From owner-fsj-digest@digest.net Sun Dec 2 20:35:16 2012 From: fsj-digest To: fsj-digest@digest.net Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 04:34:41 +0000 Subject: fsj-digest V1 #3993 fsj-digest Monday, December 3 2012 Volume 01 : Number 3993 Forum for Discussion of Full Sized SJ Series Jeeps Brian Colucci Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 RE: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 RE: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 FSJ Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/jeeps/fsj/ Send submissions to fsj-digest@digest.net Send administrative requests to fsj-digest-request@digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to fsj-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:50:38 -0600 From: Landon Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 Thanks, all, I found that the black wire to the e-brake is 12V hot, and activating the e-brake allows it to ground, completing the circuit. I had actually grounded that wire through a ground I hooked up for some instrument lights - Doh! Brakes are good, Light is out. Inspection done. Legal for another year. Getting ready for the 4.0 to replace the 258. Will go for a serpentine setup with the Cherokee power steering. We'll see how that goes. Got a small pattern water pump(new) and a pulley from a 97 Grand Cherokee to drive the fan, and a compressor from a 97 Cherokee that will make a heavy and expensive idler pulley. - - Landon //////// On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > Some need pressing of the button and some need the pin to be pulled > out with a > bent fork or something. Tom has the 2 different FSJ kinds posted on > http://oljeeps.com > > Jim Blair > > >> To: fsj@digest.net >> From: ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net >> Subject: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 >> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:18:20 -0600 >> >> Hi all, >> >> I replaced the brake hoses on the J10, starting with the rear before >> doing the fronts...after replacing the rear hose, the brake light is >> set on from the combination valve. >> >> Now have done the front hoses and it's time to get the light off. It >> is not coming off by itself, took it to Meineke and they bled the >> brakes and it is still on. Yes at one point the front reservoir was >> out of fluid in front, and I did bleed that reservoir of the master >> cylinder. >> >> I have observed while bleeding the front brakes that the piston moves >> forward as the fluid moves through, but then it returns to the rear. >> >> I have read that if the pressures are equal between front and rear, >> this should solve the problem. >> I have read that if you slightly open the front bleeders, the piston >> can be forced forward and kept there by closing the bleeders, maybe >> holding the pin with pliers as it moves forward? >> Any suggested techniques here...? Thanks. >> >> Landon Tesar >> ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net Landon Tesar ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:55:58 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 you have safety inspections???? we have emissions on vehicles '86 and newer... my '83 J10 is exempt... it couldn't pass a safety inspection, but it's legal... :) john ----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -o|||||o- Linux: the choice of a GNU generation http://WAGONEERS.COM Snohomish, WA- where Jeeps don't rust, they mold ...shop AMSOIL directly at: http://AMSOIL.com/redirect.cgi?zo=283461 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education" Theodore Roosevelt (26th President (1901-09), 1858-1919) RTB&TRSTGZS - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sat, 1 Dec 2012, Landon Tesar wrote: # Thanks, all, # # I found that the black wire to the e-brake is 12V hot, and activating # the e-brake allows it to ground, completing the circuit. # # I had actually grounded that wire through a ground I hooked up for # some instrument lights - Doh! # # Brakes are good, Light is out. Inspection done. Legal for another # year. # # Getting ready for the 4.0 to replace the 258. Will go for a # serpentine setup with the Cherokee power steering. We'll see how # that goes. # # Got a small pattern water pump(new) and a pulley from a 97 Grand # Cherokee to drive the fan, and a compressor from a 97 Cherokee that # will make a heavy and expensive idler pulley. # # - Landon # //////// # On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Jim Blair wrote: # # > Some need pressing of the button and some need the pin to be pulled # > out with a # > bent fork or something. Tom has the 2 different FSJ kinds posted on # > http://oljeeps.com # > # > Jim Blair # > # > # >> To: fsj@digest.net # >> From: ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net # >> Subject: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 # >> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:18:20 -0600 # >> # >> Hi all, # >> # >> I replaced the brake hoses on the J10, starting with the rear before # >> doing the fronts...after replacing the rear hose, the brake light is # >> set on from the combination valve. # >> # >> Now have done the front hoses and it's time to get the light off. It # >> is not coming off by itself, took it to Meineke and they bled the # >> brakes and it is still on. Yes at one point the front reservoir was # >> out of fluid in front, and I did bleed that reservoir of the master # >> cylinder. # >> # >> I have observed while bleeding the front brakes that the piston moves # >> forward as the fluid moves through, but then it returns to the rear. # >> # >> I have read that if the pressures are equal between front and rear, # >> this should solve the problem. # >> I have read that if you slightly open the front bleeders, the piston # >> can be forced forward and kept there by closing the bleeders, maybe # >> holding the pin with pliers as it moves forward? # >> Any suggested techniques here...? Thanks. # >> # >> Landon Tesar # >> ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net # # Landon Tesar # ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net # ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 09:03:13 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 Did you grab the GC fan? You'll need it. As for the AC compressor, unless you plan onboard air, you can get a bypass idler from Napa for about $40 last I checked. Bolts in place of the AC compressor. What year accessories are you going with? Jim Blair > CC: fsj@digest.net > From: ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:50:38 -0600 > To: carnuck@hotmail.com > > Thanks, all, > > I found that the black wire to the e-brake is 12V hot, and activating > the e-brake allows it to ground, completing the circuit. > > I had actually grounded that wire through a ground I hooked up for > some instrument lights - Doh! > > Brakes are good, Light is out. Inspection done. Legal for another > year. > > Getting ready for the 4.0 to replace the 258. Will go for a > serpentine setup with the Cherokee power steering. We'll see how > that goes. > > Got a small pattern water pump(new) and a pulley from a 97 Grand > Cherokee to drive the fan, and a compressor from a 97 Cherokee that > will make a heavy and expensive idler pulley. > > - Landon > //////// > On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > > > Some need pressing of the button and some need the pin to be pulled > > out with a > > bent fork or something. Tom has the 2 different FSJ kinds posted on > > http://oljeeps.com > > > > Jim Blair > > > > > >> To: fsj@digest.net > >> From: ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net > >> Subject: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 > >> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:18:20 -0600 > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I replaced the brake hoses on the J10, starting with the rear before > >> doing the fronts...after replacing the rear hose, the brake light is > >> set on from the combination valve. > >> > >> Now have done the front hoses and it's time to get the light off. It > >> is not coming off by itself, took it to Meineke and they bled the > >> brakes and it is still on. Yes at one point the front reservoir was > >> out of fluid in front, and I did bleed that reservoir of the master > >> cylinder. > >> > >> I have observed while bleeding the front brakes that the piston moves > >> forward as the fluid moves through, but then it returns to the rear. > >> > >> I have read that if the pressures are equal between front and rear, > >> this should solve the problem. > >> I have read that if you slightly open the front bleeders, the piston > >> can be forced forward and kept there by closing the bleeders, maybe > >> holding the pin with pliers as it moves forward? > >> Any suggested techniques here...? Thanks. > >> > >> Landon Tesar > >> ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net > > Landon Tesar > ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 16:23:49 -0500 From: Bob Brooks Subject: Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 They used the same type combination valve on Gen 1 Dodge pickups and Ramchargers. They are a pain in the ass to bleed!!! On the 85 Dodge the pin gets pulled out to bleed the system. Bob On 11/30/2012 9:25 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > Some need pressing of the button and some need the pin to be pulled out with a > bent fork or something. Tom has the 2 different FSJ kinds posted on > http://oljeeps.com > > Jim Blair > > >> To: fsj@digest.net >> From: ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net >> Subject: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 >> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:18:20 -0600 >> >> Hi all, >> >> I replaced the brake hoses on the J10, starting with the rear before >> doing the fronts...after replacing the rear hose, the brake light is >> set on from the combination valve. >> >> Now have done the front hoses and it's time to get the light off. It >> is not coming off by itself, took it to Meineke and they bled the >> brakes and it is still on. Yes at one point the front reservoir was >> out of fluid in front, and I did bleed that reservoir of the master >> cylinder. >> >> I have observed while bleeding the front brakes that the piston moves >> forward as the fluid moves through, but then it returns to the rear. >> >> I have read that if the pressures are equal between front and rear, >> this should solve the problem. >> I have read that if you slightly open the front bleeders, the piston >> can be forced forward and kept there by closing the bleeders, maybe >> holding the pin with pliers as it moves forward? >> Any suggested techniques here...? Thanks. >> >> Landon Tesar >> ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net - -- Bob Brooks rbrooks@hvc.rr.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:51:59 -0600 From: Landon Tesar Subject: Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 I did not grab the GC fan, (didn't see it), thought I would use the setup from the 258 which is a flex fan and an extension...why would I need the GC fan? (I have the Cherokee fan but it's too small. The bypass idler would save weight and a few bucks, thanks for the suggestion. Trying to use as much as possible from the 98 Cherokee, though going with a carb and 81 aluminum intake manifold, but the yard has a pristine OBD II fuel injection setup. I need the computer and the wiring and someone who knows what they're doing to help hook it up. - - Landon ///////// On Dec 2, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > Did you grab the GC fan? You'll need it. As for the AC compressor, > unless you > plan onboard air, you can get a bypass idler from Napa for about > $40 last I > checked. Bolts in place of the AC compressor. What year accessories > are you > going with? > > Jim Blair > > >> CC: fsj@digest.net >> From: ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net >> Subject: Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 >> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:50:38 -0600 >> To: carnuck@hotmail.com >> >> Thanks, all, >> >> I found that the black wire to the e-brake is 12V hot, and activating >> the e-brake allows it to ground, completing the circuit. >> >> I had actually grounded that wire through a ground I hooked up for >> some instrument lights - Doh! >> >> Brakes are good, Light is out. Inspection done. Legal for another >> year. >> >> Getting ready for the 4.0 to replace the 258. Will go for a >> serpentine setup with the Cherokee power steering. We'll see how >> that goes. >> >> Got a small pattern water pump(new) and a pulley from a 97 Grand >> Cherokee to drive the fan, and a compressor from a 97 Cherokee that >> will make a heavy and expensive idler pulley. >> >> - Landon >> //////// >> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Jim Blair wrote: >> >>> Some need pressing of the button and some need the pin to be pulled >>> out with a >>> bent fork or something. Tom has the 2 different FSJ kinds posted on >>> http://oljeeps.com >>> >>> Jim Blair >>> >>> >>>> To: fsj@digest.net >>>> From: ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net >>>> Subject: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:18:20 -0600 >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I replaced the brake hoses on the J10, starting with the rear >>>> before >>>> doing the fronts...after replacing the rear hose, the brake >>>> light is >>>> set on from the combination valve. >>>> >>>> Now have done the front hoses and it's time to get the light >>>> off. It >>>> is not coming off by itself, took it to Meineke and they bled the >>>> brakes and it is still on. Yes at one point the front reservoir >>>> was >>>> out of fluid in front, and I did bleed that reservoir of the master >>>> cylinder. >>>> >>>> I have observed while bleeding the front brakes that the piston >>>> moves >>>> forward as the fluid moves through, but then it returns to the >>>> rear. >>>> >>>> I have read that if the pressures are equal between front and rear, >>>> this should solve the problem. >>>> I have read that if you slightly open the front bleeders, the >>>> piston >>>> can be forced forward and kept there by closing the bleeders, maybe >>>> holding the pin with pliers as it moves forward? >>>> Any suggested techniques here...? Thanks. >>>> >>>> Landon Tesar >>>> ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net >> >> Landon Tesar >> ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net Landon Tesar ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 20:34:09 -0800 From: Jim Blair Subject: RE: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 Unless your 258 had serpentine belt, it's the wrong rotation fan. Rev it and it'll push air and possibly shred the blades. > CC: fsj@digest.net > From: ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 17:51:59 -0600 > To: carnuck@hotmail.com > > I did not grab the GC fan, (didn't see it), thought I would use the > setup from the 258 which is a flex fan and an extension...why would I > need the GC fan? (I have the Cherokee fan but it's too small. > The bypass idler would save weight and a few bucks, thanks for the > suggestion. > Trying to use as much as possible from the 98 Cherokee, though going > with a carb and 81 aluminum intake manifold, but the yard has a > pristine OBD II fuel injection setup. I need the computer and the > wiring and someone who knows what they're doing to help hook it up. > > - Landon > ///////// > On Dec 2, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > > > Did you grab the GC fan? You'll need it. As for the AC compressor, > > unless you > > plan onboard air, you can get a bypass idler from Napa for about > > $40 last I > > checked. Bolts in place of the AC compressor. What year accessories > > are you > > going with? > > > > Jim Blair > > > > > >> CC: fsj@digest.net > >> From: ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net > >> Subject: Re: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 > >> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 20:50:38 -0600 > >> To: carnuck@hotmail.com > >> > >> Thanks, all, > >> > >> I found that the black wire to the e-brake is 12V hot, and activating > >> the e-brake allows it to ground, completing the circuit. > >> > >> I had actually grounded that wire through a ground I hooked up for > >> some instrument lights - Doh! > >> > >> Brakes are good, Light is out. Inspection done. Legal for another > >> year. > >> > >> Getting ready for the 4.0 to replace the 258. Will go for a > >> serpentine setup with the Cherokee power steering. We'll see how > >> that goes. > >> > >> Got a small pattern water pump(new) and a pulley from a 97 Grand > >> Cherokee to drive the fan, and a compressor from a 97 Cherokee that > >> will make a heavy and expensive idler pulley. > >> > >> - Landon > >> //////// > >> On Nov 30, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Jim Blair wrote: > >> > >>> Some need pressing of the button and some need the pin to be pulled > >>> out with a > >>> bent fork or something. Tom has the 2 different FSJ kinds posted on > >>> http://oljeeps.com > >>> > >>> Jim Blair > >>> > >>> > >>>> To: fsj@digest.net > >>>> From: ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net > >>>> Subject: fsj: Combination valve, 79 J10 > >>>> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:18:20 -0600 > >>>> > >>>> Hi all, > >>>> > >>>> I replaced the brake hoses on the J10, starting with the rear > >>>> before > >>>> doing the fronts...after replacing the rear hose, the brake > >>>> light is > >>>> set on from the combination valve. > >>>> > >>>> Now have done the front hoses and it's time to get the light > >>>> off. It > >>>> is not coming off by itself, took it to Meineke and they bled the > >>>> brakes and it is still on. Yes at one point the front reservoir > >>>> was > >>>> out of fluid in front, and I did bleed that reservoir of the master > >>>> cylinder. > >>>> > >>>> I have observed while bleeding the front brakes that the piston > >>>> moves > >>>> forward as the fluid moves through, but then it returns to the > >>>> rear. > >>>> > >>>> I have read that if the pressures are equal between front and rear, > >>>> this should solve the problem. > >>>> I have read that if you slightly open the front bleeders, the > >>>> piston > >>>> can be forced forward and kept there by closing the bleeders, maybe > >>>> holding the pin with pliers as it moves forward? > >>>> Any suggested techniques here...? Thanks. > >>>> > >>>> Landon Tesar > >>>> ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net > >> > >> Landon Tesar > >> ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net > > Landon Tesar > ltesar3421@sbcglobal.net ------------------------------ End of fsj-digest V1 #3993 **************************