From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #13 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, August 18 1998 Volume 01 : Number 013 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: valve cover gasket, '80 240D testing jeff to matt - number 5 Re: jeff to matt - number 5 Re: jeff to matt - number 5 RE: jeff to matt - number 5 administrivia: free web hosting for FAQ pages RE: jeff to matt - number 5 administrivia: new conceptions about digest.net Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:57:42 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: valve cover gasket, '80 240D Jeff responded with a good answer, I resent it to the list, he had some slashes in the message that might have been perceived by majordumbo as an escape sequence... we'll see if my message bounces too... all I did was add spaces near the slashes. john At 02:57 AM 8/17/98 -0400, Matthew J. Mason wrote: >hello... > >I have the new gasket in my possession and would dearly like to lower my >car's oil consumption... (btw, i'm still taking suggestions for her name... >thank you to those who have contributed). > >What is a fair price for the seemingly minor procedure of removing the >valve cover, junking the old gasket, reseating the new one and screwing it >down again? i'd do it myself, were it not for all the throttle mechanics >and injector stuff in the way... Will this alone lower my oil consumption >(about 1 qt. per 400 mi. right now - i keep a case in the trunk), or should >i have them do anything else while they're in there? > >And the bottom line.... what's a good bottom line? How much should i lay >out, reasonably? TIA -- matt > > --------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/ Snohomish, Washington USA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------------ jesus - don't leave life without him... - ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:04:33 -0700 From: john Subject: testing I'm on bounce on number 4 for jeff to matt message. gonna send it next. testing one two three.... john --------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------------------------------------------------------ the just shall live by faith... mas el justo vivira por fe... der gerechte wird aus glauben leben... ho de dikaios ek pisteos zesetai... ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:08:40 -0700 From: john Subject: jeff to matt - number 5 I've severely damaged this message to try and get it through, sorry Jeff... :) john >>Matt wrote >> >>> I have the new gasket in my possession and would dearly like to lower my >>> car's oil consumption... ...SNIP... >> >>Matt, >> >>You should be able to get the valve cover off without touching the injection >>lines at all. You will need to remove the throttle linkages by popping the >>ball and socket joints and then remove the plates from the top of the >valve cover with the 2 or 4 bolts ( depending on whether you have the vacuum >>modulator for the transmission up there ) that are there. You should be very >>careful to clean the valve cover itself and around the valve cover before >>removing the valve cover. You don't want to get unnecessary dirt in the >>head while removing OR replacing the valve cover. >>Unfortunately for you, high oil consumption can be a caused by a variety of >>things. One of the more common things is a torn diaphragm in the vacuum >>pump. If your pump is the same as on my 1977, it has two lines, one which >>exhausts directly into the air filter cover, so if the diaphragm is torn, >>oil will get pumped through the line into the air cleaner. If you look >>under the air cleaner, it will be obvious ( because of the big oil mess ) that >>there is a problem. If the pump is like my 1982 ( a better design ) the vacuum >>pump will not be the problem ( one line setup , no exhaust line going to the air >>filter cover). >>If your engine is old.... ( I'm talking about a minimum of 150K or 200K >>miles), you're probably losing oil through the breather that goes from the >>top of the valve cover into the intake manifold. The reason for this is >>excessive pressure inside the crankcase due to blow-by causing oil vapor to >>be forced into the intake manifold. Blow-by happens when the rings are worn >>enough to let a lot of compression get by the piston into the crankcase. >>This blow-by builds up pressure and oil will be forced out of a variety of >>places in the crankcase, such as the front and rear main oil seals, the >>valve cover gasket, the breather on top of the valve gasket, a torn vacuum >>pump diaphragm. Those are the common places I've seen from my experience >>with many MB diesels, there are probably more. If this is the case then I >>would just live with the problem unless you wanna dish out DOLLARS to buy a >>replacement engine or have major work done to the existing engine. >> >>I think that's enough spewing for now.... Contact me if you need to know >>more. >> >>Jeff >> >>Jeff - Laura - Ashley Domogala >>Windham, New Hampshire > --------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/ Snohomish, Washington USA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------------ jesus - don't leave life without him... - ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 08:10:45 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: jeff to matt - number 5 I'm not sure if the Amperand or the three dollar signs or the slashes or the email sign caused the message to bounce. anyways, the bulk of the message is there... john At 08:08 AM 8/17/98 -0700, john wrote: >I've severely damaged this message to try and get it through, >sorry Jeff... :) > >john > >>>Matt wrote >>> >>>> I have the new gasket in my possession >and would dearly like to lower my >>>> car's oil consumption... ...SNIP... >>> >>>Matt, >>> >>>You should be able to get the valve cover off without touching > the injection >>>lines at all. You will need to remove the throttle linkages >by popping the >>>ball and socket joints and then remove the plates > from the top of the >>valve cover with the 2 or 4 bolts ( >depending on whether you have the vacuum >>>modulator for the transmission up there ) that are there. >You should be very >>>careful to clean the valve cover itself and around > the valve cover before >>>removing the valve cover. You don't want >to get unnecessary dirt in the >>>head while removing OR replacing the valve cover. >>>Unfortunately for you, high oil consumption can >be a caused by a variety of >>>things. One of the more common things is a torn >diaphragm in the vacuum >>>pump. If your pump is the same as on my 1977, >it has two lines, one which >>>exhausts directly into the air filter cover, >so if the diaphragm is torn, >>>oil will get pumped through the line into >the air cleaner. If you look >>>under the air cleaner, it will be obvious >( because of the big oil mess ) that >>>there is a problem. If the pump is >like my 1982 ( a better design ) >the vacuum >>>pump will not be the problem ( one line >setup , no exhaust line going to the air >>>filter cover). >>>If your engine is old.... ( I'm talking > about a minimum of 150K or 200K >>>miles), you're probably losing oil through > the breather that goes from the >>>top of the valve cover into the intake manifold. > The reason for this is >>>excessive pressure inside the crankcase due >to blow-by causing oil vapor to >>>be forced into the intake manifold. Blow-by >happens when the rings are worn >>>enough to let a lot of compression get by >the piston into the crankcase. >>>This blow-by builds up pressure and oil will >be forced out of a variety of >>>places in the crankcase, such as the front and >rear main oil seals, the >>>valve cover gasket, the breather on top of >the valve gasket, a torn vacuum >>>pump diaphragm. Those are the common >places I've seen from my experience >>>with many MB diesels, there are probably more. >If this is the case then I >>>would just live with the problem unless you >wanna dish out DOLLARS to buy a >>>replacement engine or have major work done >to the existing engine. >>> >>>I think that's enough spewing for now.... >Contact me if you need to know >>>more. >>> >>>Jeff >>> >>>Jeff - Laura - Ashley Domogala >>>Windham, New Hampshire >> > --------------------------------------------------------------- > john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/ > Snohomish, Washington USA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold... >------------------------------------------------------------------ > jesus - don't leave life without him... >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > --------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/ Snohomish, Washington USA - where jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------------------ jesus - don't leave life without him... - ----------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:17:43 -0400 From: Richard Welty Subject: Re: jeff to matt - number 5 At 08:10 AM 8/17/98 -0700, you wrote: >I'm not sure if the Amperand or the three dollar signs or >the slashes or the email sign caused the message to bounce. three $ signs is currently blocked. it doesn't mean the posting won't go out, but it will be delayed. richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:13:13 -0700 From: "Meister, John" Subject: RE: jeff to matt - number 5 I realized coming in to work that it was the three dollar signs, thanx for confirming that... :) john john meister sr CAD sys admin, Intermec meister-at-intermec.com (425) 356.1663 http://www.intermec.com ( http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john john-at-virtual-cafe.com ) > ---------- > From: Richard Welty[SMTP:rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com] > Sent: Monday, August 17, 1998 8:17 AM > To: john > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: jeff to matt - number 5 > > At 08:10 AM 8/17/98 -0700, you wrote: > > >I'm not sure if the Amperand or the three dollar signs or > >the slashes or the email sign caused the message to bounce. > > three $ signs is currently blocked. it doesn't mean the posting won't > go > out, but it will be delayed. > > richard > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:17:17 -0400 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: free web hosting for FAQ pages it has been my informal policy for some time to give out free web space for FAQs relevant to lists hosted here. in fact, i just let the author of the w123d site (mercedes diesels from the late 70s/early 80s) know that he could put his site under digest.net if he wanted to, to accompany the diesel-benz list, Colin Verrilli's 164 FAQ has been on the server for a while, Knute Ream is looking at putting the BMW FAQ there, and a Triumph Stag FAQ is in progress right this very minute... i thought it'd be good to make a general announcement to this effect, just in case there were any other FAQs seeking homes. richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:19:12 -0400 From: Richard Welty Subject: RE: jeff to matt - number 5 At 09:13 AM 8/17/98 -0700, Meister, John wrote: >I realized coming in to work that it was the three dollar signs, >thanx for confirming that... :) i just turned that off, actually. it was catching far more member postings than spam, and with the new restrict_post policy on the two lists that were most victimized by spam, it seemed less essential. if the restrict_post initiative works out, then it may be installed on the other lists. it does present some administrative issues, but we shall see. richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:27:06 -0400 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: new conceptions about digest.net John Meister, who put me up to setting up the fsj, xj, and diesel-benz lists on digest.net, floated an idea past me the other day. it's not a new one, it's what off-road.com has sort of been up to. off-road.com hosts the precursors to the fsj and xj lists on this server (but that's a story for another day and time.) they also provide for some sense of "community" amongst their visitors/list members, etc. we have a lot of that, but the idea is to expand on it. the idea is to devote some web space to list member pages about their cars, or their car hobby, or their car related hobby. the ftp product i'm using permits ftp only accounts; web space can be allocated in small quantities (2-3Mbytes) on the request of a list member. the pages would fall in suitable locations under www.digest.net, for example, http://www.digest.net/bmw/fred-barney/ for Fred Barney's bmw pages. i could also (and perhaps this would be better) set up http://members.digest.net/bmw/fred-barney/ and group pages for list members that way. there are about 700Mbytes free on the /web partition right now; i have 2.6G "squirrelled away for later" which could be cleared out in short order if i wanted to make it available for this usage. these would be free pages (no email or shell account); the premise would be that on demonstration of a large and active community with good page impression rates, we might pull in some good advertising to help cover the costs of running the server. the pages would also be restricted in content to cars, obviously, and to reasonable taste. any thoughts from anyone on this? cheers, richard ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #13 ********************************