me how to cut with a dremel and have a beer. - - L ///// On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:19 PM, Mark Wallace wrote: > I am heading to Phoenix this weekend to look at a forklift > (hopefully they > don't sell it), but that looks like some clean tin. San Antonio is > probably > doable from Northern New Mexico to boot. > > Between the Texas/Louisiana/New Mexico ones of us I bet we could > strip it to > nearly nothing. It is really tempting to go down there and pick it > clean. Any > of you all in? > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kim Tesar > To: Mark Wallace > Cc: fsj-digest ; arklatexgeo > > Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 10:08 pm > Subject: Re: fsj: Quarter Panel Repair Patches > > > This guy seems pretty serious, come get what you want! > > http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/pts/2489711904.html > > - Landon > /////// > On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Mark Wallace wrote: > >> Ken - >> >> I have used the quarter panel repair patches. I cut the old tin >> out...I think >> it was dented as well as rusted and I think I had patched it with >> fiberglass >> some years earlier. I cut the tin out and butt welded the new piece >> in. The >> patch panels don't fit all that well. they are a little long...on >> the old >> style wrap around taillight models (83 and earlier) you can hide >> the extra >> length under the backing light, but if I were into a newer one I >> would leave >> the factory seam in the back and cut the back off the patch panel >> to fit and >> butt weld all around. You don't want to tack a panel over on >> account of you >> have created a trap for moisture and dirt, which breeds rust. >> >> I have a factory quarter panel for one side of the wag in my shed. >> I am >> eventually going to get another. Any of you Texas guys got clean >> Wags in your >> yards down there? >> >> Now we go into my discussion about some of my favorite body work >> tools. Outfit >> your MIG macine with .023 wire. It works way better for thin stuff. >> For >> grinding down your welds I use a stone that looks like a cut off >> wheel but is >> about 1/8 of an inch thick. They wear like iron so one pack will >> last you a >> long time. For any cut off wheel I will only use Norton or 3M >> products because >> I have had a number of the off brands break and that is scary. I >> can get you >> the Norton number if you are interested. Then when you are butt >> welding sheet >> tin (or welding up holes) I back the weld with copper. I just clamp >> it in with >> a vice grip clamp. You can get some fancy pieces of copper from >> Eastwood, but >> you can also dig through your pile of junk and cut up a copper pipe >> and >> flatten that out. Copper backs the weld, sucks some heat out and >> prevents you >> from burning through so much. I run my tacks about a half inch >> apart (skipping >> around to create them) and then stitch them together. You can cool >> the weld >> either by quenching with a wet rag or blowing it off with your >> compressed air. >> >> check out restodan's channel on the youtube. His work is pretty >> good and he >> and he shoots his videos in an easy to follow way. His cars aren't >> prefect (by >> his admission) and his work is not concours, but as he says in a >> number of his >> videos he has a lot of fun with them. His work is pretty good though. >> >> Mark >> 81 Wag ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3811 **************************