From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #22 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Friday, September 11 1998 Volume 01 : Number 022 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: krusty & legal issues: part 2 Re: Bulbs and Fiber Optic Cables Re: krusty & legal issues: part 2 ML320 Off-Road??? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:49:24 -0400 From: root Subject: krusty & legal issues: part 2 none of what follows is intended as threats to shut down the lists, or posturing, etc., but simply some thought about the implications of the digests, the way that they are currently run, and issues about litigation in our modern american society, such as it is. i have spent some time tonight pondering the legal issues presented by running these mailing lists as a hobby, through Krusty Motorsports, which is a hobby business, after all. since i exercise minimal editorial control over the digests, mostly trying to dampen down spam, flames, and other inappropriate or irrelevant postings, i am actually probably covered under the sections of the CDA that weren't struck down by the supreme court. wizvax, our host ISP, has successfully defended themselves in the recent past when litigation minded persons chose to take offense at articles posted from wizvax, using the aforemention sections of the CDA. the problem is the cost of such defense. wizvax spent some $2500 defending themselves in a recent case in Virginia. they were successful in that defense, but the fact remains that the defense cost a bit. since wizvax is a small but functional ISP, $2500 to defend their bread and butter business is a price they are prepared to pay -- not happily, but they did pay it in order to stay in business. krusty & digest.net, on the other hand, are a "hobby gone insane", as i put it on the IHC Digest a couple of weeks ago. krusty is simply a DBA, affording no real legal protection for my personal assets. this recent legal threat concerns me greatly as my house, property, etc., are directly at risk. i cannot walk away; i will do what is necessary to defend myself. however, if the cost of running the lists comes to, say, $2500 a year to defend against gratuitous lawsuits, then that is too high a price to pay for a "hobby gone insane" -- and the lists will have to go. the letter i have received demands a retraction and an apology. i do not, in my judgement, owe any retraction or apology; i will simply defend myself, and expect to win. the implications of having to defend myself, however, are quite broad. this is a remarkably unpleasant situation. sigh, richard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 19:44:34 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: Bulbs and Fiber Optic Cables cool, thanx for the info, I'll let you know how it comes out... it'll be at least a few days. john At 11:58 PM 9/5/98 -0500, Mukesh Kumar wrote: >Hi John, >Sometimes back I had asked you if you had located the light source for the >fiber optic cables. Lately my dash lights started acting up so I decided to >investigate (AND I struck gold). >What I will describe is for a 1977 240 D. >Remove the stereo completely out of the compartment (mine is not the >factory, so I am not sure if there is to be another cover behind, I did not >have a cover behind my stereo). >Remove the knobs (heater, fan blower and A/C, all these had small bulbs >behind them. There are large nuts holding the plastic to the knobs, unscrew >and remove these). >Remove the Rear defroster and Rear light switch from the panel which houses >the A/C switch. I have seen some cars with Sun roof and power antenna >switches. I do not have these so I am not sure if they need be taken off. In >my case the lights in the two switches were powered by fiber optic cables. >Carefully remove these by pulling them out. Haynes manual has this part of >removing the switches. >If you see from the gear shift looking up towards the slots from where you >have removed these switches, you will find one screw on each side (holding >the plastic to the interior of the console). >Remove these (CAUTION: Use magnetic tip Phillip Heads, I lost both the >screws as they fell in the dark recess of the interior, I am not even sure >if they were magnetic but better be careful) >Now you can pull the plastic housing for the A/C It pulls down and out. >(CAREFUL (1) there is a light bulb attached behind this plastic panel, so >pull the bulb out with one hand while supporting the plastic panel. >(2) do not stick anything sharp here (there are quite a few vacuum hoses >that can be easily sliced). > >Remove the plastic housing which holds the Fan and the heater switch. >This should provide a very clear picture of the interior of the console. >If you look inside with the headlights ON you will see a light bulb inside a >socket that has six (I am quite sure it was six) appendages sticking out >(black in color and about 1 cm long). In my car it was on the left side just >hanging there!!! (Headlights ON help in locating this). This is the source >of the fiber optic cable and these six appendages connect to the fiber optic >cables. (In my case there were only three cables and the others were capped >off with black rubber caps). >In my car this light source was burning bright (but two of the cables were >pulled out. I pushed the cables in the holes in the six prong appendages). >There was light in the other end of the cable. >Next I replaced all burnt bulbs and put everything back (except the two >screws from behind the A/C panel, which I lost). >Headlights on, Bingo THERE WAS A WELL LIGHT BRIGHT CONSOLE). >Hope this description helps in solving your problem. >Mukesh Kumar >1977 240 D >1979 450 SEL. > > > - ---------------------------------------------- | john-at-virtual-cafe.com | | http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john | | jesus - don't leave life without him... | - ---------------------------------------------- | Diesel Benz, Full Size Jeeps and xj's... | | found on http://www.digest.net | - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 23:15:59 -0600 From: JC Jones Subject: Re: krusty & legal issues: part 2 >From what I have heard about membership on digest.net it would seem that if the legal costs of keeping these lists alive would be around $2500.00/yr, if everyone here sent $1.00 that would fill the legal fund. Just an observation, JC Jones :) root wrote: > > none of what follows is intended as threats to shut down the lists, or > posturing, etc., but simply some thought about the implications of the > digests, the way that they are currently run, and issues about litigation > in our modern american society, such as it is. i have spent some time > tonight pondering the legal issues presented by running these mailing lists > as a hobby, through Krusty Motorsports, which is a hobby business, after all. > > since i exercise minimal editorial control over the digests, mostly trying > to dampen down spam, flames, and other inappropriate or irrelevant postings, > i am actually probably covered under the sections of the CDA that weren't > struck down by the supreme court. wizvax, our host ISP, has successfully > defended themselves in the recent past when litigation minded persons chose > to take offense at articles posted from wizvax, using the aforemention > sections of the CDA. > > the problem is the cost of such defense. wizvax spent some $2500 defending > themselves in a recent case in Virginia. they were successful in that > defense, but the fact remains that the defense cost a bit. since wizvax is > a small but functional ISP, $2500 to defend their bread and butter business > is a price they are prepared to pay -- not happily, but they did pay it in > order to stay in business. > > krusty & digest.net, on the other hand, are a "hobby gone insane", as i put > it on the IHC Digest a couple of weeks ago. krusty is simply a DBA, affording > no real legal protection for my personal assets. this recent legal threat > concerns me greatly as my house, property, etc., are directly at risk. > i cannot walk away; i will do what is necessary to defend myself. however, > if the cost of running the lists comes to, say, $2500 a year to defend > against gratuitous lawsuits, then that is too high a price to pay for a > "hobby gone insane" -- and the lists will have to go. > > the letter i have received demands a retraction and an apology. i do not, > in my judgement, owe any retraction or apology; i will simply defend myself, > and expect to win. the implications of having to defend myself, however, > are quite broad. this is a remarkably unpleasant situation. > > sigh, > richard - -- ************************************************************* * ____________ * * _|____________|_____________ * * //-------------||-----||----\\ * * // || || \\ * * //_______________||_____||______\\____________ * * | | * * | JC Jones | | * * | ______ jcjones-at-natech-inc.com ______ | | * * _| / ____ \ ICQ# 2857320 / ____ \ |_| * * [____/ / \ \_______________________/ / \ \____] * * | <> | | <> | * * \____/ \____/ * ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:28:50 -0700 From: john Subject: ML320 Off-Road??? I've got a couple of Jeeps and an 81 300D and have been looking at the M series. I'm really curious how well they would do off road. They just don't seem to have the right kind of clearance underneath for the trails in the Pacific Northwest. Is there anyone up in Western Washington that has one that would be willing to go wheeling down at Evans Creek with me so I could see how well it does? My favorite trail is the 198. I just went up there with two other Cherokees last weekend, one of them had open axles and only 2 inches of "lift", basically spacers, and 235/75r 15 tires, so for the most part it was stock. There's only one point on the trail that I had to give the guy a little tug in a deeply rutted section. My xj has a 2 inch Old Man Emu lift and I'm running 30x9.5's, I have TAD's in both axles. My tires are only .5 inches larger and I made it through without problems. The other xj had open axles and 4.5 inches of lift, and 32 inch tires, again, no problems. I've found this trail to be a good testing ground and would love to see how the MB M series would do. It's a tight trail and I highly recommend bringing someone who knows how to spot. I'll be happy to take the lead and provide a gentle tug if you get hung up. And of course if I get stuck, you can give me a yank back so I can make another run at it. :) Even if the M series has trouble, they're still an awesome rig. Hoping that they put a Diesel in it though... :) Any Saturday would be good with me, preferably before the rains start again, otherwise the trail will be much more difficult because of mud. There are other trails we can check out, if that one is too far south. ttyl, john ------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com - http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------------------------------------------------- http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/MBZ-DSL/diesel-benz-list.html (81 300D) http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/JEEP/FSJ-list.html (81 J10) http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/JEEP/XJ-list.html (88 xj wagoneer) ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #22 ********************************