From owner-fsj-digest@digest.net Tue Aug 14 18:55:00 2012 From: fsj-digest To: fsj-digest@digest.net Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 01:54:49 +0000 Subject: fsj-digest V1 #3955 fsj-digest Wednesday, August 15 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3955 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Re: [VW-TDI] OT: 2014 Jeep Diesel fsj: alternator 83 J10 Re: fsj: Coolant choice RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 Re: fsj: alternator 83 J10 RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 fsj: obd bluetooth reader? Re: fsj: alternator 83 J10 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 23:41:20 -0500 From: Landon Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: Re: [VW-TDI] OT: 2014 Jeep Diesel Maybe it will look like this when it's done ---- new Gladiator?? http://www.windingroad.com/articles/news/rumors-industry-reportjeep- gladiator-pickup-for-2015/ - - Landon /////////////// On Aug 9, 2012, at 5:00 PM, john wrote: > I like that they're using VM Motori... makes my '05 KJ CRD 2.8L > relevant... > guess when these come down in price will replace my TDI with one... :) > > that means I have to make my '02 last at least another 5 to 6 > years... :) > john > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, > they mold > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi? > zo=283461 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college > education" > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: > TRSTGZS > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Dragonelli wrote: > > # Get the drool towel ready... > # > # http://www.carprousa.com/grand-cherokee-diesel-coming-in-2014- > car-pro-news > # > # ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:06:07 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: alternator 83 J10 I pulled the 2-pin plug from the side of the alternator... ign off - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) - no voltage on brown sense wire ign on - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) - less than battery voltage on brown sense wire Will examine the schematics, take a picture of them and post tomorrow. john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 00:10:54 -0700 From: Michel Balea Subject: Re: fsj: Coolant choice It (the 74) is running a lot cooler, at idle in the driveway, it is barely in the green zone. Of course our weather is barely 60ish. Before it was in the 1/3. Basically it is where is was 15 years ago.... I'll post pict of the water color later, need to find the adapter. So I decided to do the woody (85) it took only 3 buckets vs. 7 to obtain a clear liquid out of the radiator, but I had a hard time to keep the temp in the green, it was running in the cold even by lowering the flushing flow rate, so it is at about 1/3 vs. 1/2. The temp gauges do not indicate the same mark, but this is 195F when using the infrared thermometer for the 85, I forgot to check the 74... sorry too many FSJ.... The panty hose is a good idea... does it resist 212F? Michel On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Tesar Landon-R16884 wrote: > Michel, is it running cooler ? > > - L > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michel Balea [mailto:michelbalea@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 4:22 PM > To: Jim Blair > Cc: Tesar Landon-R16884; fsj-digest@digest.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Coolant choice > > Good point on the magnet. I have some old speaker somewhere! Ideally a coolant filter bypass should be better. > > It took 7 x 5 gal bucket to get clear liquid out of the cooling system in 15min, using the reverse flush system with the garden hose, from prestone $4.00. So it is pretty fast. > > I drained the tap water and added distilled water with may be 20% prestone. I know that the distilled water is not recommended,because of its acidity but the coolant has a buffer compound... so that will cover it, until I get some reverse osmosis water, or later when the coolant turns rusty. > Michel > > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Jim Blair wrote: >> You could add a magnet to catch the rust too. >> >>> From: r16884@freescale.com >>> To: carnuck@hotmail.com; michelbalea@gmail.com; fsj-digest@digest.net >>> Subject: RE: fsj: Coolant choice >>> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:25:15 +0000 >>> >>> I did a flush/fill with only 3 drain and refill. Apparently not enough. >> Will do it again and put in a 180 thermostat. >>> >>> - Landon >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-fsj@digest.net [mailto:owner-fsj@digest.net] On Behalf Of >>> Jim >> Blair >>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 7:34 PM >>> To: michelbalea@gmail.com; fsj-digest@digest.net >>> Subject: RE: fsj: Coolant choice >>> >>> Green is correct. >>> >>> > Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 16:09:11 -0700 >>> > Subject: fsj: Coolant choice >>> > From: michelbalea@gmail.com >>> > To: fsj-digest@digest.net >>> > >>> > After cleaning the cooling system w the "neglected" prestone flush... >>> > I am still getting a lot of "rusty" colored water after 5 drain and >>> > refill.... Astonishingly, it is now barely running in the green at >>> > idle for 20min.... like it was 20 years ago. >>> > >>> > I will try now the continous flushing kit (garden hose connector >>> > near the heater core and overflow connector over the radiator tank) >>> > to run water in the system and overflow the waste in a big bucket >>> > while the engine is running. >>> > >>> > What coolant do you recommend, the same of green prestone or the >>> > long life zerex g05 which is supposedly a mercedes copy that has >>> > been recommended on other sites -not FSJ- >>> > >>> > Otherwise any rust inhibitor for the short term use until winter? >>> > >>> > Michel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 07:58:52 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 Sounds correct. Problem is either the alt or wiring at the ammeter. > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:06:07 -0700 > From: john@wagoneers.com > To: fsj@digest.net > Subject: fsj: alternator 83 J10 > > I pulled the 2-pin plug from the side of the alternator... > > ign off - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) > - no voltage on brown sense wire > > ign on - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) > - less than battery voltage on brown sense wire > > Will examine the schematics, take a picture of them and post tomorrow. > > john > > > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:03:52 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 why would wiring at the amp gauge cause it to over charge? Going to pick up an alternator tonight... ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 14 Aug 2012, Jim Blair wrote: # Sounds correct. Problem is either the alt or wiring at the ammeter. # # > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:06:07 -0700 # > From: john@wagoneers.com # > To: fsj@digest.net # > Subject: fsj: alternator 83 J10 # > # > I pulled the 2-pin plug from the side of the alternator... # > # > ign off - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) # > - no voltage on brown sense wire # > # > ign on - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) # > - less than battery voltage on brown sense wire # > # > Will examine the schematics, take a picture of them and post tomorrow. # > # > john # > # > # > # > ----- # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college # education" # > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS # > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 Corrosion on the terminal (almost always the annode side) of the ammeter causes a resistance which makes the internal regulator think the battery is still low, so the alt pumps out more to make up for it, OR more power is going through the shunt (because the resistance isn't allowing power the normal way) and that is tricking the needle of the meter (my thoughts after looking at some just before they Car-B-Qued) > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:03:52 -0700 > From: john@wagoneers.com > To: carnuck@hotmail.com > CC: fsj@digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 > > why would wiring at the amp gauge cause it to over charge? > > Going to pick up an alternator tonight... > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 14 Aug 2012, Jim Blair wrote: > > # Sounds correct. Problem is either the alt or wiring at the ammeter. > # > # > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:06:07 -0700 > # > From: john@wagoneers.com > # > To: fsj@digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: alternator 83 J10 > # > > # > I pulled the 2-pin plug from the side of the alternator... > # > > # > ign off - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) > # > - no voltage on brown sense wire > # > > # > ign on - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) > # > - less than battery voltage on brown sense wire > # > > # > Will examine the schematics, take a picture of them and post tomorrow. > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college > # education" > # > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > # > > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:47:45 +0000 From: john@wagoneers.com Subject: Re: fsj: alternator 83 J10 No corrosion on this truck, but there was a missing wire in the original harness that the PO changed around. There is a new alternator, so it's clear that the original harness was a problem and it looks like it took out the new alternator. Heading to pep boys for a new one. __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Blair Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:34:43 To: Cc: Subject: RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 Corrosion on the terminal (almost always the annode side) of the ammeter causes a resistance which makes the internal regulator think the battery is still low, so the alt pumps out more to make up for it, OR more power is going through the shunt (because the resistance isn't allowing power the normal way) and that is tricking the needle of the meter (my thoughts after looking at some just before they Car-B-Qued) > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:03:52 -0700 > From: john@wagoneers.com > To: carnuck@hotmail.com > CC: fsj@digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 > > why would wiring at the amp gauge cause it to over charge? > > Going to pick up an alternator tonight... > > ----- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 14 Aug 2012, Jim Blair wrote: > > # Sounds correct. Problem is either the alt or wiring at the ammeter. > # > # > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:06:07 -0700 > # > From: john@wagoneers.com > # > To: fsj@digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: alternator 83 J10 > # > > # > I pulled the 2-pin plug from the side of the alternator... > # > > # > ign off - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) > # > - no voltage on brown sense wire > # > > # > ign on - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) > # > - less than battery voltage on brown sense wire > # > > # > Will examine the schematics, take a picture of them and post tomorrow. > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college > # education" > # > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > # > > # ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:50:27 -0700 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 No corrosion anywhere else in my truck, but that galvanic stuff on the ammeter. Subject: Re: fsj: alternator 83 J10 To: carnuck@hotmail.com CC: fsj@digest.net From: john@wagoneers.com Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:47:45 +0000 No corrosion on this truck, but there was a missing wire in the original harness that the PO changed around. There is a new alternator, so it's clear that the original harness was a problem and it looks like it took out the new alternator. Heading to pep boys for a new one. __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__From: Jim Blair Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:34:43 -0700To: Cc: Subject: RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 Corrosion on the terminal (almost always the annode side) of the ammeter causes a resistance which makes the internal regulator think the battery is still low, so the alt pumps out more to make up for it, OR more power is going through the shunt (because the resistance isn't allowing power the normal way) and that is tricking the needle of the meter (my thoughts after looking at some just before they Car-B-Qued) > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:03:52 -0700 > From: john@wagoneers.com > To: carnuck@hotmail.com > CC: fsj@digest.net > Subject: RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 > > why would wiring at the amp gauge cause it to over charge? > > Going to pick up an alternator tonight... > > ----- > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, 14 Aug 2012, Jim Blair wrote: > > # Sounds correct. Problem is either the alt or wiring at the ammeter. > # > # > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:06:07 -0700 > # > From: john@wagoneers.com > # > To: fsj@digest.net > # > Subject: fsj: alternator 83 J10 > # > > # > I pulled the 2-pin plug from the side of the alternator... > # > > # > ign off - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) > # > - no voltage on brown sense wire > # > > # > ign on - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) > # > - less than battery voltage on brown sense wire > # > > # > Will examine the schematics, take a picture of them and post tomorrow. > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college > # education" > # > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > # > > # - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 16:56:00 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: fsj: obd bluetooth reader? has anyone tried on of these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/280839675403?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 01:54:26 +0000 From: john@wagoneers.com Subject: Re: fsj: alternator 83 J10 I've only had one incident involving smoke with an FSJ, or any rig actually... Was back around 1990, was heading up I-405 just past the infamous Renton S-curves and heading down the Kennydale hill in heavy rush hour traffic, traffic that strangely enough was actually rolling along at close to the legal limit in the hammer lane when all of a sudden smoke started rolling out from under the dash and the 67 Wagoneer lost all engine power, lost power steering and of course the power brakes... No shoulder to the left, near bumper to bumper traffic, managed to get moved over two lanes to the right and on to the shoulder, just barely stopping before the shoulder went away for a narrow section of the freeway heading into Factoria... Shut it off, grabbed a fire extinguisher and popped the hood expecting the worst. But there wasn't anything on fire, any more... Started looking around and found that the wire coming off of the ignition coil heading back to the firewall for the tachometer had no insulation, just blackened copper... Went back inside and looked at the wire under the dash, same thing. So I disconnected the wire, or what was left of it, from the coil, and cut all the wires going to the tach on the steering column. Turned the key, all indications of normal showed up, engaged the starter and happiness ensued, other than the smell of burnt wire and plastic. Drove home without any more trouble. Postmortem on the tach revealed that a component inside shorted and caused the tach signal off the coil to go straight to ground, killing the engine and frying the, thankfully, very light gauge wire. Had that been a heavier gauge wire than the 24awg used the tach itself might have started smoking. Minor issue that didn't seem so minor in process. Can understand the danger if that had been a more serious fire and what might have happened had I not gotten through traffic to the shoulder. I likely would have been on the evening news. :). That was my first Jeep, the salmon colored 67... Some called it pink, some called it tomato soup colored. Super Ken's 67 Super Wagonner is the same color. ;) Well, a couple more tasks and alternator swapping time. :) __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ - -----Original Message----- From: Terry Halmshaw Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 11:02:03 To: john Subject: Re: fsj: alternator 83 J10 Fail safes are a good idea on any amp meter, although you'll find with the Japanese cars this isn't necessary as they are not made from the same materials, connectors are steel and terminals are brass stemmed with copper washers, this is on the early Jap cars that I have owned anyway, only ever had one FSJ that caused me any issue with the amp meter and that truck caught fire, but not because of the amp meter. At 02:51 AM 15/08/2012, you wrote: >yeah... every now and then he goes a little over the top... ;) > >I figured out why my amp gauge started working again... I used fusible link >to make the bypass... had some laying around... when I make a mod like this >I generally include a failsafe... :) > > > > ----- >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" >Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >On Wed, 15 Aug 2012, Terry Halmshaw wrote: > > # Wow Jim gets his teeth into something he's like a bull terrier LOL > # > # At 01:47 AM 15/08/2012, you wrote: > # > No corrosion on this truck, but there was a missing wire in the original > # > harness that the PO changed around. There is a new alternator, so it's > # > clear that the original harness was a problem and it looks > like it took out > # > the new alternator. Heading to pep boys for a new one. > # > __john_at_http://wagoneers.com__ > # > > # > -----Original Message----- > # > From: Jim Blair > # > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:34:43 > # > To: > # > Cc: > # > Subject: RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 > # > > # > Corrosion on the terminal (almost always the annode side) of the ammeter > # > causes a resistance which makes the internal regulator think > the battery is > # > still low, so the alt pumps out more to make up for it, OR more power is > # > going through the shunt (because the resistance isn't allowing power the > # > normal way) and that is tricking the needle of the meter (my > thoughts after > # > looking at some just before they Car-B-Qued) > # > > # > > Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 08:03:52 -0700 > # > > From: john@wagoneers.com > # > > To: carnuck@hotmail.com > # > > CC: fsj@digest.net > # > > Subject: RE: fsj: alternator 83 J10 > # > > > # > > why would wiring at the amp gauge cause it to over charge? > # > > > # > > Going to pick up an alternator tonight... > # > > > # > > ----- > # > > > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation > # > > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they > # > mold > # > > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > > > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college > # > education" > # > > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), > 1858-1919) RTM: TRSTGZS > # > > > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > > # > > On Tue, 14 Aug 2012, Jim Blair wrote: > # > > > # > > # Sounds correct. Problem is either the alt or wiring at the ammeter. > # > > # > # > > # > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 22:06:07 -0700 > # > > # > From: john@wagoneers.com > # > > # > To: fsj@digest.net > # > > # > Subject: fsj: alternator 83 J10 > # > > # > > # > > # > I pulled the 2-pin plug from the side of the alternator... > # > > # > > # > > # > ign off - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) > # > > # > - no voltage on brown sense wire > # > > # > > # > > # > ign on - battery voltage at red wire (power to alternator) > # > > # > - less than battery voltage on brown sense wire > # > > # > > # > > # > Will examine the schematics, take a picture of them and post > # > tomorrow. > # > > # > > # > > # > john > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > > # > ----- > # > > # > > # > > # > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a > GNU generation > # > > # > http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, > # > they mold > # > > # > ...shop AMSOIL directly at: > # > http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 > # > > # > > # > > # > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college > # > > # education" > # > > # > Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTM: > # > TRSTGZS > # > > # > > # > > # > # > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > # > > # > # > > # > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > # > signature database 7384 (20120814) __________ > # > > # > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > # > > # > http://www.eset.com > # > # > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 7385 (20120814) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3955 **************************