From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #121 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Saturday, April 10 1999 Volume 01 : Number 121 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: sproing? Re: sproing? RE: sproing? RE: sproing? RE: Morning Starts Re: websites and links diesel-benz-digest V1 #117 Re: 300D diesel-benz-digest V1 #119 Turbo Problem Re: sproing? Re: Turbo Problem Re: sproing? 300TD tranny question Re: 300TD tranny question Re: sproing? Re: sproing? Re: 300D diesel-benz-digest V1 #119 Turbo beasts and newer body styles Window Tints Re: Turbo beasts and newer body styles Re: Window Tints Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. 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Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:17:49 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: sproing? nope. just once or twice after he's been parked for a bit. mostly when turning to the left... weird. also, is it normal for the backend to raise and lower when shifting from neutral to drive and back? john At 12:43 AM 4/10/99 -0500, matthew j mason wrote: > > >John -- does it also happen when going around turns, in either direction? >If so -- my dad's older 300 does it too... a 115, though, from '76... if >Fritz is sproinging while turning, I can check with him to see what it is >on his.. > -- mjm > >On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, john wrote: > >> Fritz makes a very peculiar sound when we first get underway. >> Comes from the right rear corner... kind of a sproing sound. >> Handles fine, bounce the car and everything seems normal and quiet. >> >> Any ideas??? >> >> john >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com >> http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john >> http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html >> jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >> Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 06:48:45 -0700 From: "David Masinick" Subject: RE: sproing? Yes. John wrote: > also, is it normal for the backend to raise and lower when shifting > from neutral to drive and back? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 06:47:00 -0700 From: "David Masinick" Subject: RE: sproing? John, Your sound could be from your rear stabilizer bushings. Dave Masinick Hopkinton, NH '82 300D MBCA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 06:43:26 -0700 From: "David Masinick" Subject: RE: Morning Starts Chris, To build on John's post, as you probably know, you can check the turbo shaft by removing the intake air horn that goes between the air cleaner and the turbo. Another angle, are you seeing odd behavior from your glow-light at startup? I am wondering if all of your plugs are glowing at start. You may have a cylinder that isn't lit until the extra cylinder pressure from the turbo gets it going. If you have the manual and an Ohm meter, you can check out the glow circuit. If you don't have the manual, I can give you bits of it out of mine. After being sure of my fuel filters' condition and valve adjustment, I would do an "Italian Tune-up". Get the engine warm by driving 5-10 miles on the highway. Select "S" on the transmission and take the RPM's up to 4000. Accelerated at WOT up to the redline (4750 or so), and then back off slowly and repeat the process several times. The combination of heat and turbulance cleans out the deposits in your chambers. I know that this sounds severe, but these engines are built for hard highway running. Regards, Dave Masinick Hopkinton, NH '82 300D MBCA John wrote: > It sounds to me like the turbo is acting like a plug. Once > you spin it up, everything is fine... Could be bearings that > are sticky when cold??? Stuck wastegate? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:11:34 +0200 From: "jaguar-at-poweronline.net" Subject: Re: websites and links diesel-benz-digest V1 #117 Hi John, > Woher kommen Sie auf Deutschland? :-) > I lived in Frankfurt am Main from 75 until July 77, then > came back in January 1978 and stayed in Darmstadt until > January 1981. I was stationed there with the US Army. I live in the north of Germany, some hundred km`s away from Frankfurt and Darmstadt. > I would love to get back over there. I miss the Autobahns. :-) Mostly it`s no more fun these days on the Autobahn, crowded and many speed limits of 120km/h and around cities often only 80km/h... But for me and my faaaaasst 240D automatic with a top speed of 138km/h (=85mph) that`s of course no real problem. > BTW, what is the price of Diesel in Deutschland these days? > It was about $1.15 / gallon here, but because of OPEC and > a refinery fire down in California it's shot up to 1.23 to > as much as 1.39 / gallon. (3.785 liters per gallon). Short version: USD 2.37 per US gallon. Long version: The prices for gas and diesel just went up per April 1st. The government calls it _environmental tax_: All prices went up 6 German Pfennigs per litre (=3.25 US cent), which sums up to 22.71 Pfennigs per US gallon; but as governments seem to love to lie that`s only 6/7th of the truth as VAT at 16 per cent has to be added to that in the end coming to 6.96 Pfennigs. So in fact the prices went up 7 Pfennigs per litre, that`s 26.5 Pfennigs per US gallon or 14.3 cents. Together with the usual yearly gas price increases just days before Easter Time and the risen prices due to reduced OPEC production in Germany diesel now costs roughly DM 1,16 per litre (= USD 2.37 per US gallon assumed USD 1 = DM 1,85), as opposed to roughly DM 1.02 two weeks ago (USD 2.09 per US gallon). > My 81 300D is getting around 24 mpg right now... My 88 > Jeep xj wagoneer limited is getting around 16 mpg... Mileage is always a bit tricky as it very much depends on the individual driving conditions and the individual driving style: With my 1982 240D auto I only do city driving and need roughly 9 litres per 100 km (=26.1 mpg US) on days with a light foot and 10 litres/100km (= 23.5 mpg US) on days with a heavier foot. Under the same conditions with a say 1982 230E gas (4 cyl 136hp, very popular engine here in Germany) I would pay exactly the double amount in money every month for gas - less mpg and higher gas price. Greetings from Germany Juergen 1982 240D auto trans - one of the oldest cars on the block but I swear it`s still one of the best ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:13:46 +0200 From: "jaguar-at-poweronline.net" Subject: Re: 300D diesel-benz-digest V1 #119 Hi John, > y'all are pretty quiet on the list... Are we? Take it as a sign our Diesels running fine without problems. > The more I drive my 81 300D the more I want to drive it... with > one slight exception... I wish it had a bit more power. (I can > just hear the guys with the 240d's groaning... :) Let me assure you that a 240D with it`s 72hp (Euro, auto trans, newer engine, older had 65hp) is _extremely_ fast compared to a W123 200D (Euro, auto trans) with 55hp: When I changed from such a 200D to a 240D I once was _very_ pleased with the higher output and the car felt pretty fast... > BTW, what's the follow on body style to the 123 Series 300D? W124. I once drove a 109hp W124 300D auto trans for a year and was always impressed not only with the really great sound from the engine but of course also with the much higher output of the engine compared to my W123 240D, the W124 having had a top speed of 185km/h (=114mph), which is worlds away from the 138km/h (=85 mph) of my 240D. What really was impressing was the fact that in normal city driving the mpg of the W124 was only around 15 per cent lower. Greetings from Germany Juergen `82 240D still going strong ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 11:13:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Harry Hartz Subject: Turbo Problem My '82 300SD did this in the winter also. I believe it is called turbo lag--the turbo boost does not kick in until the injection pump gives the engine enough fuel to get it spinning BUT the injection pump, in order to limit pollution will not allow a great deal of fuel into the engine UNTIL the boost rises. So, if yours is like mine, you put your foot on the floor and wait 15 seconds while it finally climbs to second gear and then all's fine. Mine always started perfectly, no smoke in fact. So, my guess it that like yours, it needs to warm up a few minutes because perhaps the anti-smoke aneroid is not quite working. That or the injection pump needs some adjustment. HOWEVER!!!!, DO NOT detach the boost line coming over from the intake--it tells the injection pump when it can meter a bit more in. You should definitely INSPECT it though, as sometimes these can clog--but given that it works just fine after warmed up I doubt it highly. NEVER adjust the injection pump (NEVER TOUCH that screw below the rubber cylinder surrounded by the aluminum sheath) without a COMPLETE understanding of what the adjustment will do. That particular screw I mentioned could with a simple half turn destroy $400 in aneroids and render the car undrivable. > > I was wondering if anyone knew what this was. If my 300SD is cold, or > even if its warm out but hasn't run for more than 10 or so hours a very > strange thing happens. Ready? OK. The engine starts with no problem, > ever. Starts perfectly, allways. Ok, a little smoke. > > Now, when I put it in gear and give it gas, lots of gas, it is as though > it is running on 3 cyl. BUT. As soon as it gets up to speed and the > turbo kicks in for the 1st time, boom, it takes off. After that it runs > normal. At low, pre-boast rpm, it motors along nice and strong. It is > only when I first start it up. And once the turbo kicks in for the 1st > time it is fine after that. > > Whats up??? > > Chris > 82 300SD > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:15:17 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: sproing? gotta fix Jeeps today, maybe I'll crawl under the Benz and look around today... :) I can lay there for hours studying it... it's soooo beautiful. I love well engineered stuff... john At 08:21 AM 4/10/99 -0400, mfrank-at-westnet.com wrote: >Sproing? Perhaps a sticky parking brake cable? > >Mike Frank >1979 300CD >New York > >At 10:09 PM 4/9/99 -0700, you wrote: >>Fritz makes a very peculiar sound when we first get underway. > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:10:23 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Turbo Problem You know Eric is probably right. We don't get much cold weather up here in the Pacific NW, but thinking about the few times we've been hit with an Artic Blast and I had that little Turbo Diesel, it did pretty much the same thing, although the boost came on much sooner than the Benz do. All this talk of Turbos... I think I'm going to go and cruise the used car lots while chasing parts for my Jeeps... :) I've got two rigs I can sell/trade so I can move up in the Benz world again. :) My first benz was a 68 220d with major injector noise and problems that I paid $150 for. :) Second Benz was a 450SEL, I traded a car I'd rebuilt (totalled, paid $225) and he even paid me beyond the trade! My third Benz was that 75 240D I bought while I rebuilt my totalled 88 xj wagoneer (the infamous locker-tree incident, earning me the harrassment of cow-orkers and fellow jeepers... :) They accuse me of being a tree slayer. :) That 240D convinced me that I wanted a nice Diesel Benz. My friend at church decided he wanted to move into a Jag (he just bought a 95) and made me a great deal on this 300D. Next move is a Turbo Diesel... Not sure if I can afford what I want. I figure I'll get about $2k for this Jeepster Commando I'm working on if I don't paint it, 3 to 4K if I do. Fritz has got to be worth $4 to $6K, he's in great shape and low mileage... Any ideas on what a 300D with 134K is worth? Everything works, even the Becker radio. :) The heat/a-c isn't 100%, but $200 worth of parts will snap that in line. :) My driveway looks like a used car lot today. My wife went to seattle with a friend so all the cars are here... My daughter's Buick, the 72 Commando, my 88 xj wagoneer and Fritz... :) ttyl, john At 11:13 AM 4/10/99 -0400, Eric Harry Hartz wrote: > >My '82 300SD did this in the winter also. I believe it is called turbo >lag--the turbo boost does not kick in until the injection pump gives the >engine enough fuel to get it spinning BUT the injection pump, in order to >limit pollution will not allow a great deal of fuel into the engine UNTIL >the boost rises. So, if yours is like mine, you put your foot on the >floor and wait 15 seconds while it finally climbs to second gear and then >all's fine. Mine always started perfectly, no smoke in fact. So, my >guess it that like yours, it needs to warm up a few minutes because >perhaps the anti-smoke aneroid is not quite working. That or the >injection pump needs some adjustment. > >HOWEVER!!!!, DO NOT detach the boost line coming over from the intake--it >tells the injection pump when it can meter a bit more in. You should >definitely INSPECT it though, as sometimes these can clog--but given that >it works just fine after warmed up I doubt it highly. NEVER adjust the >injection pump (NEVER TOUCH that screw below the rubber cylinder >surrounded by the aluminum sheath) without a COMPLETE understanding of >what the adjustment will do. That particular screw I mentioned could with >a simple half turn destroy $400 in aneroids and render the car undrivable. - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:50:28 +0200 From: "Pieter" Subject: Re: sproing? - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: john Aan: matthew j mason CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Datum: zaterdag 10 april 1999 8:16 Onderwerp: Re: sproing? > >also, is it normal for the backend to raise and lower when shifting >from neutral to drive and back? > My 300TD doesn't sproing, but it does the raise / lower thing like you described. Don't know if it's normal, though. Till now I never worried about it. Does yours have auto levelling at the rear? See ya Pieter '83 300TD (Hermann) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:30:23 +0200 From: "Pieter" Subject: 300TD tranny question Hello Listers Knowing that the subject is already beaten to death on several lists (this excuse is probably too), I still have a question about the auto trans in my '83 300TD. It is slipping when shifting from 2nd to 3rd and some more when going 3rd to 4th. I have to play a bit with the accelerator to make it shift properly. It only occurs on medium acceleration. - - Little acceleration: Very smooth, hardly noticeable shifting - - Medium acceleration: Flaring like described - - Heavy acceleration (not kickdown): Very firm shifting It does it only when the engine is hot, cold engine shifts firmly (oil temp?) It also seems to be less in stop and go traffic, more after driving in one gear (highway) for a while. Fluid level is OK (top mark at operating temp is OK isn't it?) I'm suspecting some vacuum adjustment or leak , but don't know where to start looking. Any suggestions? TIA, Pieter '83 300TD (Hermann) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:49:08 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: 300TD tranny question Fritz does about the same thing btwn 2 - 3 rd. I've seen variations after playing with the vacuum lines. My guess is it's vacuum related, although I haven't been able to pin it down yet. john At 10:30 PM 4/10/99 +0200, Pieter wrote: >Hello Listers > >Knowing that the subject is already beaten to death on several lists (this >excuse is probably too), I still have a question about the auto trans in my >'83 300TD. > >It is slipping when shifting from 2nd to 3rd and some more when going 3rd to >4th. >I have to play a bit with the accelerator to make it shift properly. It only >occurs on medium acceleration. >- Little acceleration: Very smooth, hardly noticeable shifting >- Medium acceleration: Flaring like described >- Heavy acceleration (not kickdown): Very firm shifting > >It does it only when the engine is hot, cold engine shifts firmly (oil >temp?) >It also seems to be less in stop and go traffic, more after driving in one >gear (highway) for a while. > >Fluid level is OK (top mark at operating temp is OK isn't it?) > >I'm suspecting some vacuum adjustment or leak , but don't know where to >start looking. > >Any suggestions? > >TIA, Pieter >'83 300TD (Hermann) > > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:52:37 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: sproing? At 08:50 PM 4/10/99 +0200, Pieter wrote: >Datum: zaterdag 10 april 1999 8:16 >Onderwerp: Re: sproing? > >>also, is it normal for the backend to raise and lower when shifting >>from neutral to drive and back? >> >My 300TD doesn't sproing, but it does the raise / lower thing like you >described. Don't know if it's normal, though. Till now I never worried about >it. Does yours have auto levelling at the rear? >Pieter >'83 300TD (Hermann) I don't think so... It could just be something like a traction bar designed into the suspension. :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:51:15 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: sproing? rear differential bushing? I'm not dealing with a Jeep, am I? :) john At 01:57 PM 4/10/99 -0500, matthew j mason wrote: > >the rear differential bushing idea has gained another supporter... my >father says that's what it was on his. I don't know that he's ever gotten >it fixed... I haven't driven that car in years. > >______________________________________________ >Matthew J. Mason >matthew-mason-at-uiowa.edu >Colleges of Education and Liberal Arts >University of Iowa > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:14:25 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: 300D diesel-benz-digest V1 #119 I believe the top speed of my 81 300D, 123 body style is about 98 mph. However the speedometer only goes to 85 mph. I've pegged it and had no trouble gaining speed past that point so 98 is very believeable.... WHAT is the top speed indicated on the European versions? Our Diesel prices just jumped up to around $1,31 to 1,35 / gallon (3.785 l) ttyl, john At 04:13 PM 4/10/99 +0200, jaguar-at-poweronline.net wrote: >Hi John, > >> y'all are pretty quiet on the list... >Are we? >Take it as a sign our Diesels running fine without problems. > >> The more I drive my 81 300D the more I want to drive it... with >> one slight exception... I wish it had a bit more power. (I can >> just hear the guys with the 240d's groaning... :) >Let me assure you that a 240D with it`s 72hp (Euro, auto trans, >newer engine, older had 65hp) is _extremely_ fast compared to >a W123 200D (Euro, auto trans) with 55hp: When I changed from >such a 200D to a 240D I once was _very_ pleased with the higher >output and the car felt pretty fast... > >> BTW, what's the follow on body style to the 123 Series 300D? >W124. I once drove a 109hp W124 300D auto trans for a year and >was always impressed not only with the really great sound from >the engine but of course also with the much higher output of the >engine compared to my W123 240D, the W124 having had a top speed >of 185km/h (=114mph), which is worlds away from the 138km/h >(=85 mph) of my 240D. >What really was impressing was the fact that in normal city >driving the mpg of the W124 was only around 15 per cent lower. > >Greetings from Germany > >Juergen > >`82 240D still going strong > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:35:27 +0000 From: Tony Wirtel Subject: Turbo beasts and newer body styles john said... > The more I drive my 81 300D the more I want to drive it... with > one slight exception... I wish it had a bit more power. (I can > just hear the guys with the 240d's groaning... :) > > I checked on the 85 300 Turbo Diesel engine and trans pricing. > about $1750 for the motor complete and $775 for the tranny. > let's see, that's $2525... I wonder if I couldn't buy a > totaled 85 300 Turbo Diesel for that... I bought my 300TD for 2500, 221k, needed windshield, taillight, other stuff..total added outlay has been abt 800, but I've put 11k on her since mid December. You've gotta be able to get a 300d for 2500. > > BTW, what's the follow on body style to the 123 Series 300D? 124 series started '86 ran through abt 93, but was diesel wagon for only one year (87) in the states. This diesel was a six, aluminum head, overall more expensive to maintain. More concernes w/failure, especially when overheated. Since offered only only year AND was the newer style prices are extraordinary. FWIW, I'd give it some time for the 124 to seem 'old' and the prices should drop. > > Any thoughts? > > john If you can find a good wagon, their prices are actaully starting to rise again as premium wagons making big market impact...most of these are people are tired of driving trucks and want a REAL car again. I recall that the Subaru Legacy wagon was almost identical in inside space to the original Grand Cherokee. Now, with all that said, you would probably be better off in the cosmic scheme of things to keep your '81..you know her, and would likely have to do a lot of little niggling things to get her to the same spec as your used too. And as we all know, these 'little' things can bankrupt you if you try to fix them all!!! Good luck- Tony Wirtel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:42:01 -0700 From: john Subject: Window Tints While out "joy riding" today I stopped to get a soda and parked near a white 300D with Turbo Diesel written across the trunk... even had a sunroof deflector and the same wheels as fritz, but the windows were tinted... Looked pretty good. Whaddyall think? Should I tint the windows? I probably won't do the front ones because it's rainy here most of the time and the tint makes it hard to see. So would it look really dumb to just have the rear windows tinted? My Jeep is like that, but it's a wagon so it looks ok... Before I do it, let's hear some feedback... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 16:39:11 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Turbo beasts and newer body styles At 06:35 PM 4/10/99 +0000, Tony Wirtel wrote: >>Now, with all that said, you would probably be better off in the cosmic scheme >of things to keep your '81..you know her, and would likely have to do a lot of >little niggling things to get her to the same spec as your used too. And as >we all know, these 'little' things can bankrupt you if you try to fix them all!!! >>Good luck- >Tony Wirtel After driving around and only seeing Gas powered benz's or really, really old Diesels... You're right. I should take the money and fix the enviromental controls and the cruise control... what are we talking? $500? Everything else is near perfect. Kind of reminds me of this: 5 Let your character be free from the love of money, being content with what you have; for He Himself has said, "I will never desert you, nor will I ever forsake you," :-) Now I'd better get outside and start fixing all these things I should be content with. ttyl, john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:14:41 -0000 From: "Ron Dwelle" Subject: Re: Window Tints Mine are tinted (by PO). They're very nice. He also had a tint placed across the top 1/4 of the windshield, and that's not so good. Distracting at night, cause you're always ducking your head to see under the tint. - -----Original Message----- From: john To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 8:42 PM Subject: Window Tints While out "joy riding" today I stopped to get a soda and parked near a white 300D with Turbo Diesel written across the trunk... even had a sunroof deflector and the same wheels as fritz, but the windows were tinted... Looked pretty good. Whaddyall think? Should I tint the windows? I probably won't do the front ones because it's rainy here most of the time and the tint makes it hard to see. So would it look really dumb to just have the rear windows tinted? My Jeep is like that, but it's a wagon so it looks ok... Before I do it, let's hear some feedback... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #121 *********************************