From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Fri Feb 3 22:57:00 2012 From: fsj-digest To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 06:56:47 +0000 Subject: fsj-digest V1 #3851 fsj-digest Saturday, February 4 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3851 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: fsj: 100 worst cars fsj: CARS: 100 best and worst... fsj: oil pressure question RE: fsj: oil pressure question fsj: RE: oil pressure question Re: fsj: oil pressure question Re: fsj: oil pressure question Re: fsj: oil pressure question Re: fsj: oil pressure question fsj: Fwd: oil pressure question FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 22:23:32 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: 100 worst cars How about that #58 car, eh? Whatta mug! http://www.insideline.com/features/100-worst-cars-of-all-time.html > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 21:56:50 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: 100 worst cars > > http://www.insideline.com/features/100-worst-cars-of-all-time.html > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 00:44:25 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: CARS: 100 best and worst... best: http://www.insideline.com/features/the-100-greatest-cars-of-all-time.html worst: http://www.insideline.com/features/100-worst-cars-of-all-time.html best movies/tv show cars: http://www.insideline.com/features/the-100-greatest-movie-and-tv-cars-of-all-time.html comment about the worst: the Olds Diesel wasn't bad IF you got the 5.7L with the updated Targetmaster... of course there were other issues, like the metric 200 trans and so on... comments concering the best: NOTE: 91 and 47! 15 should include the '67 and '68... there are cars that I wouldn't have included in this list, like #77, really, did this writer actually ever drive one??? ...wouldn't mind having an #87... or at least driving one that wasn't a Diesel... even though my '87 version of #87 was the world's fastest production Diesel when it was made... comments concerning the movies: can't believe Steve McQueens Mustang wasn't one of the items... the Charger was, but the MUSTANG was way cooler... ;) fwiw, when that movie played in my home town my best friend had a '66 Charger, and I had a '68 Mustang... we went through a set of tires pretty quick... :) ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:40:57 -0800 From: Michel Balea Subject: fsj: oil pressure question Driving the 85 Gwag last nite after 130 miles... the oil pressure dropped to 0, zero... stayed there.... there was no abnormal noise, pulled over. Checked oil level that was at minimum -not a level spot, it read less than the real level-, added half a pint.... restarted, took a little more time to register oil pressure... but finish the remaining 50 miles without any issues. Any thought, before heading for another long trip tomorrow! The funny part is that I gained a 25% mileage: 15mpg on 2 fill up, pulling the empty bike trailer at 55mph vs. the 65mph getting 11.2. Michel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:44:33 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: oil pressure question What filter? Do you have any leaks? A lot of AMCers add an extra quart when they aren't running all flat lands. > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:40:57 -0800 > Subject: fsj: oil pressure question > From: michelbalea-at-gmail.com > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > Driving the 85 Gwag last nite after 130 miles... the oil pressure dropped > to 0, zero... stayed there.... there was no abnormal noise, pulled over. > Checked oil level that was at minimum -not a level spot, it read less than > the real level-, added half a pint.... restarted, took a little more time > to register oil pressure... but finish the remaining 50 miles without any > issues. > > Any thought, before heading for another long trip tomorrow! > > The funny part is that I gained a 25% mileage: 15mpg on 2 fill up, pulling > the empty bike trailer at 55mph vs. the 65mph getting 11.2. > > Michel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:47:18 -0800 From: "T. Michael Basciano" Subject: fsj: RE: oil pressure question Mike, I don't chime in often, but I just had the same issue on my 1990 Wag. In the end, after replacing both the gauge and the sending unit, it just ended up being a bad sending unit. You might also want to check the wire connection to the sending unit as they can sometimes work loose. Trust me, if you had no oil pressure, you would know it... Hope that helps. Oh, and I purchased the sending unit online at autopartsdirect.com or something like that... T. Michael Basciano, COO Summit Riser Systems, Inc. 866.778.6648 www.summitrisersystems.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Michel Balea Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 8:41 AM To: fsgdigestlast last Subject: fsj: oil pressure question Driving the 85 Gwag last nite after 130 miles... the oil pressure dropped to 0, zero... stayed there.... there was no abnormal noise, pulled over. Checked oil level that was at minimum -not a level spot, it read less than the real level-, added half a pint.... restarted, took a little more time to register oil pressure... but finish the remaining 50 miles without any issues. Any thought, before heading for another long trip tomorrow! The funny part is that I gained a 25% mileage: 15mpg on 2 fill up, pulling the empty bike trailer at 55mph vs. the 65mph getting 11.2. Michel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 09:00:05 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: oil pressure question you actually read those gauges? you must be bored, as they are for entertainment purposes only... :) could be the sensor, galvanic corrosion on the back of the instrument cluster, a loose wire at the sensor, bad wiring, or even a bad ground. if you have an engine you care about you might consider an aftermarket mechanical gauge... john` ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Fri, 3 Feb 2012, Michel Balea wrote: # Driving the 85 Gwag last nite after 130 miles... the oil pressure dropped # to 0, zero... stayed there.... there was no abnormal noise, pulled over. # Checked oil level that was at minimum -not a level spot, it read less than # the real level-, added half a pint.... restarted, took a little more time # to register oil pressure... but finish the remaining 50 miles without any # issues. # # Any thought, before heading for another long trip tomorrow! # # The funny part is that I gained a 25% mileage: 15mpg on 2 fill up, pulling # the empty bike trailer at 55mph vs. the 65mph getting 11.2. # # Michel # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 09:42:45 -0800 From: Michel Balea Subject: Re: fsj: oil pressure question I have an AC filter, no major leaks, just the usual, a bit here and there, RMS, Front.... valve cover..... If I add too much above mid level, it marks it territory pretty badly. Debatting if I should do the RMS today..... on top of changing the motorbike tires, and visiting alcatraz with the friends..... ah, ah, ah, Are we supposed to leave tomorrow at sunrise! Yes I was bored driving 55-60 mph on the freeway.... and was checking the alternator that seems to be lazy after 100 miles of nite driving... it slowly dips toward 13volts.... but after 30 mins comes back up to 14volts.... and Yes I have 2 voltmeter gauges..... can you spell boredom.... no radio stations worth listening to.... Packing a spare alternator. And yes I believed that when you run out of oil of the pressure gets low... it will sound bad..... Thank you for your support.... I was going to use the 74.... but the carb rebuilt kit... did not work too well.... and the engine had some strange sound after startup.... not good with 349Kmiles on the oem.... on top it developped major blow by..... will get a rebuilt carb kit.... just in case.... I have time to do all the above..... Thank you all for your wise recommendations Michel On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > What filter? Do you have any leaks? A lot of AMCers add an extra quart when > they aren't running all flat lands. > > > Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 08:40:57 -0800 > > Subject: fsj: oil pressure question > > From: michelbalea-at-gmail.com > > To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net > > > > Driving the 85 Gwag last nite after 130 miles... the oil pressure dropped > > to 0, zero... stayed there.... there was no abnormal noise, pulled over. > > Checked oil level that was at minimum -not a level spot, it read less > than > > the real level-, added half a pint.... restarted, took a little more time > > to register oil pressure... but finish the remaining 50 miles without any > > issues. > > > > Any thought, before heading for another long trip tomorrow! > > > > The funny part is that I gained a 25% mileage: 15mpg on 2 fill up, > pulling > > the empty bike trailer at 55mph vs. the 65mph getting 11.2. > > > > Michel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:31:48 -0600 From: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: oil pressure question On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:42, Michel Balea wrote: > And yes I believed that when you run out of oil of the pressure gets low... > it will sound bad..... Are you running full synthetic oil? If so, you might not get the clicking noise right away. When mine went out, pressure went down to 0, but there was little I could do about it anyway, since I was 60-100mi from home. Kept driving, it started clicking the last couple miles, made it home, and the engine was toast. After looking at it, the mechanic said if I had stopped when the pressure first dropped, it wouldn't have helped much -- would've needed to replace the engine by that point anyway. But he said the synthetic oil definitely is what let me drive it the rest of the way home instead of breaking down there and having a hefty towing charge. (And it might also be what kept the whole thing from dying sooner.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 20:03:36 +0000 From: john Subject: Re: fsj: oil pressure question I've had a couple synthetic oil experiences like this that got me home, and the engine was fine, or we just assumed it wasn't, didn't even look. Chances are it would have been ok, but I know of very few mwchanics, including me, that would spend any money without going through it all. No one checked, but I'm thinking my 2.5L TD would have been saved with a new oil pump change, but I wasn't eager to spend a grand in parts to test my theory. What happens in oil failure is three bad things. 1) crank bearing lose lube and spoin - knocking results, very bad, gane over. Not usually a problem with synthetics. 2) rings / cylinder walls expand and can seize and possibly break, typical they will just add so much friction that you don't go, or restart. Most of the time you can recover from this. Synthetics delay this and often protect you. But some scoring and wear may happen, causing loss of power and oil burning later. Breaking a ring will cause oil burning and possible collateral damage. 3) the cam and or followers will be damaged, or broken. Unless the enginre completely seizes it may reecover. - ------Original Message------ From: Dan Black Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net To: Michel Balea Cc: FSJ ReplyTo: Dan Black Subject: Re: fsj: oil pressure question Sent: Feb 3, 2012 11:31 On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:42, Michel Balea wrote: > And yes I believed that when you run out of oil of the pressure gets low... > it will sound bad..... Are you running full synthetic oil? If so, you might not get the clicking noise right away. When mine went out, pressure went down to 0, but there was little I could do about it anyway, since I was 60-100mi from home. Kept driving, it started clicking the last couple miles, made it home, and the engine was toast. After looking at it, the mechanic said if I had stopped when the pressure first dropped, it wouldn't have helped much -- would've needed to replace the engine by that point anyway. But he said the synthetic oil definitely is what let me drive it the rest of the way home instead of breaking down there and having a hefty towing charge. (And it might also be what kept the whole thing from dying sooner.) __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:56:26 -0800 From: Michel Balea Subject: fsj: Fwd: oil pressure question Filter seems like a wise idea..... after all I am almost due for an oil change.... In fact I checked the oil pan bolts... and most of them were really loose.... not finger tight.... Synthetic, rislone.... I had good luck with the no smoke from bardahl..... I passed with flying colors,..... May be time to use better oil than rotella, diesel 15w40..... such as rotella synthetic.... Even the drain plug is oozing.... tight, tightened.... put a better washer... still oozing.... thanks for the support..... may be we will leave sunday am.... M On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Tesar Landon-R16884 wrote: > Replace the oil filter! > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fsj-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of > Michel Balea > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:41 AM > To: fsgdigestlast last > Subject: fsj: oil pressure question > > Driving the 85 Gwag last nite after 130 miles... the oil pressure dropped > to 0, zero... stayed there.... there was no abnormal noise, pulled over. > Checked oil level that was at minimum -not a level spot, it read less > than the real level-, added half a pint.... restarted, took a little more > time to register oil pressure... but finish the remaining 50 miles without > any issues. > > Any thought, before heading for another long trip tomorrow! > > The funny part is that I gained a 25% mileage: 15mpg on 2 fill up, > pulling the empty bike trailer at 55mph vs. the 65mph getting 11.2. > > Michel ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3851 **************************