From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #26 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Sunday, September 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 026 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: Intermittent non-starting diesel Re: Intermittent non-starting diesel Re: door locks Re: Intermittent non-starting diesel Re: door locks I'm gonna do it! classic lines... Re: Intermittent non-starting diesel Re: Intermittent non-starting diesel Re: I'm gonna do it! Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 12:59:55 -0700 From: "Meister, John" Subject: RE: Intermittent non-starting diesel I've experienced this with a 5.7L Diesel. They (GM) used a solendid to allow fuel to the injection pump. It turned out to be a loose connection. Once started it ran. Our 300d's use a vacuum shutoff setup. My guess is it's related to the shutoff mechanism not resetting itself. The overall starting circuitry is simple and of course they'll start without glowplugs. Elements to make it go: Fuel - injection pump fuel solenoid/valve however??? Starter - just needs to turn over Glow plugs - an option that makes starting easier, but not required ignition switch starter wiring - the ignition switch connections may be loose... that's it. john john meister sr CAD sys admin, Intermec meister-at-intermec.com (425) 356.1663 http://www.intermec.com ( http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john john-at-virtual-cafe.com ) > ---------- > From: gmbeasley-at-mindspring.com[SMTP:gmbeasley-at-mindspring.com] > Reply To: gmbeasley-at-mindspringl.com > Sent: Friday, September 18, 1998 8:52 AM > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Intermittent non-starting diesel > > > I have an '82 300 D which has an intermittent non-starting > problem. It happened the first month I got it and it was because > it wasn't charging the battery and the battery went dead. Solved > that problem. That was in 1994 > > Now I have a non-starting problem again. It happens only when > the car is well warmed up, and I stop and try to go again very > shortly afterwards. At first I thought it was due to the car > phone being plugged in. It's not. I get no sound at all, only a > click. My husband thought I was turning the key too far. I'm > not. > > July 5, 1998, drove from Baltimore to Annapolis. Stopped in > Annapolis for about 10-15 minutes. When I came out, the car > would only click - wouldn't start. Walked to a pay phone, bought > a lunch sandwich and walked back - still wouldn't start. When my > husband got there that evening, it started fine. > > The next incident was August 4th. In between these two incidents > I made at least 35 trips of various lengths. On August 4th, I > drove from Baltimore to Washington DC, and stopped to make a > phone call. Again the car would not start. Two hours later when > I came back, it started fine. I drove home, shut it off and > tried to start it again. It wouldn't start. I tried it about 5 > minutes later and it started fine. > > This last incident was yesterday Sept 17th. In between this > incident and the last one I made at least 45 trips or trip > segments ranging from 1 mile to 180 miles, and stopping various > lengths of time between segments. This time I drove from Laurel > MD to Linthicum MD (about 18 miles) and stopped to get a paper > and when I got back in the car - nothing. Since I was only 2 > miles from home, I called my husband. By the time I got back to > the car after the call it would start. I drove home, and met him > coming to get me. > > After I shut it off, I tried it and it was dead. My husband > tested the battery and it was fine. The attachments to the > battery were fine and current was flowing. He tried it with his > key. No dice. We tried it in neutral. No dice. After a little > while, it started again. > > I don't think it can be a ground, because the car is sitting > still in between times. The first apt I could get was on Mon the > 28th. I'd like to have something to tell him by then. I just > don't know what it is. > > grandma Rosalie > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 15:57 +100 From: cupkake-at-pacbell.net Subject: Re: Intermittent non-starting diesel My thought is ground. I had a problem like that in a Nondiesel car. It turned out that there was corrosion INSIDE the ground wire, so even though I cou;d clean the corrosion off the ground at the terminal, I couldn't remove the corrosion inside the wire, between the wire and the rubber sheath. Hey, can't hurt to spend 6 bucks to eliminate this from your problems. Bill Wachsmuth 1962 190Dc 1972 220D 1966 Mustang 1992 Jetta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:49:40 -0400 From: "Paul A. Shelton" Subject: Re: door locks > John Meister wrote: > I'm giving some thought to installing an electric lock kit I have, can even > add remote controllers > to it. I used one on a Jeep once and they worked great. > John, My 240D central locking was leaking throughout the system. When the leaks become bad enough they will interfere with the vacuum cutoff - and your car will run and run.... I had the locking system plugged up and now manually operate the locks. Well worth the inconvenience. Paul Shelton '78 240D Panzer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:56:30 -0400 From: "Paul A. Shelton" Subject: Re: Intermittent non-starting diesel Grandma Rosalie, your intermittent non-starting problem sounds like an electrical problem with the starter circuit. Try to locate the "click" you get when the car is acting up - that will help isolate the problem. The problem only surfaces when the engine is hot due to reduced flow of electrical current through heated components. I've experienced a similar problem with other non-MB cars. The problem was the starter solenoid on my car - easily fixed by replacement. Solenoids for W123's are priced almost as high as complete starters around here - perhaps best to get the whole thing replaced if that is what it is. Ciao, Paul Shelton ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 20:48:30 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: door locks yep, mine doesn't shut right off... but the question is, is the vacuum system worth fixing, or should I just install the aftermarket electric door lock kit I have? Richard had his fixed, I wonder if he remembers what it cost to fix... john At 07:49 PM 9/18/98 -0400, Paul A. Shelton wrote: >> John Meister wrote: >> I'm giving some thought to installing an electric lock kit I have, can even >> add remote controllers >> to it. I used one on a Jeep once and they worked great. >> >John, My 240D central locking was leaking throughout the system. When >the leaks become bad enough they will interfere with the vacuum cutoff - >and your car will run and run.... I had the locking system plugged up >and now manually operate the locks. Well worth the inconvenience. >Paul Shelton >'78 240D Panzer > > - ---------------------------------------------- | john-at-virtual-cafe.com | | http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john | | jesus - don't leave life without him... | - ---------------------------------------------- | Diesel Benz, Full Size Jeeps and xj's... | | found on http://www.digest.net | - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:24:23 -0700 From: john meister Subject: I'm gonna do it! I'm getting my own domain and website. My isp made me a deal I couldn't pass up. My hardware will be with his equipment. :) Any ideas on a domain name? My site is mult-dimensional, so one name is gonna be hard. It encompasses full size jeeps, xj's, diesel benz, UNIX, the Bible and a hodge podge of other stuff... I'll be quizzing the internic database all weekend... :) So, I'm putting out the call for "reader's rigs". Since I'm working on a book I'd like to have actual photos that I can scan in, a little bit of a write up about the rig (you can email it too to save me typing... :) and yourself, and maybe a note that gives me permission to use the info, just in case. :) Please send it to: John Meister 14809 State Route 9 SE Snohomish, WA 98296 ------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com - http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------------------------------------------------- http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ (81 300D) http://www.digest.net/jeep/ (88 xj wagoneer & 81 J10) ------------------------------------------------- jesus, don't leave life without him... ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 01:45:35 -0700 From: john meister Subject: classic lines... I happened to catch the sun just right... http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/MBZ-DSL/star-sun.jpg and of course, I had to play with the image... :) http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/MBZ-DSL/star-back.jpg http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/MBZ-DSL/mb-star.jpg john - ---------------------------------------------- | john-at-virtual-cafe.com | | http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john | | jesus - don't leave life without him... | - ---------------------------------------------- | Diesel Benz, Full Size Jeeps and xj's... | | found on http://www.digest.net | - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:25:08 GMT From: beasley-at-mindspring.com (grandma Rosalie (R. Beasley)) Subject: Re: Intermittent non-starting diesel On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:56:30 -0400, you wrote: >Grandma Rosalie, your intermittent non-starting problem sounds like an >electrical problem with the starter circuit. Try to locate the "click" >you get when the car is acting up - that will help isolate the problem.=20 >The problem only surfaces when the engine is hot due to reduced flow of >electrical current through heated components. I've experienced a >similar problem with other non-MB cars. The problem was the starter >solenoid on my car - easily fixed by replacement. Solenoids for W123's >are priced almost as high as complete starters around here - perhaps >best to get the whole thing replaced if that is what it is. >Ciao, Paul Shelton When the car doesn't start, we hear the 'click' and Bob thinks that is the relay. The battery is fine, and when the click occurs there is a voltage drop (at least I think that is what he said) so that shows that the relay itself is working. Bob thinks that something is binding when the car is hot so that the starter doesn't turn. grandma Rosalie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:39:33 -0700 From: john meister Subject: Re: Intermittent non-starting diesel the the diagnosis of the starter makes much more sense. the bendix in the starter motor won't release. it's the little mechanism inside the engages the gear to the flywheel. if it binds up all you hear is a click. if the battery is weak you'll also hear a click. the acid test, so to speak, is to turn on the lights and then turn the start switch. If it clicks and the lights stay bright that means the bendix isn't engaging. If it clicks and the lights go really, really dim, it may be the battery or a ground connection. so the guy that suggested the starter is most likely correct in this case... john At 09:25 AM 9/19/98 GMT, grandma Rosalie (R. Beasley) wrote: >On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 19:56:30 -0400, you wrote: > >>Grandma Rosalie, your intermittent non-starting problem sounds like an >>electrical problem with the starter circuit. Try to locate the "click" >>you get when the car is acting up - that will help isolate the problem. >>The problem only surfaces when the engine is hot due to reduced flow of >>electrical current through heated components. I've experienced a >>similar problem with other non-MB cars. The problem was the starter >>solenoid on my car - easily fixed by replacement. Solenoids for W123's >>are priced almost as high as complete starters around here - perhaps >>best to get the whole thing replaced if that is what it is. >>Ciao, Paul Shelton > >When the car doesn't start, we hear the 'click' and Bob thinks >that is the relay. The battery is fine, and when the click >occurs there is a voltage drop (at least I think that is what he >said) so that shows that the relay itself is working. Bob thinks >that something is binding when the car is hot so that the starter >doesn't turn. > >grandma Rosalie > > - ---------------------------------------------- | john-at-virtual-cafe.com | | http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john | | jesus - don't leave life without him... | - ---------------------------------------------- | Diesel Benz, Full Size Jeeps and xj's... | | found on http://www.digest.net | - ---------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 23:56:03 -0400 From: cosmic.ray-at-juno.com (Raymond C Drouillard) Subject: Re: I'm gonna do it! Does that mean that you want my Holley Pro-Jection pictures? How about some screen shots of the software? Actually, I could send you the software and some data acquisition tables from real runs and let you do what you want with them. Domain names... lesee... AbundantLife.net Hmmm... Nothing else comes to me, but I'll let you know if I think of anything. Ray Drouillard On Fri, 18 Sep 1998 21:24:23 -0700 john meister writes: >I'm getting my own domain and website. My isp made me a deal >I couldn't pass up. My hardware will be with his equipment. :) > >Any ideas on a domain name? My site is mult-dimensional, so >one name is gonna be hard. It encompasses full size jeeps, >xj's, diesel benz, UNIX, the Bible and a hodge podge of other >stuff... I'll be quizzing the internic database all weekend... :) > >So, I'm putting out the call for "reader's rigs". Since I'm >working on a book I'd like to have actual photos that I can >scan in, a little bit of a write up about the rig (you can email >it too to save me typing... :) and yourself, and maybe a note >that gives me permission to use the info, just in case. :) > >Please send it to: >John Meister >14809 State Route 9 SE >Snohomish, WA 98296 > ------------------------------------------------- > john-at-virtual-cafe.com - http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > > ------------------------------------------------- > http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ (81 300D) > http://www.digest.net/jeep/ (88 xj wagoneer & 81 J10) > ------------------------------------------------- > jesus, don't leave life without him... > ------------------------------------------------- > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. 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