From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #69 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, January 5 1999 Volume 01 : Number 069 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Welty Fund: Let's get the ball rolling Re: Welty Fund: Alternatives... Welty Fund website european headlight covers 123 body Re: ProLong Re: ProLong Re: ProLong support your local list server... Re: update MPG page Re: Mercedes-Benz MPG headlight covers and manuals Welty fund Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 21:04:14 -0500 From: Alfa Romeo Search and Rescue Society Subject: Welty Fund: Let's get the ball rolling Preface for non Alfa Digest members. My name is Bill Harkell, a member of the Alfa Digest. In an attempt to show Richard some appreciation for the digests he runs, I suggested we start a voluntary fund to donate to Richard, since he seems to shy from commercial use of the digests for his own gain. It met with unanimous acceptance. I am in the process of opening a bank account for the purpose of centralizing any donations to the "The Welty Fund". As alternate list subscribers, you are invited to be a part of this drive. There is no expiration date. As they say, "come back often". As time permits I will put together some sort of basic info web page re: the fund. More info is below. Thank you... For all digesters :o) Ok, It's time to see who is a Friend Of Richard Welty :o) Oy! No guilt here! If you appreciate the (insert your digest here) Digest, send your donation check to : (US $ funds please. $10 minimum please) Welty Digest Fund c/o AlfaBill Harkell 13413 Forest Hills Dr. Tampa Florida USA 33612-3339 Monies will be made available to Mr. Welty for use at his sole discretion, as a showing of our appreciation for his efforts as Digest owner. Only expenses will be any possible fees related to the account and possibly a rubber stamp to deposit the checks. Keep those cards and Letters coming! :o) - -- ************************************************************* B i l l H a r k e l l Tampa Florida USA '91 Alfa 168B / '69 Alfa Spider Homepage: http://pw2.netcom.com/~alfabill/welcome.htm Alfa parts specials http://mastrosubaru.com/special.htm Alfa factory parts: http://mastrosubaru.com/parts.htm ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 19:35:45 -0700 From: Glenn Merrell Subject: Re: Welty Fund: Alternatives... Hello All, Great Idea, a Welty Digest Fund. I'm sure some folks will want assurances the money is going to Richard Welty though, like me. Might be best to write checks directly to Richard Welty if folks have any doubts, since the account seems to be in Florida and Richard is in Troy, New York maybe? Richard has asked for $$ to help fund the Krusty Motorsports server and digests before with $$ being sent directly to him, posting his address. I also recall he received the money he was looking for and the server problems were corected at that time. I for one would like to see how Richard gets money from an account in Florida before I send a contribution. In the mean time, I'll send a check off to him at Krusty Motorsports while the details of the account are forthcoming. I believe Richard will receive mail at: Krusty Motorsports c/o Richard Welty 350 Sixth Avenue Troy, NY 12182 USA 518-237-6307 with phone number to verify that he will get it if sent. Krusty's Web Page has the address at http://www.krusty-motorsports.com/ Richards's e-mail address is rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com Want to help maintain the mail list server in a way that gives back? Subscribe to have Krusty's server host your car's web page and e-mail. $10 a month, 10 megabytes of space. Details at http://www.krusty-motorsports.com/WebHosting.html This way the server is supported and hosts your car's web page too! For alternatives, since this account is just being set up and will be at a US bank, they should accept major charge cards for deposits into this account? That way, non-USA Digest users could contribute to the fund also. Just a thought, the more participants, the merrier. All it would take is a phone call, fax or letter to the bank referencing the account, amount to be deposited, and card holders number with expiration date. Regards, Glenn Merrell Triumph Stag Register USA VP ******************************************************************* *Member of: *VTR, RMTC, TSC USA, TSR, SOC ***************************************************************** Alfa Romeo Search and Rescue Society wrote: > > Preface for non Alfa Digest members. > > My name is Bill Harkell, a member of the Alfa Digest. > > In an attempt to show Richard some appreciation for the digests he > runs, I suggested we start a voluntary fund to donate to Richard, since > he seems to shy from commercial use of the digests for his own gain. It > met with unanimous acceptance. > > I am in the process of opening a bank account for the purpose of > centralizing any donations to the "The Welty Fund". > > As alternate list subscribers, you are invited to be a part of this > drive. There is no expiration date. As they say, "come back often". As > time permits I will put together some sort of basic info web page re: > the fund. More info is below. > > Thank you... > > For all digesters :o) > > Ok, It's time to see who is a Friend Of Richard Welty :o) Oy! No guilt > here! > > If you appreciate the (insert your digest here) Digest, send your > donation check to : > > (US $ funds please. $10 minimum please) > > Welty Digest Fund > c/o AlfaBill Harkell > 13413 Forest Hills Dr. > Tampa Florida USA 33612-3339 > > Monies will be made available to Mr. Welty for use at his sole > discretion, as a showing of our appreciation for his efforts as Digest > owner. > > Only expenses will be any possible fees related to the account and > possibly a rubber stamp to deposit the checks. > > Keep those cards and Letters coming! :o) > -- > > ************************************************************* > B i l l H a r k e l l > Tampa Florida USA > '91 Alfa 168B / '69 Alfa Spider > Homepage: http://pw2.netcom.com/~alfabill/welcome.htm > Alfa parts specials http://mastrosubaru.com/special.htm > Alfa factory parts: http://mastrosubaru.com/parts.htm > ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:14:53 -0500 From: Alfa Romeo Search and Rescue Society Subject: Welty Fund website Well, I guess if you try to do something nice, you are bound to get mud tossed your way by the uninformed. Those who act are often criticized by bystanders. I have made a webpage for info on the Welty Fund. http://members.tripod.com/alfabill/weltyfund.htm I am normally quick to take a well intended ribbing, but I am offended that another person would question my ethics publically without checking my references with me or others who know me. For those who don't wish to trust me with their $10, don't. Assurances? No. you'll have to trust me. A few grand won't get me to Tahiti... :o) That is all I'll say on the matter in regard for not wasting any more space. > > Hello All, > Great Idea, a Welty Digest Fund. I'm sure some folks will want assurances the > money is going to Richard Welty though, like me. Might be best to write checks > directly to Richard Welty if folks have any doubts, since the account seems to > be in Florida and Richard is in Troy, New York maybe? > - -- ************************************************************* B i l l H a r k e l l Tampa Florida USA '91 Alfa 168B / '69 Alfa Spider Homepage: http://pw2.netcom.com/~alfabill/welcome.htm Alfa parts specials http://mastrosubaru.com/special.htm Alfa factory parts: http://mastrosubaru.com/parts.htm ************************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 19:46:40 -0800 From: john Subject: european headlight covers 123 body I'll be buying some leftover parts from a friend at Boeing tomorrow or the next day. He says, "The headlight shields are still in the box, they protect the glass lenes of the European headlights which run around $110 just for the lens." I decided to go with the IPF conversion headlights on Fritz so I won't be needing them... :) (absolutely LOVE them). Let me know if you're interested. We might be able to do some horsetrading. Otherwise make me an offer... Also might have some extra shop manuals as well, we'll see what he has versus what I have. later, john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE/Bible-1998.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 20:08:34 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: ProLong At 12:00 PM 1/4/99 -0800, Romeo Shayne Pavlic' wrote: >Just my personal experiance. I still have the car and the PCV is fine with >absolutely no blowby. Well, I guess to each his own. >>Shayne. The only remaining explanation is that the previous owner over-oiled the filter. I've been using them since 1983 and never had that problem; never even heard of a problem like that before either... The only other folks I've ever met that didn't like these filters were the guys that sell air filters at the parts stores, dealerships and shops... :) john john - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com 81 J10 / 81 300D / 88 wagoneer limited (xj) http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/john/Vehicle-History.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:55:42 -0600 (CST) From: "M. Mason" Subject: Re: ProLong Would someone educate me? How does one over-oil a filter? _____________________________ Matthew J. Mason mmason-at-blue.weeg.uiowa.edu On Mon, 4 Jan 1999, john wrote: > At 12:00 PM 1/4/99 -0800, Romeo Shayne Pavlic' wrote: > >Just my personal experiance. I still have the car and the PCV is fine with > >absolutely no blowby. Well, I guess to each his own. > >>Shayne. > > The only remaining explanation is that the previous owner over-oiled the > filter. I've been using them since 1983 and never had that problem; > never even heard of a problem like that before either... > > The only other folks I've ever met that didn't like these filters were > the guys that sell air filters at the parts stores, dealerships and > shops... :) > > john > > john > ----------------------------------------------------------- > john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com > 81 J10 / 81 300D / 88 wagoneer limited (xj) > http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/john/Vehicle-History.html > Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ----------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:36:31 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: ProLong At 11:55 PM 1/4/99 -0600, M. Mason wrote: >>Would someone educate me? How does one over-oil a filter? The amsoil filters are oil-soaked foam filters. The proper way of "oiling" them is to use a tack-oil. For years I used regular motor oil... many folks do... the problem is if you use too much, it's got to go somewhere. :) There's a picture of one at: http://www.wagoneers.com/JEEPS/XJ-cherokees/tech-section/twostagefilter.jpg It's the one in my 88 xj wagoneer (cherokee) jeep. It's not the same kind that Fritz has, his is round. The two stage part consists of a course outer layer that keeps birds, branches and small children from the tighter denser oil-soaked foam. :) Up here in the Pacific Northwest were dust is rarer than an honest politician I hardly ever have to clean mine... (the picture was taken with almost two years worth of use, I did clean it afterwards... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com 81 J10 / 81 300D / 88 wagoneer limited (xj) http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/john/Vehicle-History.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:17:05 -0800 From: john Subject: support your local list server... Bill, et al (that's Diesel-Benz, FSJ and XJ list folks... :) Bill Harkel of the self proclaimed Alfa Romeo Search and Rescue Society (you have to check out his web page... look out if this guy ever drives an FSJ, he'd be an instant convert, but I digress... Bill has come up with a great idea. A Welty fund to support the server we all use for these lists! Certain list folks driving certain brands of British cars suggested sending directly to Richard instead of going to Bill's fund, thereby saving time, effort and eliminating any appearance of anything other than what was obviously intended. I want to congratulate Bill for coming up with the idea, and Glenn for remembering that Richard has an address and a business that we can send to directly, or even patronize! I've tried to do my part with a web page about his services on my server: http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/NeWorks-KrustyMotorsports/ not much, but a token of appreciation... You can help Richard Welty by supporting his business as a client, by advertising for him, and of course through a contribution for the server fund. Glenn identifies some ways we can provide benefit to Richard without giving him charity... that is by renting space on his server. I went through this same process when I was trying to get my server on line and had many friends on both the XJ and FSJ list offer to support it. I was fortunate to have extra UNIX systems laying around and struck a fair deal with my isp to get my server on line... anyways, y'all can rent some space from Richard instead of me if you're still interested. From the prices below it sounds very reasonable. :) Bill, no offense, but I kind of prefer Glenn's idea of sending any money directly to Richard. Since I've been to Tampa and know that if you got any money at all you'd probably prefer to come up to the Pacific Northwest instead of going to another hot, muggy and bug infested location... :-) ==================================================================== Krusty Motorsports c/o Richard Welty 350 Sixth Avenue Troy, NY 12182 USA 518-237-6307 with phone number to verify that he will get it if sent. ============================================================================== Some of the messages sent to the lists... (only made it to the Diesel-Benz list) Preface for non Alfa Digest members. My name is Bill Harkell, a member of the Alfa Digest. In an attempt to show Richard some appreciation for the digests he runs, I suggested we start a voluntary fund to donate to Richard, since he seems to shy from commercial use of the digests for his own gain. It met with unanimous acceptance. I am in the process of opening a bank account for the purpose of centralizing any donations to the "The Welty Fund". As alternate list subscribers, you are invited to be a part of this drive. There is no expiration date. As they say, "come back often". As time permits I will put together some sort of basic info web page re: the fund. More info is below. Thank you... For all digesters :o) At 07:35 PM 1/4/99 -0700, Glenn Merrell wrote: >Hello All, >Great Idea, a Welty Digest Fund. Might be best to write checks directly to Richard Welty Richard has asked for $ to help fund the Krusty Motorsports server and digests before with $ being sent directly to him, posting his address. I also recall he received the money he was looking for and the server problems were corected at that time. In the mean time, I'll send a check off to him at Krusty Motorsports ... I believe Richard will receive mail at: > >Krusty Motorsports >c/o Richard Welty >350 Sixth Avenue >Troy, NY 12182 USA > >518-237-6307 with phone number to verify that he will get it if sent. >>Krusty's Web Page has the address at http://www.krusty-motorsports.com/ >>Richards's e-mail address is rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com >> Want to help maintain the mail list server in a way that gives back? Subscribe >to have Krusty's server host your car's web page and e-mail. $10 a month, 10 >megabytes of space. Details at http://www.krusty-motorsports.com/WebHosting.html This way the server is supported and hosts your car's web page too! >> For alternatives, since this account is just being set up and will be at a US >bank, they should accept major charge cards for deposits into this account? >That way, non-USA Digest users could contribute to the fund also. Just a >thought, the more participants, the merrier. All it would take is a phone call, >fax or letter to the bank referencing the account, amount to be deposited, and >card holders number with expiration date. >>Regards, >Glenn Merrell >Triumph Stag Register USA VP >******************************************************************* >*Member of: >*VTR, RMTC, TSC USA, TSR, SOC >***************************************************************** >Alfa Romeo Search and Rescue Society wrote: >> Preface for non Alfa Digest members. >> >> My name is Bill Harkell, a member of the Alfa Digest. >> >> In an attempt to show Richard some appreciation for the digests he >> runs, I suggested we start a voluntary fund to donate to Richard, since >> he seems to shy from commercial use of the digests for his own gain. It >> met with unanimous acceptance. >> >> I am in the process of opening a bank account for the purpose of >> centralizing any donations to the "The Welty Fund". >> >> As alternate list subscribers, you are invited to be a part of this >> drive. There is no expiration date. As they say, "come back often". As >> time permits I will put together some sort of basic info web page re: >> the fund. More info is below. >> >> Thank you... >> >> For all digesters :o) >> >> Ok, It's time to see who is a Friend Of Richard Welty :o) Oy! No guilt >> here! >> >> If you appreciate the (insert your digest here) Digest, send your >> donation check to : >> >> (US $ funds please. $10 minimum please) >> >> Welty Digest Fund >> c/o AlfaBill Harkell >> 13413 Forest Hills Dr. >> Tampa Florida USA 33612-3339 >> >> Monies will be made available to Mr. Welty for use at his sole >> discretion, as a showing of our appreciation for his efforts as Digest >> owner. >> >> Only expenses will be any possible fees related to the account and >> possibly a rubber stamp to deposit the checks. >> >> Keep those cards and Letters coming! :o) >> -- >> >> ************************************************************* >> B i l l H a r k e l l >> Tampa Florida USA >> '91 Alfa 168B / '69 Alfa Spider >> Homepage: http://pw2.netcom.com/~alfabill/welcome.htm >> Alfa parts specials http://mastrosubaru.com/special.htm >> Alfa factory parts: http://mastrosubaru.com/parts.htm >> ************************************************************* >Return-Path: Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:14:53 -0500 From: Alfa Romeo Search and Rescue Society To: "alfa-at-digest.net" CC: bmw-at-digest.net, italian-cars-at-digest.net, ihc-at-digest.net, stag-at-digest.net, diesel-benz-at-digest.net, rwelty-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: Welty Fund website Sender: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net Well, I guess if you try to do something nice, you are bound to get mud tossed your way by the uninformed. Those who act are often criticized by bystanders. I have made a webpage for info on the Welty Fund. http://members.tripod.com/alfabill/weltyfund.htm I am normally quick to take a well intended ribbing, but I am offended that another person would question my ethics publically without checking my references with me or others who know me. For those who don't wish to trust me with their $10, don't. Assurances? No. you'll have to trust me. A few grand won't get me to Tahiti... :o) That is all I'll say on the matter in regard for not wasting any more space. ************************************************************* B i l l H a r k e l l Tampa Florida USA '91 Alfa 168B / '69 Alfa Spider Homepage: http://pw2.netcom.com/~alfabill/welcome.htm Alfa parts specials http://mastrosubaru.com/special.htm Alfa factory parts: http://mastrosubaru.com/parts.htm ************************************************************* ------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com - http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------------------------------------------------- http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ (81 300D) http://www.digest.net/jeep/ (88 xj wagoneer & 81 J10) ------------------------------------------------- jesus, don't leave life without him... ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:51:05 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: update MPG page oops... :-) fixed it. thanx, john At 08:07 PM 1/4/99 +0100, Pieter Noorlander wrote: >Hi John, >>I think you mixed my figures up with Brian's on the web page. I sure wished >Herman only took 36 mpg but in reality he is a bit thirstier :) >>Year 83 >MODEL 300TD >worst mpg ? (don't own it long enough) >avg mpg 25 >best mpg ? (ditto) >MILES 200K >State/Country Nederland >First name Pieter >BODY 123 > >Pieter >83 300TD (Herman) > - ---------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Real FREEDOM comes through knowing Jesus http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE/Bible-1998.html - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:12:03 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Mercedes-Benz MPG At 04:12 PM 1/4/99 +0100, Thomas John wrote: >Hallo John! >john wrote: >> Wie gehts Herr Thomas! >> Woher kommen sie aus Deutschland? :) >Ich komme aus der Gegend um Duesseldorf. Ich wohne in einer kleinen >Stadt mit 20.000 Einwohnern. Die Stadt heisst Wuelfrath. Up north! Perhaps you should get together with Pieter in Nederland! I used to wander up to Koblenz from time to time, mainly when driving up and down the Rhein looking at Castles. :) They also had a McDonalds there. :) (what do you expect from a young GI and his young bride? :) On one trip I took a picture of that house in the middle of the autobahns! I entered it into a photo contest (mainly because I'd seen a similar picture up at the Van Gogh museum in Amstermdam). http://www.wagoneers.com/pages/john/images/foto-month-jun77.jpg >>> Ich hat funf jahr im Deutschland bleiben, im Frankfurt am Main, und >> im Darmstadt (Weiterstadt und Messel). Ich hat at Cambrai Fritsch Kaserne >> und IG Farben Haus (Abrams) arbeiten. >Ich hoffe es hat Ihnen gefallen bei uns! Ich war das letzte Mal in den >USA in 1992, am Bryce Canyon, Zion National Park, Yellowstone, Glacier >N.P., davor war ich in 1991 fuer 4 Wochen in Ames (Iowa) bei einer >Gastfamilie in der High School. I did enjoy my stay in Deutschland, even though I was in the Army. :) We're about a 10 hour drive from Glacier N.P., isn't it beautiful? Bryce Canyon is an interesting place, went through there in the late 60's. I grew up in northern Illinois. I hope your visit to Iowa was during warm weather. :) It can get down right cold out there on those praries. :-) > >> (Since it's been since 1981 my German is probably very, very bad... :) >hey you did not practice since almost 18 years??! You know in 1981 I was >only six years old! I think your German is great, if you consider you >did not use it for such a long time. I hope you understood all I have >written before ;-) > >>> Seems like the Europeans get all the cool cars. Jeep exports a 2.5L >> Turbo Diesel in their Cherokee over there as well. It's an Italian >> engine. >Yes the same engine is available in the Chrysler Voyager over here, >which is a great success. Even the Range Rovers are sold with Diesel >engines in Europe. But although we have so much Diesels over here, they >never gave us the old W123 300D Turbos and Coupes, and all the S-class >Diesels until 1991. !!! Isn't it ironic that y'all get the ML270TD and we don't?!?! and they make them HERE!!!! >But now, Diesels are really on the fast lane, the latest E 290 >Turbodiesel returned a "best" test mileage of 48mpg (US)!! They said the >car would always achieve more than about 39mpg if you are taking it >"slowly" (this means you don't drive more than 90mph all the time...). >>With the best regards >Thomas It's a shame the new E300 TD costs over 45K here, then I have to pay a 8.3% sales tax, AND then an excise tax on the value of the car to license it!!! Probably looking at $1,200 a year for tabs. I've bought running Jeeps for less than that!!!! I've also purchased two of my Mercedes Diesels for less than that! :-) Fwiw, I managed to get over 20 miles per gallon with my 67 Mustang on the Autobahn, (289 cu in (4.7L?) V-8) average speed about 115 miles per hour between Basel and Frankfurt. :-) (I did a short stretch at 140 mph while playing around with a guy in a Corvette.) I also got 22 mpg in an Army van (an old Dodge with the 225 slant six) when I did the required 80 km/hr (50 mph). :) I didn't get interested in Diesels until I was back in the states, even though I had a HausMeister that was nuts about his Golf. :) auf weiderschrieben, john - ---------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Real FREEDOM comes through knowing Jesus http://www.wagoneers.com/BIBLE/Bible-1998.html - ---------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 16:31:15 -0800 From: john Subject: headlight covers and manuals The headlight covers turned out to be the $39.95 GTS clear plastic covers. I may use them on Fritz... The manuals say the same thing as my 1987 versions on the cover, but the contents are quite different... the ones I picked up are 1982 editions and have detailed wiring diagrams... Strange, but the 1982 edition of Vol2 is like 50% THICKER???? In other words, hold on for a few days and let me figure out if I'm gonna part with these goodies... :) later, john john - ------------------------------------------------------ john-at-wagoneers.com HP-UX/Solaris/Linux/AIX/IRIX http://www.wagoneers.com/UNIX/ UNIX rules - Windoze loses - ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:13:23 -0500 From: Alfa Romeo Search and Rescue Society Subject: Welty fund I seem to have made the misjudgement that other digest members share the same comradeship and assumed trust of other members that the Alfa Digest does. My mistake. We feel we have far too much to lose by screwing a fellow member. The folks on that digest are personal friends, as far as I am concerned. That being said, the off digest slurs and insults I have received via e-mail are not worth the bother to try to cross digest lines. I'm very disappointed. Since so many think I am up to something unsavory,other than AD members who are are applauding me, do as this fellow Glenn recommends and please do something monetary for Richard. He's got the address. I am going to concentrate my efforts over on the Alfa digest and hopefully do a nice deed. Even though many think my idea is a scam, it is MY effort, and I encourage others to follow suit with whatever means they see fit. At least I tried. Best regards. ************************************************************* B i l l H a r k e l l Tampa Florida USA '91 Alfa 168B / '69 Alfa Spider Homepage: http://pw2.netcom.com/~alfabill/welcome.htm Alfa parts specials http://mastrosubaru.com/special.htm Alfa factory parts: http://mastrosubaru.com/parts.htm ************************************************************* ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #69 ********************************