From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Nov 17 23:43:00 2011 From: fsj-digest To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 06:37:21 +0000 Subject: fsj-digest V1 #3821 fsj-digest Friday, November 18 2011 Volume 01 : Number 3821 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff fsj: not how you want to see your transmission... fsj: Colorado / WY craigslist ad 1989 GR. Wagoneer fsj: Super Wagoneer armrest console wanted (not me!) Re: fsj: Colorado / WY craigslist ad 1989 GR. Wagoneer FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:05:13 -0600 From: "Potter, Tom E" Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff Yes Thomas E. Potter Technical Specialist II Transcontinental Gas Pipe Line Company, LLC Office: (713) 215-2877 Cell: (832) 794-0536 Fax: (713) 215-2551 E-mail: tom.e.potter-at-williams.com From: Jim Blair [mailto:carnuck-at-hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:04 AM To: Potter, Tom E; arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; local Jeep list Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff Did you switch the new assembly to the other side? Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > From: Tom.E.Potter-at-Williams.com > To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:24:06 -0600 > Subject: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff > > I spent some time (and quite a few bucks) solving a similar problem on My > granddaughter's 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The right brake light would not > function properly. When she turned on the parking lights or headlights and > pressed the brake, the tail light would go out (no tail light or brake > light). > > > > Step 1, I changed the bulb. No change. I checked the bulb holder contacts, and > they looked good but the plastic was dark from heat. > > Step 2, I swapped the tail light assembly to the driver's side. The problem > followed the assembly. Conclusion: faulty assembly. > > Step 3, I got a used assembly off E-bay and installed it. Same problem. I > repeat Step 2. > > Step 4, I purchased a NEW tail light assembly and installed it. Same problem. > I repeat Step 2. Now I am really confused. I am ready to give up and turn it > over to an auto electrician. > > Step 5, I am discussing the problem with a friend while we are examining the > tail light assembly. He mentions that the bulb holder looks burned. I had > checked the bulb holder contacts previously and they looked good. At that > point, I remembered from my distant past that some plastics become conductive > when subjected to heat. > > Step 6, I replaced the bulb holder with a good one from one of the other > assemblies. Voila, it worked perfectly. The overheated bulb holder was the > problem. > > > > I hope this info helps someone in the future. > > Thomas E. Potter > Technical Specialist II > Transcontinental Gas Pipe Line Company, LLC > Office: (713) 215-2877 > Cell: (832) 794-0536 > Fax: (713) 215-2551 > E-mail: tom.e.potter-at-williams.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Ken > Gaines > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:17 PM > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Lights doing really weird stuff > > Okay... > So about a month ago I had an alternator belt slip and the electrical > system burped for a split second. Now my interior dash lights stay on as > long as the ignition is on. Also my tail lights stay on unless I turn on > the turn signals. Only the left turn signal works. The right signal will > turn on but won't flash. I just changed all the bulbs and the turn flasher > too. No joy. Did something under the dash get fused together when the > alternator burped? > HELP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:04:02 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff Did you switch the new assembly to the other side? Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > From: Tom.E.Potter-at-Williams.com > To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:24:06 -0600 > Subject: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff > > I spent some time (and quite a few bucks) solving a similar problem on My > granddaughter's 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The right brake light would not > function properly. When she turned on the parking lights or headlights and > pressed the brake, the tail light would go out (no tail light or brake > light). > > > > Step 1, I changed the bulb. No change. I checked the bulb holder contacts, and > they looked good but the plastic was dark from heat. > > Step 2, I swapped the tail light assembly to the driver's side. The problem > followed the assembly. Conclusion: faulty assembly. > > Step 3, I got a used assembly off E-bay and installed it. Same problem. I > repeat Step 2. > > Step 4, I purchased a NEW tail light assembly and installed it. Same problem. > I repeat Step 2. Now I am really confused. I am ready to give up and turn it > over to an auto electrician. > > Step 5, I am discussing the problem with a friend while we are examining the > tail light assembly. He mentions that the bulb holder looks burned. I had > checked the bulb holder contacts previously and they looked good. At that > point, I remembered from my distant past that some plastics become conductive > when subjected to heat. > > Step 6, I replaced the bulb holder with a good one from one of the other > assemblies. Voila, it worked perfectly. The overheated bulb holder was the > problem. > > > > I hope this info helps someone in the future. > > Thomas E. Potter > Technical Specialist II > Transcontinental Gas Pipe Line Company, LLC > Office: (713) 215-2877 > Cell: (832) 794-0536 > Fax: (713) 215-2551 > E-mail: tom.e.potter-at-williams.com > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Ken > Gaines > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:17 PM > To: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Lights doing really weird stuff > > Okay... > So about a month ago I had an alternator belt slip and the electrical > system burped for a split second. Now my interior dash lights stay on as > long as the ignition is on. Also my tail lights stay on unless I turn on > the turn signals. Only the left turn signal works. The right signal will > turn on but won't flash. I just changed all the bulbs and the turn flasher > too. No joy. Did something under the dash get fused together when the > alternator burped? > HELP ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:18:45 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff my neighbor was having trouble with her WJ, not sure if she got it fixed or not... will let her know. thanx, john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 16 Nov 2011, Potter, Tom E wrote: # Yes # # Thomas E. Potter # Technical Specialist II # Transcontinental Gas Pipe Line Company, LLC # Office: (713) 215-2877 # Cell: (832) 794-0536 # Fax: (713) 215-2551 # E-mail: tom.e.potter-at-williams.com # From: Jim Blair [mailto:carnuck-at-hotmail.com] # Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:04 AM # To: Potter, Tom E; arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; local Jeep list # Subject: RE: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff # # Did you switch the new assembly to the other side? # # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # # > From: Tom.E.Potter-at-Williams.com # > To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net # > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 07:24:06 -0600 # > Subject: fsj: RE: Lights doing really weird stuff # > # > I spent some time (and quite a few bucks) solving a similar problem on My # > granddaughter's 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The right brake light would not # > function properly. When she turned on the parking lights or headlights and # > pressed the brake, the tail light would go out (no tail light or brake # > light). # > # > # > # > Step 1, I changed the bulb. No change. I checked the bulb holder contacts, # and # > they looked good but the plastic was dark from heat. # > # > Step 2, I swapped the tail light assembly to the driver's side. The problem # > followed the assembly. Conclusion: faulty assembly. # > # > Step 3, I got a used assembly off E-bay and installed it. Same problem. I # > repeat Step 2. # > # > Step 4, I purchased a NEW tail light assembly and installed it. Same # problem. # > I repeat Step 2. Now I am really confused. I am ready to give up and turn # it # > over to an auto electrician. # > # > Step 5, I am discussing the problem with a friend while we are examining # the # > tail light assembly. He mentions that the bulb holder looks burned. I had # > checked the bulb holder contacts previously and they looked good. At that # > point, I remembered from my distant past that some plastics become # conductive # > when subjected to heat. # > # > Step 6, I replaced the bulb holder with a good one from one of the other # > assemblies. Voila, it worked perfectly. The overheated bulb holder was the # > problem. # > # > # > # > I hope this info helps someone in the future. # > # > Thomas E. Potter # > Technical Specialist II # > Transcontinental Gas Pipe Line Company, LLC # > Office: (713) 215-2877 # > Cell: (832) 794-0536 # > Fax: (713) 215-2551 # > E-mail: tom.e.potter-at-williams.com # > -----Original Message----- # > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Ken # > Gaines # > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 6:17 PM # > To: fsj-at-digest.net # > Subject: fsj: Lights doing really weird stuff # > # > Okay... # > So about a month ago I had an alternator belt slip and the electrical # > system burped for a split second. Now my interior dash lights stay on as # > long as the ignition is on. Also my tail lights stay on unless I turn on # > the turn signals. Only the left turn signal works. The right signal will # > turn on but won't flash. I just changed all the bulbs and the turn flasher # > too. No joy. Did something under the dash get fused together when the # > alternator burped? # > HELP # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:07:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: not how you want to see your transmission... the pictures below are typically NOT how you want to see your automatic transmission... :) but, in case you ever wondered what was in an automatic transmission, well, at least as installed in a 2002 vw jetta TDI with the 01m transmission here you go: http://fotomeister.us/2011/11-Nov-16-VW-JettaAutoTransmission/ALL.html those flat (or supposed to be flat) pieces are clutches... they are supposed to have material on them (some or all?) you can see the tech pointing to the chips in the teeth in the ring gear and other issues... you can also see temper colors in the metal... that means things got really hot in there... one of those clutches was quite warped... all the material from the clutches ended up in the cooler which caused a cascading failure... in having the tech show me all the parts he noticed another part he had to order... my guess is a lot of these parts were bad before things started failing... but at least they're fixing them. the internals of those gears kind of broke and then engaged full on... if I hadn't put the car in neutral when I slowed down it would have killed the engine... so now we're just waiting on parts... maybe next week... the tech is interested in getting a TDI... with a manual transmission... ;) and was talking to me about some of the performance mods, we both agreed this TDI with an 01M is not a suitable platform for more power, but the manual trans version is... best bang for the buck I can think of is dropping the 11mm pump into the manual trans version, easy 20% power increase... recommended "myturbodiesel.com" as a good forum for info... the last picture is the best way I can think of having mac on windows... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:37:18 -0700 From: Troy Phagan Subject: fsj: Colorado / WY craigslist ad 1989 GR. Wagoneer I have no association with this seller or vehicle. I happened to see it in my local craigslist.org I thought it was a bit amusing, honestly. 1989 Grand Wagoneer, very clean. $5700 http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/2703456177.html - -- - -Troy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:23:48 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: fsj: Super Wagoneer armrest console wanted (not me!) http://theamcforum.com/forum/super-wagoneer-center-armrest_topic34328.html Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 00:22:25 -0600 From: Kim Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: Colorado / WY craigslist ad 1989 GR. Wagoneer Very nice specimen !! On Nov 17, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Troy Phagan wrote: > I have no association with this seller or vehicle. I happened to > see it in my local craigslist.org > I thought it was a bit amusing, honestly. > > 1989 Grand Wagoneer, very clean. $5700 > > http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/2703456177.html > > -- > -Troy ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3821 **************************