From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #67 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Sunday, January 3 1999 Volume 01 : Number 067 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: Diesel MPG, the table, coming to a web page soon... Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG Re: Diesel MPG, the table, coming to a web page soon... Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG Re: Mercedes-Benz MPG updated MPG Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG some thoughts on my 240D Re: some thoughts on my 240D Re: mpg Fuel leak Re: Fuel leak Re: Fuel leak Re: Fuel leak Re: Fuel leak Re: Fuel leak Re: Fuel leak update MPG page Re: 8.5 seconds 0 to 60mph! Re: Fuel leak Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 06:48:34 -0800 From: Ruth Ann & Bill Subject: Re: Diesel MPG, the table, coming to a web page soon... Oho!! We have hit upon something! We need 2 more qualifiers Manual or Auto and IF auto, do they shift manually or let the automatic do the shifting. Both of mine are manual, and thank goodness! After experiencing how the Hydrak Clutch can kill the spirit of a gas engine, I'd hate to drive a 190Dc or 220/240D with one! bill - -- We don't have web pages, but our cars do! Beauty: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/190dc62.htm Gretel: http://www.trail.com/~scottf/auto.html Norton I: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/220d-71.htm Otto Potts: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/220d-72.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:18:35 -0600 From: "Archie J. Cleckler" Subject: Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG Hi All. I am a certified, poverty stricken, old car nut and just bought my first MB on 12/8/98. I finally found and joined this list yesterday. My Benz is a '77 240D. It came with all the original stuff (manuals, flyers, tool kit, and even a sales brochure.) I am in love! MB needs a couple rear quarter wrinkles rolled out, a touch of re chroming on the rear bumper, the vacuum system reconnected, and a couple of miner electrical problems fixed, but I feel like royalty driving this car. On the I.S., it will go faster than the factory stated 83 mph., so you know I'm lead footed. I have added my average data to the bottom of the list. This is only one month's average in the mountains of N.E. Alabama. I am now looking forward to being silent for a while and learning all I can from you guys. Thanks for being here Archie in Snead Al., U.S.A. - ------------------------------------- 1977 Mb 240D - 197,000 miles 1979 Ford F250 4X4 - 183,000 miles 1988 Ford Festiva - 208,000 miles 1991 Nissan P.U. Hardbody - 137,000 miles 1992 Ford Aerostar Van - 227,000 miles Total Investment -- Enough to by Two RR'S I expect. - -------------------------------------- Let's give this thing about a week or so and I'll convert it to HTML, If ya can, add your line at the bottom and pass it along. :) john http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz MPG YR Model worst avg best miles State/Country first name body -------------------------------------------------------------------- 62 190Dc 30+ California Bill 110 68 220D mid20s 150K Washington john 115 75 240D 18 20 23 218K Washington john 115 79 300CD 20 26 30 100K New York Mike 123 79? 300SD 18 26 29 Canada steve 116 81 300D 18 25 27 130K Washington john 123 82 300SD 24 139K New York chris 126 84 300SD 22 California bob 126 84 300SD 26 California doug 126 77 240D 29 197K Alabama Archie 123 an imperial gallon is 1.2009 US gallons (didn't convert steve's info) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 10:08:08 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG At 11:18 AM 1/2/99 -0600, Archie J. Cleckler wrote: >Hi All. I am a certified, poverty stricken, old car nut and just bought >my first MB on 12/8/98. I finally found and joined this list >yesterday. My Benz is a '77 240D. It came with all the original stuff >(manuals, flyers, tool kit, and even a sales brochure.) >I am in love! MB needs a couple rear quarter wrinkles rolled out, a >touch of re chroming on the rear bumper, the vacuum system reconnected, >and a couple of miner electrical problems fixed, but I feel like royalty >driving this car. On the I.S., it will go faster than the factory >stated 83 mph., so you know I'm lead footed. congrats. There are two vehicles I've owned that are addictive: Mercedes Benz and Jeep... (especially the full size jeeps) john - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com 81 J10 / 81 300D / 88 wagoneer limited (xj) http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/john/Vehicle-History.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 10:13:23 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Diesel MPG, the table, coming to a web page soon... At 08:37 AM 1/2/99 -0600, Jon Filina wrote: >The mpg readings for the 220 & 240 D's look low. Are they automatic >transmissions or just lead feet? My '81 has the 4 speed and my foot is >heavy only when I dance... >......This is further proof that John has a lead foot... ;-) >Jon Filina >81 240D Mathilde yep. the 220D was old and tired, barely ran, didn't have it long. the 240d was suffering from low compression... (and a lead foot... :) I sold an 81 vw diesel pu to a guy, saying I'd pay to have it tuned since I was only getting 35mpg... So he took it for a day first and drove a tank in traffic, up and down hills and so on... he got 45mpg. I had a 79 Olds Diesel, sold it to a friend, best mpg I ever got was 19mpg, my buddy got 26mpg, in town. I need to lighten up, eh? :) john - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com 81 J10 / 81 300D / 88 wagoneer limited (xj) http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/john/Vehicle-History.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:26:04 -0600 (CST) From: "M. Mason" Subject: Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG I'm sure this is an unnecessary heads-up, John, but did you know Impco publishes an aftermarket catalog for Jeeps too? order it online at their site, www.performanceproducts.com _____________________________ Matthew J. Mason mmason-at-blue.weeg.uiowa.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:50:23 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG yep, have it. nothing as good as the 123 catalog though... :) I've got a great discount at the local jeep dealer... and access to a major parts distribution center in Seattle (they provide parts to dealers...) john At 12:26 PM 1/2/99 -0600, M. Mason wrote: > > >I'm sure this is an unnecessary heads-up, John, but did you know Impco >publishes an aftermarket catalog for Jeeps too? > >order it online at their site, www.performanceproducts.com >_____________________________ >Matthew J. Mason >mmason-at-blue.weeg.uiowa.edu > > - ---------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus - don't leave life without him... http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 11:45:53 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Mercedes-Benz MPG At 01:08 PM 1/2/99 +0100, Thomas John wrote: >Hello John, here's my line: >>> MPG >> YR Model worst avg best miles State/Country first name body >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 83 200D 23 27 30 154K Germany thomas 123 > >this is in US gallons, car is 4-speed manual, car is driven on motorways >most of the time at about 80 mph. > >the 200D was never sold in the US, its the absolute base model, mine has >60hp and goes like a rocket, but as you see the small engine is not >really more economic than the bigger ones. > >Many regards >Thomas Wie gehts Herr Thomas! Woher kommen sie aus Deutschland? :) Ich hat funf jahr im Deutschland bleiben, im Frankfurt am Main, und im Darmstadt (Weiterstadt und Messel). Ich hat at Cambrai Fritsch Kaserne und IG Farben Haus (Abrams) arbeiten. (Since it's been since 1981 my German is probably very, very bad... :) (and even back then I could always transmit faster than I could receive. :-) Seems like the Europeans get all the cool cars. Jeep exports a 2.5L Turbo Diesel in their Cherokee over there as well. It's an Italian engine. john ============================================================= The just shall live by Faith... Der Gerechte wird aus Glauben leben... Mas El Justo vivira Por Fe... Le Juste vivra par la foi... Habakkuk 2:4b, Romans 1:17, Galations 3:11, Hebrews 10:38 ============================================================= john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com/LivingByFaith/ ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 12:01:52 -0800 From: john Subject: updated MPG added the man trans, and about three entries... john ============================================================= The just shall live by Faith... Der Gerechte wird aus Glauben leben... Mas El Justo vivira Por Fe... Le Juste vivra par la foi... Habakkuk 2:4b, Romans 1:17, Galations 3:11, Hebrews 10:38 ============================================================= john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com/LivingByFaith/ ============================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 15:05:22 -0600 (CST) From: "M. Mason" Subject: Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG My '80 240D is a manual trans as well. I haven't checked the html version yet, but i assume we're all entering the info. _____________________________ Matthew J. Mason mmason-at-blue.weeg.uiowa.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 01:17:19 +0100 From: "Pieter Noorlander" Subject: Re: MPG, was Re: 300SD MPG The conversion from km's to miles and liters to gallons was killing me, have to find a quick conversion tool to understand what you US guys are talking about :), but here is mine - at the bottom, US gallons: >Let's give this thing about a week or so and I'll convert it to HTML, >If ya can, add your line at the bottom and pass it along. :) > >john > > http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz > > MPG > YR Model worst avg best miles State/Country first name body > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > 62 190Dc 30+ California Bill 110 > 68 220D mid20s 150K Washington john 115 > 75 240D 18 20 23 218K Washington john 115 > 79 300CD 20 26 30 100K New York Mike 123 > 79? 300SD 18 26 29 Canada steve 116 > 81 300D 18 25 27 130K Washington john 123 > 82 300SD 24 139K New York chris 126 > 84 300SD 22 California bob 126 > 84 300SD 26 California doug 126 > 77 240D 29 197K Alabama Archie 123 83 300TD 25 200K Nederland Pieter 123 This is in stop and go traffic, short trips. Only avg since I own the car only two months now and I'm not really a number freak. Furthermore it took me some weeks to get comfortable with the fuel consumption of this rig compared to my former car, a VW Golf (=Rabbit?) diesel (40 mpg) Pieter 83 300TD (Herman) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:31:11 EST From: NGreen9286-at-aol.com Subject: some thoughts on my 240D ok,i admit it, i took the really really long way home from work the other day just to see my odometer roll over to 290,000 mi (i circled most of ft.meade, instead of the 2-3 blocks of my normal commute!) so anyway, as i see all those zeros come int play, my first though is "wow, thats a lot of zeros!" and then,"wow,290K is a lot!" this had me dumbstruck and i wouldve ended up running off the road and wrapping myself around a tree or something, but i was stopped at a light, so thankfully, that didnt happen...when i recovered, i realized i was a few short months from hittin the big 300K, which brought up some questions... what kinda work should i anticipate for 300k? she runs strong (id say 70-80% of her mileage is highway miles) she seems strong, but i have nothing to compare it to. i imagine ill be having a compression test done around that time, should i anticipate having to replace rings? i dont know how old my timing chain is, but id like to get it replaced...should i do it now, or when i get whatever servicing done at 300k? i pulled the valve cover and eye-balled it- everything *appeared* to be in good condition, and it seemed to fit snug, but that was probably just the tensioner doing its job... anyway, anyone what i can expect? tia nick 81 240D 290000(!!!) mi (Briegh) 58 220S (Anne-Elise) there are three kinds of people in this world: those who can count and those who cant. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 18:34:30 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: some thoughts on my 240D first, doesn't Mercedes give out some sort of mileage award thing? second, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. :) If you're fuel economy drops, or you have trouble starting it, THEN start doing all that stuff... so, what kind of mileage does it get??? and is this the record for mileage?? john At 08:31 PM 1/2/99 EST, NGreen9286-at-aol.com wrote: >ok,i admit it, i took the really really long way home from work the other day >just to see my odometer roll over to 290,000 mi (i circled most of ft.meade, >instead of the 2-3 blocks of my normal commute!) so anyway, as i see all those >zeros come int play, my first though is "wow, thats a lot of zeros!" and >then,"wow,290K is a lot!" this had me dumbstruck and i wouldve ended up >running off the road and wrapping myself around a tree or something, but i was >stopped at a light, so thankfully, that didnt happen...when i recovered, i >realized i was a few short months from hittin the big 300K, which brought up >some questions... >what kinda work should i anticipate for 300k? she runs strong (id say 70-80% >of her mileage is highway miles) she seems strong, but i have nothing to >compare it to. >i imagine ill be having a compression test done around that time, should i >anticipate having to replace rings? >i dont know how old my timing chain is, but id like to get it >replaced...should i do it now, or when i get whatever servicing done at 300k? >i pulled the valve cover and eye-balled it- everything *appeared* to be in >good condition, and it seemed to fit snug, but that was probably just the >tensioner doing its job... >anyway, anyone what i can expect? >tia >nick > >81 240D 290000(!!!) mi (Briegh) >58 220S (Anne-Elise) > > > >there are three kinds of people in this world: those who can count >and those who cant. > > - ---------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus - don't leave life without him... http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 19:12:23 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: mpg At 04:25 PM 1/2/99 PST, Brian Molloy wrote: >1988 190d 181,000 miles 33 to 36 mpg Brian cool, I've heard about these rigs getting into the 40's!!! whereabouts are you? state is close enough, country if not US... btw, which body style is it too? john - ---------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus - don't leave life without him... http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 22:41:48 -0500 From: Chris Klass Subject: Fuel leak Yesterday I noticed that there was a little fuel around the glowplug of the piston closest to the grill. It seemed to be on the line leading to the plug, around the plug, and on the plug. It was not alot, but all the other plugs were dry. My wife drove the car for about 70 miles, and I looked at it this morning and it actually looked like there was less fuel then before. Any ideas? I am taking it in on Tues (to correct some things after the major service I just had). - -- Chris Klass New Jersey 82 300SD - 139k miles 84 Volvo 245 - 85k miles 98 Monster 750 - Just plain Magic ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:42:27 -0800 From: Ruth Ann & Bill Subject: Re: Fuel leak Replace your fuel return lines IMMEDIATELY. Eventually, you will be stranded. In is only about 6 dollars for a meter, which is enough to do all of the lines. It is not available at places like pep boys, though. If your car dies, this is because air is getting into the system. windshield washer hose will work temporarily, but I cannot stress enough to all of the diesel owners on this list how important this cheap piece of hose is to the proper running of your car. Okay, I'm off my soap box now. Bill - -- We don't have web pages, but our cars do! Beauty: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/190dc62.htm Gretel: http://www.trail.com/~scottf/auto.html Norton I: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/220d-71.htm Otto Potts: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/220d-72.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:40:02 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Fuel leak it's not the glowplug, it's the injector. More than likely it's the fuel return line that's leaking. Easy fix. Very common. john At 10:41 PM 1/2/99 -0500, Chris Klass wrote: >Yesterday I noticed that there was a little fuel around the glowplug of >the piston closest to the grill. It seemed to be on the line leading to >the plug, around the plug, and on the plug. It was not alot, but all >the other plugs were dry. My wife drove the car for about 70 miles, and >I looked at it this morning and it actually looked like there was less >fuel then before. > >Any ideas? I am taking it in on Tues (to correct some things after the >major service I just had). > >-- >Chris Klass >New Jersey >82 300SD - 139k miles >84 Volvo 245 - 85k miles >98 Monster 750 - Just plain Magic > > > - ---------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus - don't leave life without him... http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 00:27:41 -0500 From: Chris Klass Subject: Re: Fuel leak I said glowplug, didn't I? Your right, I meant injector. The leak seams to be from the hose with the braded sheath over it. john wrote: > it's not the glowplug, it's the injector. More than likely > it's the fuel return line that's leaking. Easy fix. Very common. > > john > > At 10:41 PM 1/2/99 -0500, Chris Klass wrote: > >Yesterday I noticed that there was a little fuel around the glowplug of > >the piston closest to the grill. It seemed to be on the line leading to > >the plug, around the plug, and on the plug. It was not alot, but all > >the other plugs were dry. My wife drove the car for about 70 miles, and > >I looked at it this morning and it actually looked like there was less > >fuel then before. > > > >Any ideas? I am taking it in on Tues (to correct some things after the > >major service I just had). > > > >-- > >Chris Klass > >New Jersey > >82 300SD - 139k miles > >84 Volvo 245 - 85k miles > >98 Monster 750 - Just plain Magic > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------- > john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com > Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > Jesus - don't leave life without him... > http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john > ---------------------------------------------------- - -- Chris Klass New Jersey 82 300SD - 139k miles 84 Volvo 245 - 85k miles 98 Monster 750 - Just plain Magic ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 21:47:29 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Fuel leak At 12:27 AM 1/3/99 -0500, Chris Klass wrote: >I said glowplug, didn't I? Your right, I meant injector. The leak seams to >be from the hose with the braded sheath over it. >john wrote: >> it's not the glowplug, it's the injector. More than likely >> it's the fuel return line that's leaking. Easy fix. Very common. >> yep, I've seen those rascals leak on just about every diesel I've ever owned, EXCEPT my GM Diesels... Forgot how they did the return thing... all I know is my 5.7L went to the great Diesel resting grounds with 230,000 miles on it and I never had to replace any return lines... If those lines are leaking it's possible for air to leak back into the system after you shut it down. Like Bill said, just do it... :) I used to carry them in my tool kit for my Jeep Turbo Diesel... Hey, that was a Bosch system too... I've got pictures of the injector holes and stuff like that I'm using in my Jeep book. I replaced a few of the injectors...had one go so bad that when I had my synthetic oil analyzed the Lab CALLED ME and told me to 1) replace my injector and 2) to change the gear lube that was in my crankcase, they said it wasn't 15W40 anymore, but something closer to 60 to 90 Weight... :) Don't know how Diesel fuel could make it thicker, but I didn't argue with them... :) john ------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com - http://www.wagoneers.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------------------------------------------------- http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/diesel-benz-list.html (81 300D) http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/JEEP/FSJ-list.html (81 J10) http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/JEEP/XJ-list.html (88 xj wagoneer) ------------------------------------------------- jesus, don't leave life without him... ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:30:16 -0600 (CST) From: "M. Mason" Subject: Re: Fuel leak Replace the lengths of leak hose on the injector corresponding to the wet glow plug with good (rubberized-fabric looking) leak hose. Actually, cheap and sensible to replace all leak hoses. You can sometimes get away with trimming a bit off the end of the hose and refitting it to the barb fitting on the injetor, but they never go on in quite the same way so it pays to just replace the leak hose. Impco's got the hose at 5.81 by the meter, and i haven't yet priced it at mercedes dealer. that's for next week... later -- mjm _____________________________ Matthew J. Mason mmason-at-blue.weeg.uiowa.edu "Life is crazy... like yellow fishes in the street." - John Mellencamp On Sat, 2 Jan 1999, Chris Klass wrote: > Yesterday I noticed that there was a little fuel around the glowplug of > the piston closest to the grill. It seemed to be on the line leading to > the plug, around the plug, and on the plug. It was not alot, but all > the other plugs were dry. My wife drove the car for about 70 miles, and > I looked at it this morning and it actually looked like there was less > fuel then before. > > Any ideas? I am taking it in on Tues (to correct some things after the > major service I just had). > > -- > Chris Klass > New Jersey > 82 300SD - 139k miles > 84 Volvo 245 - 85k miles > 98 Monster 750 - Just plain Magic > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:31:27 -0600 (CST) From: "M. Mason" Subject: Re: Fuel leak sorry to double your excellent advice, bill! didn't read my messages in advance... _____________________________ Matthew J. Mason mmason-at-blue.weeg.uiowa.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 22:07:14 -0800 From: john Subject: update MPG page please submit all the info... have a few holes to deal with... :) http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/Diesel-Benz-MPG.html Year MODEL worst mpg avg mpg best mpg MILES State/Country First name BODY (man trans) - ---------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus - don't leave life without him... http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 21:23:46 -0800 From: Richard Welty Subject: Re: 8.5 seconds 0 to 60mph! At 01:03 PM 12/31/98 -0800, john wrote: >At 02:53 PM 10/31/98 -0600, Jason Zolghadr wrote: >>At 12:15 AM 12/31/98 -0800, you wrote: >>>8.5 seconds!! 27mpg in town and 30 something on the highway! >>>I wish Jeep would put a Diesel in their rig, >ah yes, the AM part of AMC. :) >only problem is the hummer is too wide and a tad bit >unrefined for my tastes... :) >after having several full size leather lined Jeeps and >a few Mercedes autos I'm very spoiled. :) you wouldn't like my IHC Scout II, then. richard ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 08:08:23 -0800 From: Ruth Ann & Bill Subject: Re: Fuel leak M. Mason wrote: > sorry to double your excellent advice, bill! didn't read my messages in > advance... > > _____________________________ > Matthew J. Mason > mmason-at-blue.weeg.uiowa.edu No problem on doubling the advice. I know I sound like a nut, but this is the single least expensive thing you can do to improve how your Diesel runs. I bought a $200 basket case. The owner had tried for a year to get it to run after he had replaced the injectors. I stuck new fuel return line on, and started it. Also, if you do not replace the return line, it not only makes the car more difficult to start, but you can break down at speed. You are introducing air into the fuel system, which is at enormous pressure on these care. I think, like most people, I dislike the Mercedes dealers, but they serve their purpose when you need something quickly. Bill - -- We don't have web pages, but our cars do! Beauty: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/190dc62.htm Gretel: http://www.trail.com/~scottf/auto.html Norton I: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/220d-71.htm Otto Potts: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/220d-72.htm ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #67 ********************************