From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Sun May 20 23:12:00 2012 From: fsj-digest To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 06:12:03 +0000 Subject: fsj-digest V1 #3918 fsj-digest Monday, May 21 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3918 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: W123 Diesel estate drifting champ, and Diesel engine swap ideas fsj: almost 41 mpg... solar eclipse and a suburban FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 10:12:08 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: W123 Diesel estate drifting champ, and Diesel engine swap ideas this looks like a blast: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24afjVqm2Uw&feature=player_embedded The guy is using a modified '98 OM606 (3.0L Diesel) out of an E300 with a Scania turbo... and a few other tweaks... estimated to make about 450hp... the 300TD is the 123 body style from 1975-1885. The stock W123 came with a 3.0L OM617 Turbo Diesel from 82-85, they were naturally aspirated prior to that... went from 88hp to 125hp... Turbos and Diesels... the perfect combination... WHICH BRINGS UP THE TOPICS OF DIESEL SWAPS... Mercedes, VW, GM, Cummins, Nissan... :) I'm putting an SD33T (from an 80 scout) into my '83 J10 stepside... but have considered several conversions... also did a 6.2 into a 91 Grand Wagoneer... my J10 project has been going on for years, using a CJ-10A as an inspiration and test bed to confirm the drivetrain... enjoyed the SD33 with the same trans, etc. Know that the turbo version will be even nicer, especially in the lighter J10... the cj-10a was NOT light... Putting a TDI or an OM617 or better on OM602 into an XJ, TJ or even a WJ has been a day dream for some time... :) The biggest hangup on a swap is of course mating it to a transmission... I need an automatic which complicates the process significantly... I've had a few ideas about using the stock transmission mated to the original engine with a divorced transfer case setup... but in smaller jeeps that gets long and complicated, and expensive... Mercedes Diesels - -------------------------------- 85 - 190D 2.2L - 72 hp -at- 4,200 - 96 ft lbs -at- 2,800 (normally aspirated) <-- ludwig 83 - 240D 2.4L - 72 hp -at- 4,400 - 97 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally aspirated) 87 - 190D 2.5L - 123 hp -at- 4,600 - 168 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) 87 - 300d 3.0L - 143 hp -at- 4600 rpm - 195 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm (TURBO) 81 - 300D 3.0L - 88 hp -at- 4,400 - 126.6 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (normally aspirated) <-- fritz 83 - 300SD 3.0L - 125 hp -at- 4,350 - 170 ft lbs -at- 2,400 (TURBO) - -87 300d 3.0L chassis 124.133 /engine 603.960 143 hp -at- 4600 rpm, 195 ftlbs -at- 2400 rpm engine specs OM603 - 147bhp, 195 ftlbs, had a top speed over 125 mph and was the fastest Diesel car in the world, and still rated at 25/30mpg. 91 - 300D 2.5L - 121 hp/ 165 ftlbs the '91 300D 2.5LTD had 121hp, 165ftlbs of torque - 0 to 60 in 10.7 seconds, top speed 121mph, 27/33mpg VW TDIs (need to gather more details... :) - ------------------------------- ALH? - 100 horsepower and 180 lb-ft of torque (if anyone has a summary of TDI engines over the years, please share, will add to this list and make ONE List with GM, Cummins, Nissan, TDI and Mercedes Diesels and any others that are available stateside - unless you want to ship us poor deprived americans engines from europe or asia let's not torment us please... thanx!) OM617 into a Jeep: http://kochenterprises.auto.officelive.com/default.aspx --> moved to: http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/ http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?7413-compilation-of-OM617-swap-p rojects TDI swap into a Jeep http://blogs.jpmagazine.com/6667601/editorials/easy-jeep-vw-tdi-diesel-swap/i ndex.html http://blogs.jpmagazine.com/6667601/editorials/easy-jeep-vw-tdi-diesel-swap/i ndex.html#ixzz1vF0V3sbK 6.2 into a GW: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/rigs/Omega/ SD33T into a J10: http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/SuperDawg/2010_April_26-drivetrain-fitting/ http://johnmeister.com/DIESELS/Diesel-options-Jeep.txt http://wagoneers.com/FSJ/engines-comparison-October-2008.txt ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college educationb^] Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Stephen Rigley To: john Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 11:12:23 +0100 Subject: W123 Diesel estate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24afjVqm2Uw&feature=player_embedded Looks like fun ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 23:11:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: almost 41 mpg... solar eclipse and a suburban http://fotomeister.us/2012/05-May-20-Annular-Solar-Eclipse-ReddingCA-I-5-n-97 suburban/ALL.html from what was sunny snohomish to roasting redding (it was almost 90F), an I-5 adventure to see a rare annular solar eclipse... it wasn't as exciting as I thought it would be... http://fotomeister.us/2012/05-May-20-Annular-Solar-Eclipse-ReddingCA-I-5-n-97 suburban/IMG_6457_telescope-image_2012.05.20.jpg sure the light changed a little bit and the most unusual thing about it was that the mosquitoes came out in force as the eclipse hit it's peak... got a few good shots with my custom filters, and shooting through a welding mask... also bought a suburban for the summer, family is coming out and needed a people carrier... ;) oh yeah... made it from north of Seattle to Medford, Oregon on must over 1/2 a tank in the Jetta TDI wagon.... only got 40.7 mpg... wasn't driving for economy, automatic, a/c... actually did a bunch of running around in Centralia buying the Suburban... http://johnmeister.com/CARS/1997-Suburban-19may2012/ALL.html Not sure if we'll rent a tow dolly or trailer to get both rigs home, or got back down on Saturday with my son... the '87 300d is still in the shop getting the rear suspension fixed... looking forward to cooler weather, even if it means rain.... this heat was not fun, 89 degrees is terrible... and they said it'll get to 117 here in the summer... oh yeah, and we're pretty much over in-n-out burger... we went when they were really busy, just not as good as we remembered it... Did get a few cool car shots, like that '59 MG... there were other cars but didn't post all of them... john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- b^\A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college educationb^] Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3918 **************************