From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Tue Feb 14 23:15:00 2012 From: fsj-digest To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:15:26 +0000 Subject: fsj-digest V1 #3862 fsj-digest Wednesday, February 15 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3862 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: Wiring Harnesses for FSJs and other jeeps Re: fsj: Wiring Harness for FSJ fsj: headlight design question (OT) RE: fsj: headlight design question (OT) fsj: Isuzu 2.8 turbo diesel in a ZJ RE: fsj: Wiring Harness for FSJ fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:09:27 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: Wiring Harnesses for FSJs and other jeeps only YOU can prevent roadside attractions and "car-b-q's"... all this started on the FSJ list... a couple of us have been having some wiring issues... check out this mess: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/tech/Wiring/WIRING-1983/ALL.html when I bought this 83 J10 it had a horrible time starting, ran like a top once started... finally when cranking the snot out of it one day I let go of the switch at just the right time and it caught... aha! I've been here before... with a Diesel conversion, someone didn't provide power to the fuel solenoid when cranking... I WONDER... I wonder if the coil is getting power through a ballast resistor or the solenoid... looked at the wiring, there dangled a snipped end of a wire... looked at the coil, it too had a dangling participle... wire... introduced the two and it lit right off... sheesh... wiring in Jeeps is always interesting, even from the factory... :) During our snow storm I was having issues with my alternator, draining my battery over night, low voltalge at idle... had it tested... picked up a reman... but before I could install it, it started charging full on, all the time.... huh? that's when I found the fusible link was in very bad shape and the alternator plug humble... Anyway, I fixed my alternator problem with the bypass and fuses, but now it's cutting out... likely because I didn't install the loop on the back of the amp gauge to finish the bypass and there is still damaged wire on the other side of that fusible link that I replaced... which means I need to open up the entire harness and check and replace wire... SO, I'm very tempted to buy the underhood kit from Zach's (zmjeeps) but I've already got the wire and a significant amount of the wiring redone under the hood at this point, and my J10 under the dash is pretty simple, most of the wire will be ok... wish I'd thought to look at BJSoffroad and ZMJeeps before I started all of this. :) considering the cost of wire, these aren't bad deals... either on ezwiring, bjsoffroad or zachs... I went down to the local battery/electrical shop and bought a couple rolls of wire, a couple 100A fuse blocks, some connectors and a few other odds and ends and dropped $120... of course I'll be able to build several of my own harnesses with what I bought, but it takes TIME... and these kits make it very simple... tempting... WIRING OPTIONS: $170 for a coded bundle http://www.ezwiring.com/wiring_harness.html with fuse box and switches isn't too bad at all, and a LOT less expensive than the Painless kits, which are pretty much like this one, and they sell for $500. but noticed that BJs has that 12 wire kit for the same price... SUPPORT BJS, he's done a good job of gathering hard to find stuff for our Jeeps! http://www.bjsoffroad.com/prod-1167.htm BUT WAIT, ZACH has the CORRECT underhood kit for $175.00 http://stores.zmjeeps.com/Detail.bok?no=128666 Wiring Harness Engine 78-85 FSJ Manufacturer: N/A SKU: 39378 UPC: 393782 Price: $175.00 Retail: $175.00 I HIGHLY RECOMMEND GETTING THIS KIT FROM ZACH for anyone with an older jeep who isn't into wiring and electronics, pop that stuff into some of that protective plastic tubing, tie it up nice to clear exhaust and sharp objects and you'll save yourself a LOT of grief, especially considering how hacked up most of the older Jeeps become, especially SJs and CJs (cj-10s), but not so much WJ or XJs... zach has the dash kit for the SJ for $450 http://stores.zmjeeps.com/Detail.bok?no=128653 Wiring Harness Dash '79-'85 FSJ Manufacturer: N/A SKU: 38218 UPC: 382199 Price: $450.00 Retail: $450.00 (sharing with the jeep lists...) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Michel Balea wrote: # > > as for wiring harness, at $150ish # > > http://www.ezwiring.com/wiring_harness.html, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:15:51 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Wiring Harness for FSJ Ken, check out Zach's site... see my last post, much better than the universal kit, at least for under the hood... I'm tempted even though I've already redone most of mine... http://stores.zmjeeps.com/Detail.bok?no=128666 (it may not be the exact year as yours though, through 85... not sure what the differences are, email zach and see, he might be able to point out what you'd need or create one for you...) the universal kit will leave you with extra wire and splicing... Since I'm in the middle of an amp gauge bypass, headlight relays, have an aftermarket coil and other cobbled together stuff I should just finish what I started... but will be interested to learn if others try zach's kit and how well it works, can't imagine it not working brillantly... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Tue, 14 Feb 2012, Ken Gaines wrote: # Thanks, Michel! That's a good find and looks to be worth the money. That # site is probably where I will order it from. I'll probably go with the # 21-circuit mini fuse kit unless someone here turns me in another direction. # # The GW learned a new trick this morning. It learned how to let the # (probably broken) electric choke start sticking. I can't wait till I have # the $$ to go with an EFI system for this engine. I truly HATE carbs # On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Michel Balea wrote: # # > # > John, nice find on your wiring. # > # > as for wiring harness, at $150ish # > # > http://www.ezwiring.com/wiring_harness.html, # > # > Made it back from DV, the alternator decided to slowly quit before Mojave, # > and the one street town had a big sign for Napa auto parts, it took longer # > to find the belts than the removal installation of the alternator. The # > spare that I carried did not pass the test in the shop, and had to settle # > for a 65amp, which did the job, no working A/C here. # > # > The white roll on paint on the roof did an amazing job, parked in the sun, # > it was not hot inside, the temp were not hot either, but a navy roof will # > cook the occupants even on a sunny but cold day. # > # > The oil consumption was above normal.... I think that the sleeve for the # > front crankshaft seal is not doing a great job, I replaced it a few times # > in the last 5 years.... it is good for a few months only. Any hints are # > welcome. # > # > Cheers # > # > Michel # > # > # > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:26 AM, john wrote: # > # >> could be... # >> # >> but I suspect it's more likely related to this: # >> # >> # >> http://fotomeister.us/2012/01-Jan-30-wiring-laptops-mac/IMG_2587_2012-01-29.jpg # >> # >> :) # >> # >> john # >> # >> # >> # >> ----- # >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # >> -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com # >> Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold # >> http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS # >> http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us # >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # >> # >> # >> On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, Jim Blair wrote: # >> # >> # That sounds like a bad ignition switch. BMax's '83 did that till I # >> replaced # >> # the slider which was cracked in half inside. # >> # # >> # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 # >> # # >> # # >> # > Subject: Re: fsj: Wiring Harness for FSJ # >> # > To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net # >> # > From: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com # >> # > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:20:41 +0000 # >> # > # >> # > I think zach at zmjeep sells one and so does brad at bjsoffroad, # >> both kits # >> # are quite expensive. # >> # > # >> # > My j10 is doing some stupid stuff right now as well, tried to use it # >> # yesterday and the battery had drained, then it would just cut off. At # >> random. # >> # Idling or trying to drive. # >> # > # >> # > I think I need to pull the rats nest of wiring out from under the # >> dash. # >> # Finish the bypass of the amp guage and clean up spurious PO stereo and # >> aux # >> # light installs. The stereo may be part of the problem, even though I # >> rewired # >> # it to correct power sources it comes on when it feels like, even with # >> the # >> # ignition off! It's an unusual brand, poltergeist electronics or # >> something # >> # like that. (Just kidding). # >> # > # >> # > What I've done on several of my fsjs is to create my own wiring # >> harness. You # >> # sort out all the wires that are there, unbundle them and then trace # >> from # >> # switch to source and load. Then create a new bundle with a snip and # >> splice at # >> # each end. Then tie wrap, tape and route away from heat, feet and sharp # >> edges. # >> # > # >> # > A j10 will be a lot easier than a gw. My J10 is simple, no power # >> anything, # >> # not even a dome light. :) # >> # > # >> # > I've been working on the idea of building a harness set so an fsj # >> owner # >> # could just drop it in. Problem is these things are all a mess and they # >> all # >> # seem slightly different by year and PO. # >> # > # >> # > I replaced my fusible link with a 100A fuse, but didn't complete the # >> amp # >> # gauge bypass, so my problem may be fixed by placing a jumper on the # >> back of my # >> # amp gauge and tracing both sides and replacing those wires. # >> # > # >> # > My J10 is a very likely upcoming roadside attraction and car-b-q # >> otherwise. # >> # > # >> # > Pictures of either event forthcoming. :) # >> # > # >> # > John # >> # > # >> # > ------Original Message------ # >> # > From: Ken Gaines # >> # > Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net # >> # > To: FSJ # >> # > ReplyTo: Ken Gaines # >> # > Subject: fsj: Wiring Harness for FSJ # >> # > Sent: Feb 13, 2012 08:02 # >> # > # >> # > So....my alternator decided to burp and send a nice current jolt # >> through my # >> # > fuse box. In the process, it fused several lighting wires together. I # >> # > started repairing the mess and decided that it might be better to # >> just # >> # > rewire the whole truck considering all the other electrical gremlins # >> that # >> # > are bound to rear their heads. I had a look at the Painless # >> Performance # >> # > site and they don't list a harness for the Wagoneer. Does anyone # >> know of a # >> # > good source for a new/replacement harness? # >> # > # >> # > -- # >> # > Ken Gaines # >> # > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman # >> # > Arklatex Geographics, LLC # >> # > (318) 422-5731 Mobile # >> # > arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com # >> # > http://www.arklatexgeo.com # >> # > # >> # > # >> # > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ # >> # # >> # > # > # # # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: fsj: headlight design question (OT) trying to pick a replacement headlight style for my jetta wagon... these are euro versions with foglight... http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/tdi/Jetta-Headlights/choose.html there's one with black inside, one all chrome and one that has an interesting look called titanium.... my jetta wagon is silver so these pictures are a good representation... which one looks the best (yeah, I know, subjective, OT, etc... humor me. :) My current stock lights don't have the fog lights and are pretty fogged up, also one is missing one of the covers in the back... these are affordable, but they all look good to me... so... :) thanx, john http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/tdi/Jetta-Headlights/choose.html ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:08:53 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: headlight design question (OT) Are your accents black on the car? If not, scratch the black one. Titanium looks like maybe it's going to block a certain wavelength? Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:00:32 -0800 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: > Subject: fsj: headlight design question (OT) > > trying to pick a replacement headlight style for my jetta wagon... > these are euro versions with foglight... > > http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/tdi/Jetta-Headlights/choose.html > > there's one with black inside, one all chrome and one that has an interesting look > called titanium.... > > my jetta wagon is silver so these pictures are a good representation... > > which one looks the best (yeah, I know, subjective, OT, etc... humor me. :) > > My current stock lights don't have the fog lights and are pretty fogged up, > also one is missing one of the covers in the back... these are affordable, > but they all look good to me... so... :) > > thanx, > john > > http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/tdi/Jetta-Headlights/choose.html > > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: john-at-wagoneers.com > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 17:21:09 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: fsj: Isuzu 2.8 turbo diesel in a ZJ http://www.canev.com/Jeep.html Tripped over this one. It looks sort of familiar? Maybe it wasn't finished the last time I looked a few years ago? This one has an AX-15, but I discovered the Trooper came with AW4 and the 2.2L diesel! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isuzu_Trooper (see the specs on the right) Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will like them only Entangle and hold the poor and weak, while the rich and powerful will easily break through them ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:05:45 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Wiring Harness for FSJ It's optional whether it's the front or rear seal that goes first. Fix the front really good and the rear might pop next! Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 09:23:35 -0800 > Subject: Re: fsj: Wiring Harness for FSJ > From: michelbalea-at-gmail.com > To: carnuck1-at-msn.com > CC: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com; arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > > If the front seal goes, shouldn't the RMS go as well, the RMS is good, I > checked it before the trip when I pulled the torque converter access plate, > it was dry. The oil travel all accross the right side of the engine, the > oil pump is covered with oil. In fact I remember that the oil pump can > develop cracks on the idle pulley, but the oil pressure is good. > > I'll recheck and clean the PCV system, there was some oil starting to > percolate at the oil filler tube.... The 85 passed 208Kmiles, trany is > still good thanks to using the engine oil treatment from STP, I used half a > bottle, it is crisper. > > Michel > > On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > > > On the front seal, it sounds like the seal itself is bad and I'd check the > > PCV > > system very carefully for clogging. On the other list someone suggested a > > crankcase vacuum pump to force the seals closed. > > > > Written laws are like spiders' webs, and will > > like them only Entangle and hold the poor and > > weak, while the rich and powerful will easily > > break through them > > > > ANACHARSIS Scythian philosopher (fl. 600 BC) > > > > > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 08:15:02 -0800 > > > Subject: Re: fsj: Wiring Harness for FSJ > > > From: michelbalea-at-gmail.com > > > To: john-at-wagoneers.com > > > CC: carnuck-at-hotmail.com; fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com; arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; > > fsj-at-digest.net > > > > > > John, nice find on your wiring. > > > > > > as for wiring harness, at $150ish > > > > > > http://www.ezwiring.com/wiring_harness.html, > > > > > > Made it back from DV, the alternator decided to slowly quit before > > Mojave, > > > and the one street town had a big sign for Napa auto parts, it took > > longer > > > to find the belts than the removal installation of the alternator. The > > > spare that I carried did not pass the test in the shop, and had to settle > > > for a 65amp, which did the job, no working A/C here. > > > > > > The white roll on paint on the roof did an amazing job, parked in the > > sun, > > > it was not hot inside, the temp were not hot either, but a navy roof will > > > cook the occupants even on a sunny but cold day. > > > > > > The oil consumption was above normal.... I think that the sleeve for > > the > > > front crankshaft seal is not doing a great job, I replaced it a few times > > > in the last 5 years.... it is good for a few months only. Any hints are > > > welcome. > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Michel > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:26 AM, john wrote: > > > > > > > could be... > > > > > > > > but I suspect it's more likely related to this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://fotomeister.us/2012/01-Jan-30-wiring-laptops-mac/IMG_2587_2012-01-29.j > > pg > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > john > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -o|||||o- fahrvergnugen y'all - please reply to: > > john-at-wagoneers.com > > > > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and VWs don't rust, they mold > > > > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 TRSTGZS > > > > http://JohnMeister.com HTTP://WAGONEERS.COM http://fotomeister.us > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 13 Feb 2012, Jim Blair wrote: > > > > > > > > # That sounds like a bad ignition switch. BMax's '83 did that till I > > > > replaced > > > > # the slider which was cracked in half inside. > > > > # > > > > # Jim Blair, Lynnwood, WA '87 Comanche, '83 Jeep J10, '84 Jeep J10 > > > > # > > > > # > > > > # > Subject: Re: fsj: Wiring Harness for FSJ > > > > # > To: arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com; fsj-at-digest.net > > > > # > From: fullsizejeeps-at-gmail.com > > > > # > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:20:41 +0000 > > > > # > > > > > # > I think zach at zmjeep sells one and so does brad at bjsoffroad, > > both > > > > kits > > > > # are quite expensive. > > > > # > > > > > # > My j10 is doing some stupid stuff right now as well, tried to use > > it > > > > # yesterday and the battery had drained, then it would just cut off. > > At > > > > random. > > > > # Idling or trying to drive. > > > > # > > > > > # > I think I need to pull the rats nest of wiring out from under the > > > > dash. > > > > # Finish the bypass of the amp guage and clean up spurious PO stereo > > and > > > > aux > > > > # light installs. The stereo may be part of the problem, even though I > > > > rewired > > > > # it to correct power sources it comes on when it feels like, even > > with > > > > the > > > > # ignition off! It's an unusual brand, poltergeist electronics or > > > > something > > > > # like that. (Just kidding). > > > > # > > > > > # > What I've done on several of my fsjs is to create my own wiring > > > > harness. You > > > > # sort out all the wires that are there, unbundle them and then trace > > from > > > > # switch to source and load. Then create a new bundle with a snip and > > > > splice at > > > > # each end. Then tie wrap, tape and route away from heat, feet and > > sharp > > > > edges. > > > > # > > > > > # > A j10 will be a lot easier than a gw. My J10 is simple, no power > > > > anything, > > > > # not even a dome light. :) > > > > # > > > > > # > I've been working on the idea of building a harness set so an fsj > > > > owner > > > > # could just drop it in. Problem is these things are all a mess and > > they > > > > all > > > > # seem slightly different by year and PO. > > > > # > > > > > # > I replaced my fusible link with a 100A fuse, but didn't complete > > the > > > > amp > > > > # gauge bypass, so my problem may be fixed by placing a jumper on the > > > > back of my > > > > # amp gauge and tracing both sides and replacing those wires. > > > > # > > > > > # > My J10 is a very likely upcoming roadside attraction and car-b-q > > > > otherwise. > > > > # > > > > > # > Pictures of either event forthcoming. :) > > > > # > > > > > # > John > > > > # > > > > > # > ------Original Message------ > > > > # > From: Ken Gaines > > > > # > Sender: owner-fsj-at-digest.net > > > > # > To: FSJ > > > > # > ReplyTo: Ken Gaines > > > > # > Subject: fsj: Wiring Harness for FSJ > > > > # > Sent: Feb 13, 2012 08:02 > > > > # > > > > > # > So....my alternator decided to burp and send a nice current jolt > > > > through my > > > > # > fuse box. In the process, it fused several lighting wires > > together. > > I > > > > # > started repairing the mess and decided that it might be better to > > just > > > > # > rewire the whole truck considering all the other electrical > > gremlins > > > > that > > > > # > are bound to rear their heads. I had a look at the Painless > > > > Performance > > > > # > site and they don't list a harness for the Wagoneer. Does anyone > > know > > > > of a > > > > # > good source for a new/replacement harness? > > > > # > > > > > # > -- > > > > # > Ken Gaines > > > > # > Sr. GIS Analyst/Petroleum Landman > > > > # > Arklatex Geographics, LLC > > > > # > (318) 422-5731 Mobile > > > > # > arklatexgeo-at-gmail.com > > > > # > http://www.arklatexgeo.com > > > > # > > > > > # > > > > > # > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ > > > > # ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 07:15:04 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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[this section is no longer operative, as the demime software now strips html, attachments, rich text format, etc. from postings automatically.] e) are your posts too large? there is a 10,000 character limit on posting sizes; this is done for various reasons. you can always split up large postings to get mail through. f) are you including majordomo commands at the start of your message? administrivia control is turned on; this is a trap for things like "unsubscribe" at the start of a message. try to avoid obvious majordomo commands in the subject and the first 10 lines, or misspell them in obvious ways (e.g. unzubscribe, 1ndex, h3lp, g3t, etc.) g) are you triggering spam traps? some things are red flags; for example, many phrases found commonly in spam are automatically blocked. h) are you using "funky" character sets? [7 bit restriction lifted experimentally on 8/2/00 -- film at 11] unfortunately, there are "issues" if i permit any character set other than old fashioned 7 level ASCII; therefore, you need to avoid national character sets that include various accents, umlauts, national currency characters such as the British pound symbol, etc. i) are you unintentionally including complete digests in your reply? You need to check and make sure you cut down replys to the minimal size; digests are between 20,000 and 25,000 characters in length, and if you include a complete digest in your reply, it clearly won't make the 10,000 character limit. By the way, this feature is intentional. j) Are you using a "bad" ISP or mail relay? See http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html for more information about Digest.Net policies about email. k) Is the error message you get back "User Unknown"? If so, you may be running afoul of spam control severices (again, see http://www.digest.net/email-policy.html) When these services register a hit, the error code 550 is returned. 550 is a generic code that many broken mail systems report as "user unknown". The "rejectlog" entries for the previous day's mail traffic on digest.net may be viewed at http://www.digest.net/rejectlog.01 Some of you may find it useful or instructive to use the telnet program to connect directly to port 25 on krusty-motorsports.com and see what kind of reply you get; this requires some technical knowledge and is not for everyone (you can get out of this at anytime after the initial banner simply by typing quit and hitting enter.) l) Is SMTP over TLS involved? This is a bit esoteric, but as of 8/8/01 the digest.net mail server will attempt to use "TLS" (Transport Layer Security) for outbound mail if the destination mail server offers it. SMTP over TLS is fairly new technology, and a bit buggy. I am monitoring the logs on the server, and when I see TLS related problems, I manually place the problem destinations on a special exception list; however, this may delay email to the destination host until I make the exception. 2. Why can't I unsubscribe? a) are you using the right address? send to majordomo-at-digest.net, and the command format is unsubscribe list-name my-email-address b) has your email address changed? majordomo has no way of knowing that Fred.Flinstone-at-BarneyCo.com was once fflintstone-at-bedrock.org. you can check this with the which command (see 1.b) above for details) 3. How do I post to the list? You may use either one of two addresses: for example, the bmw-digest may be reached using either bmw-at-digest.net or bmw-digest-at-digest.net If you are using the correct addresses and your posts don't show up, check out the stuff in 1. above. 4. Where are the archives? see ftp://ftp.digest.net/ for digest archives. the web archives have proven problematic, and are awaiting time for a systematic attack on the problems they've been having. 5. What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. 6. Is there a web subscription form? Yes, recently added. go to http://www.digest.net/bin/digest-subs.cgi 7. Why not move the lists to someplace like (egroups, topica,...)? The Krusty Motorsports server (aka, digest.net) was explicitly to provide for efficient management of the various automotive mailing lists, done the way that the owner of the server wanted it done. Any migration off of the server (which is already bought, paid for, and configured) would create any number of issues. 8. How do i contact the Server Administrator in an emergency? If my regular email address (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com) isn't working for you, you can fall back on rwelty-at-suespammers.org 9. What is Krusty Motorsports, anyway? Krusty Motorsports (http:/www.krusty-motorsports.com/) is a business which is owned and operated by Richard Welty (rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com). Krusty is an S-Corporation in the State of New York. Krusty provides a number of Internet related services, such as mailing list, web sites, pop3/telnet accounts, and consulting on internet related issues. For more information, see the web site. ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3862 **************************