From owner-fsj-digest-at-digest.net Thu Jun 14 23:15:00 2012 From: fsj-digest To: fsj-digest-at-digest.net Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:15:29 +0000 Subject: fsj-digest V1 #3934 fsj-digest Friday, June 15 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3934 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: fsj: OM617 options in Jeep fsj: Re: xj: OM617 options in Jeep RE: fsj: OM617 options in Jeep RE: fsj: OM617 options in Jeep RE: fsj: Re: xj: OM617 options in Jeep fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:54:41 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: OM617 options in Jeep as far as the OM617 in your XJ have you looked at: http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/aboutus.asp http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/category_s/1817.htm just saw this: A-MB206 Adapter Kit Our Price: $380.00 OM617 to AW4 Jeep Cherokee Automatic transmission Adapter Kit I had asked them about an adapter for an AW4... they said they'd started working on a YJ w/ an AT, thought it might have been a 904. But now I see this... sweet... there are many other issues about the liberty other than it's ugliness... IFS... mercedes style window controls... wiring flaws (sounds german (or british) to me... limited cargo, less than wonderful handling... etc. there is also an oilpan kit you can buy... have to send in your old one... I think I still have an AW4 with some of my other stuff with SuperDawg... but they're cheap in boneyards... $150 for the last one I bought... I have a custom adapter with my stuff... 2.72 gears in the White J10 might work ok with the OM617 with an AW4... glad you made this comment Travis... :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 14 Jun 2012, Travis Barnard wrote: # I'm still committed to putting my 83' OM617 in my XJ. It's only a matter of # getting a good space to work and putting the money together to do it. I # have soo many projects on my plate right now that it seems I will never get # to it. However this summer I'm going to learn to weld while at toorcamp so # that will be productive. # # I looked at the Liberty and don't like the way the look. Also I tried # finding just an engine from one and they are a bit out of my price range. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:26 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: Re: xj: OM617 options in Jeep so, with those manual shifters, you just have to unlock the TC when coming to a stop, and remember to put it in a lower gear... that is if you like the transmission, right? :) john ----- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 14 Jun 2012, Travis Barnard wrote: # Yep I've seen those kits and that has been the basis of my hope to complete # this project soon. Well that and on of these. # http://www.radesignsproducts.com/Baja.html # # Although if my understanding is correct I will have to include a switch for # the torque converter lockout so it will end up more like this. # http://www.northernautoparts.com/Images/Uploaded/Hurst/Hurst_3162001.jpg # # There are also a number of great OM617 swap write ups out there from pirate # 4x4 to NAXJA forums and they were pretty complete but all used AX-15s. # # # Living in an apartment makes for little ability to work on anything # mechanical so until I can get some garage space and tools the project is on # hold. Well that and finish the other projects I've been working on lately. # # Oh and here is today's lesson: # Never punch a super hero as hard as you can # http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Kid-in-cast-after-punching-superhero-Phoenix-3634602.php # # # On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, john wrote: # # > as far as the OM617 in your XJ have you looked at: # > # > http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/aboutus.asp # > http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/category_s/1817.htm # > # > just saw this: # > A-MB206 Adapter Kit # > Our Price: $380.00 # > # > OM617 to AW4 Jeep Cherokee Automatic transmission Adapter Kit # > # > I had asked them about an adapter for an AW4... they said they'd started # > working on a YJ w/ an AT, # > thought it might have been a 904. But now I see this... sweet... # > # > # > there are many other issues about the liberty other than it's ugliness... # > IFS... mercedes style # > window controls... wiring flaws (sounds german (or british) to me... # > limited cargo, less than wonderful handling... etc. # > # > there is also an oilpan kit you can buy... have to send in your old one... # > # > I think I still have an AW4 with some of my other stuff with SuperDawg... # > but they're cheap in boneyards... $150 for # > the last one I bought... I have a custom adapter with my stuff... 2.72 # > gears in the White J10 might work ok # > with the OM617 with an AW4... # > # > glad you made this comment Travis... :) # > # > john # > # > ----- # > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ # > -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold # > buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" # > Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) # > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > # > # > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012, Travis Barnard wrote: # > # > # I'm still committed to putting my 83' OM617 in my XJ. It's only a # > matter of # > # getting a good space to work and putting the money together to do it. I # > # have soo many projects on my plate right now that it seems I will never # > get # > # to it. However this summer I'm going to learn to weld while at toorcamp # > so # > # that will be productive. # > # # > # I looked at the Liberty and don't like the way the look. Also I tried # > # finding just an engine from one and they are a bit out of my price # > range. # > # # # # ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:46:37 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: OM617 options in Jeep The 904 kit should work for TH400 too if you put in the crank sleeve. I wonder what's in the AW4 kit that's different? I know I would have the converter stall speed adjusted to work with the diesel. Wish I could've found out more about that Mitsubishi 6 cyl diesel I found on CL for $300. I know it fits Kobelco Trackhoes and is pretty much bulletproof as well as economical. 5 gallons used to last an 8 hour shift doing grader work. > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:54:41 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: xj-at-digest.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: fsj: OM617 options in Jeep > > as far as the OM617 in your XJ have you looked at: > > http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/aboutus.asp > http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/category_s/1817.htm > > just saw this: > A-MB206 Adapter Kit > Our Price: $380.00 > > OM617 to AW4 Jeep Cherokee Automatic transmission Adapter Kit > > I had asked them about an adapter for an AW4... they said they'd started working on a YJ w/ an AT, > thought it might have been a 904. But now I see this... sweet... > > > there are many other issues about the liberty other than it's ugliness... IFS... mercedes style > window controls... wiring flaws (sounds german (or british) to me... limited cargo, less than wonderful handling... etc. > > there is also an oilpan kit you can buy... have to send in your old one... > > I think I still have an AW4 with some of my other stuff with SuperDawg... but they're cheap in boneyards... $150 for > the last one I bought... I have a custom adapter with my stuff... 2.72 gears in the White J10 might work ok > with the OM617 with an AW4... > > glad you made this comment Travis... :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold > buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012, Travis Barnard wrote: > > # I'm still committed to putting my 83' OM617 in my XJ. It's only a matter of > # getting a good space to work and putting the money together to do it. I > # have soo many projects on my plate right now that it seems I will never get > # to it. However this summer I'm going to learn to weld while at toorcamp so > # that will be productive. > # > # I looked at the Liberty and don't like the way the look. Also I tried > # finding just an engine from one and they are a bit out of my price range. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 17:53:52 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: OM617 options in Jeep The 904 kit should work for TH400 too if you put in the crank sleeve. I wonder what's in the AW4 kit that's different? I know I would have the converter stall speed adjusted to work with the diesel. Wish I could've found out more about that Mitsubishi 6 cyl diesel I found on CL for $300. I know it fits Kobelco Trackhoes and is pretty much bulletproof as well as economical. 5 gallons used to last an 8 hour shift doing grader work. I've been trying to find someplace reasonable to rebuild the John Deere turbo on the trackhoe I'm working on now. > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:54:41 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: xj-at-digest.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net; diesel-benz-at-digest.net; WJ-Grand-at-yahoogroups.com; CJ-10List-at-yahoogroups.com > Subject: fsj: OM617 options in Jeep > > as far as the OM617 in your XJ have you looked at: > > http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/aboutus.asp > http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/category_s/1817.htm > > just saw this: > A-MB206 Adapter Kit > Our Price: $380.00 > > OM617 to AW4 Jeep Cherokee Automatic transmission Adapter Kit > > I had asked them about an adapter for an AW4... they said they'd started working on a YJ w/ an AT, > thought it might have been a 904. But now I see this... sweet... > > > there are many other issues about the liberty other than it's ugliness... IFS... mercedes style > window controls... wiring flaws (sounds german (or british) to me... limited cargo, less than wonderful handling... etc. > > there is also an oilpan kit you can buy... have to send in your old one... > > I think I still have an AW4 with some of my other stuff with SuperDawg... but they're cheap in boneyards... $150 for > the last one I bought... I have a custom adapter with my stuff... 2.72 gears in the White J10 might work ok > with the OM617 with an AW4... > > glad you made this comment Travis... :) > > john > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold > buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012, Travis Barnard wrote: > > # I'm still committed to putting my 83' OM617 in my XJ. It's only a matter of > # getting a good space to work and putting the money together to do it. I > # have soo many projects on my plate right now that it seems I will never get > # to it. However this summer I'm going to learn to weld while at toorcamp so > # that will be productive. > # > # I looked at the Liberty and don't like the way the look. Also I tried > # finding just an engine from one and they are a bit out of my price range. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 18:09:01 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Re: xj: OM617 options in Jeep You can hook the lockup to the brake light switch (cruise control side) so it disengages when you hit the brakes. > Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:54:26 -0700 > From: john-at-wagoneers.com > To: xj-at-digest.net > CC: fsj-at-digest.net > Subject: fsj: Re: xj: OM617 options in Jeep > > so, with those manual shifters, you just have to unlock the TC when coming > to a stop, and remember to put it in a lower gear... that is if you like > the transmission, right? :) > > john > > > > ----- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold > buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012, Travis Barnard wrote: > > # Yep I've seen those kits and that has been the basis of my hope to complete > # this project soon. Well that and on of these. > # http://www.radesignsproducts.com/Baja.html > # > # Although if my understanding is correct I will have to include a switch for > # the torque converter lockout so it will end up more like this. > # http://www.northernautoparts.com/Images/Uploaded/Hurst/Hurst_3162001.jpg > # > # There are also a number of great OM617 swap write ups out there from pirate > # 4x4 to NAXJA forums and they were pretty complete but all used AX-15s. > # > # > # Living in an apartment makes for little ability to work on anything > # mechanical so until I can get some garage space and tools the project is on > # hold. Well that and finish the other projects I've been working on lately. > # > # Oh and here is today's lesson: > # Never punch a super hero as hard as you can > # http://www.seattlepi.com/local/komo/article/Kid-in-cast-after-punching-superh ero-Phoenix-3634602.php > # > # > # On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:54 PM, john wrote: > # > # > as far as the OM617 in your XJ have you looked at: > # > > # > http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/aboutus.asp > # > http://www.mercedesdiesel4x4.com/category_s/1817.htm > # > > # > just saw this: > # > A-MB206 Adapter Kit > # > Our Price: $380.00 > # > > # > OM617 to AW4 Jeep Cherokee Automatic transmission Adapter Kit > # > > # > I had asked them about an adapter for an AW4... they said they'd started > # > working on a YJ w/ an AT, > # > thought it might have been a 904. But now I see this... sweet... > # > > # > > # > there are many other issues about the liberty other than it's ugliness... > # > IFS... mercedes style > # > window controls... wiring flaws (sounds german (or british) to me... > # > limited cargo, less than wonderful handling... etc. > # > > # > there is also an oilpan kit you can buy... have to send in your old one... > # > > # > I think I still have an AW4 with some of my other stuff with SuperDawg... > # > but they're cheap in boneyards... $150 for > # > the last one I bought... I have a custom adapter with my stuff... 2.72 > # > gears in the White J10 might work ok > # > with the OM617 with an AW4... > # > > # > glad you made this comment Travis... :) > # > > # > john > # > > # > ----- > # > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > # > -o|||||o- john-at- http://wagoneers.com TRSTGZS > # > Snohomish, Washington - where Jeeps and Diesels don't rust, they mold > # > buy direct: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > # > Theodore Roosevelt (American 26th US President (1901-09), 1858-1919) > # > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > > # > On Thu, 14 Jun 2012, Travis Barnard wrote: > # > > # > # I'm still committed to putting my 83' OM617 in my XJ. It's only a > # > matter of > # > # getting a good space to work and putting the money together to do it. I > # > # have soo many projects on my plate right now that it seems I will never > # > get > # > # to it. However this summer I'm going to learn to weld while at toorcamp > # > so > # > # that will be productive. > # > # > # > # I looked at the Liberty and don't like the way the look. Also I tried > # > # finding just an engine from one and they are a bit out of my price > # > range. > # > > # > # > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:15:03 +0000 From: Richard Welty Subject: fsj: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. 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