From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #132 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Thursday, April 29 1999 Volume 01 : Number 132 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Self serve Fuel Re: sound shield follow-up Re: Self serve Fuel RE: Self serve Fuel couldn't find it... Re: Subject: rust, traffic and weather RE: Self serve Fuel RE: Self serve Fuel RE: Self serve Fuel and other Northwest issues Re: Subject: 190, 300 RE: Self serve Fuel and other Northwest issues Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:51:16 -0700 From: "John E Culver" Subject: Self serve Fuel In Oregon you can pump your own Diesel fuel. I have been doing it sence 1986/ Just pull into any truck stop and fill up. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:24:30 -0500 (CDT) From: matthew j mason Subject: Re: sound shield follow-up i'd definitely be interested, john... good luck with it! :) -- mjm ______________________________________________ Matthew J. Mason matthew-mason-at-uiowa.edu Colleges of Education and Liberal Arts University of Iowa On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, john wrote: > $71 plus shipping... total of $83.95 doesn't seem too bad... > But it would be better if they provided some data on a clearer page. > Like, before and after dB readings. Type of material used, etc. > > It appears to go around the engine and up the driver's side toward > the radiator... I'd guess to block out the injection pump noise... > > Tell ya what, I've got a hood insulation pad sitting in my shop. I'll > take a look at installing it as they have pictured and see what it does > for sound. > > If it works, I'll custom cut and ship a soundproofing system for a LOT > less... and still make money on it. :) > > Testing commences in a few hours... :) > john > > > On Mon, 26 Apr 1999, matthew j mason wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:39:22 -0500 (CDT) > > From: matthew j mason > > To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > > Subject: sound shield follow-up > > > > > > You can all find those fiberglass sound shields I referred to, at the > > following address: > > > > http://www.advweb.com/psb/ > > > > Thinking about adding one when we tackle the engine work on my 240 this > > summer... but their price seems a little high for the product... let me > > know what you all think! Thanks -- mjm > > > > ______________________________________________ > > Matthew J. Mason > > matthew-mason-at-uiowa.edu > > > > > > > > ---- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > john-at-virtual-cafe.com **** Snohomish, Washington USA > don't leave life without jesus, please... > http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john > http://wagoneers.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:00:30 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Self serve Fuel When I'm down there I usually hit the cardlock / truckstops. I had to take a special "safety class" to be able to pump my own fuel (including gas) at the cardlock. :) john At 04:51 PM 4/26/99 -0700, you wrote: > >In Oregon you can pump your own Diesel fuel. I have been doing it sence >1986/ >Just pull into any truck stop and fill up. > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:31:59 -0700 From: "John Paul Broad" Subject: RE: Self serve Fuel Oooh! Oooh! Oooh! Tell me more! Tell me more! Seriously though, I am very interested in figuring out how to pump my own fuel down here in Corvallis. I've had soooo many problems with idiots trying to put gas in the 300TD, or dropping the cap (on its leash) onto the paint of my SLK instead of putting it in the cage, or (most recently) a local ape trying (without success) to slam the filling hose into the fuel-pipe while looking at the pump instead of the car! I've had it! To top it all off I have had only two experiences in two years where the "attendant" did not spill fuel on my car as well as on the ground! I've seen the "Pacific Pride" stations, there is even one here in town, and they don't have "attendants" at them so that looks interesting. Does anyone know anything about these guys, or for that matter any more information on how to get around this law (legally, of course)? Thanks in advance to all who may be able to help. John Paul John Paul Broad johnpaul-at-mbca-portland.org 1999 SLK230 Manual 4k "Junior" 1982 300TD 162k "Giesela" Member: MBCA Portland, OR "If you count on the worst and hope for the best you'll rarely be disappointed." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john Sent: April 26, 1999 7:01 PM To: John E Culver Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Self serve Fuel When I'm down there I usually hit the cardlock / truckstops. I had to take a special "safety class" to be able to pump my own fuel (including gas) at the cardlock. :) john At 04:51 PM 4/26/99 -0700, you wrote: > >In Oregon you can pump your own Diesel fuel. I have been doing it sence >1986/ >Just pull into any truck stop and fill up. > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:54:17 -0700 From: john Subject: couldn't find it... I couldn't find that roll of underhood insulation in my shop... I think I either used it in a project a few months ago or the %$#-at-& mice got into it and I threw it out... Either way I'm curious about the soundproofing idea and will get some more. :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:12:41 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Subject: rust, traffic and weather At 09:35 AM 4/27/99 +0000, Tony Wirtel wrote: >Wow. I'm depressed; between rust, bad roads and traffic you've got the better >environment, hands down!!! You mean besides the 9 months of rain? Sure, we don't rust, we mold... :) BUT, wait a minute... Remember what Snohomish means in Indian... :) Snohomish is (probably) an old Indian expression for bad roads with NO shoulders... Traffic??? We have the MOST CONGESTED FREEWAY system of anyplace in the country. We also rank in the top 7 as having the worst traffic overall. There are only 3 north-south routes through this area for over 2 million people!!!! I-5, I-405 and a stop light ridden Hwy 99. That's it. Water elsewhere... In fact, unless you drive around about 30 miles you have only TWO FLOATING bridges connecting the east side (Bellevue) and Seattle... I took a cut in pay to commute past dairy farms and to avoid ALL freeways. :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:21:28 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: Self serve Fuel Call the 1.800 number at the Pacific Pride cardlock... I've probably filled up at the one down there. :) (if you can't find it I'll dig it out of my wallet... :) They handle fleet and commercial accounts. Use a business name when you apply. You may have to read some safety information and sign papers. :) IF you pay within two weeks you get a discount even. I've driven the entire coast and over to Las Vegas using the card locks... :) john At 09:31 PM 4/26/99 -0700, John Paul Broad wrote: >Oooh! Oooh! Oooh! > >Tell me more! Tell me more! > >Seriously though, I am very interested in figuring out how to pump my own fuel >down here in Corvallis. I've had soooo many problems with idiots trying to put >gas in the 300TD, or dropping the cap (on its leash) onto the paint of my SLK >instead of putting it in the cage, or (most recently) a local ape trying >(without success) to slam the filling hose into the fuel-pipe while looking at >the pump instead of the car! I've had it! To top it all off I have had only >two experiences in two years where the "attendant" did not spill fuel on my car >as well as on the ground! > >I've seen the "Pacific Pride" stations, there is even one here in town, and they >don't have "attendants" at them so that looks interesting. Does anyone know >anything about these guys, or for that matter any more information on how to get >around this law (legally, of course)? > >Thanks in advance to all who may be able to help. > >John Paul > >John Paul Broad johnpaul-at-mbca-portland.org >1999 SLK230 Manual 4k "Junior" >1982 300TD 162k "Giesela" >Member: MBCA Portland, OR >"If you count on the worst and hope for the best you'll rarely be disappointed." > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of john >Sent: April 26, 1999 7:01 PM >To: John E Culver >Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: Re: Self serve Fuel > > >When I'm down there I usually hit the cardlock / truckstops. >I had to take a special "safety class" to be able to pump my >own fuel (including gas) at the cardlock. :) > >john > > >At 04:51 PM 4/26/99 -0700, you wrote: >> >>In Oregon you can pump your own Diesel fuel. I have been doing it sence >>1986/ >>Just pull into any truck stop and fill up. >> >> >----------------------------------------------------- > john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com > http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john > http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >----------------------------------------------------- > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:11:22 -0700 From: "John Paul Broad" Subject: RE: Self serve Fuel Shhhwing!!! I checked out www.pacificpride.com and filled out the online request form last night. Got an email from them saying that they are sending the full application via snail-mail, so I guess they didn't get all the info they needed (or, maybe it is just because of the Oregon pumping crap). Anyway, I'm looking forward to pumping my own again! Just this morning I, AGAIN, had someone try to tell me that my 300TD takes gas and not diesel (even though, as we all know, it says Diesel Fuel Only on the fill cover)!!! ARRRGGGHHH! Don't these "attendants" have to at least have a fundamental understanding of the English language? ;) Thanks to all for the advice. Hopefully this PacificPride thing will take care of my problems. John Paul John Paul Broad johnpaul-at-mbca-portland.org 1999 SLK230 Manual 4k "Junior" 1982 300TD 162k "Giesela" Member: MBCA Portland, OR "If you count on the worst and hope for the best you'll rarely be disappointed." - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-virtual-cafe.com] Sent: April 27, 1999 8:21 AM To: John Paul Broad Cc: Mercedes Diesel Email List Subject: RE: Self serve Fuel Call the 1.800 number at the Pacific Pride cardlock... I've probably filled up at the one down there. :) (if you can't find it I'll dig it out of my wallet... :) They handle fleet and commercial accounts. Use a business name when you apply. You may have to read some safety information and sign papers. :) IF you pay within two weeks you get a discount even. I've driven the entire coast and over to Las Vegas using the card locks... :) john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:56:02 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: RE: Self serve Fuel and other Northwest issues On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, John Paul Broad wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:11:22 -0700 > it is just because of the Oregon pumping crap). Anyway, I'm looking forward to > pumping my own again! Just this morning I, AGAIN, had someone try to tell me > that my 300TD takes gas and not diesel (even though, as we all know, it says > Diesel Fuel Only on the fill cover)!!! ARRRGGGHHH! Don't these "attendants" > have to at least have a fundamental understanding of the English language? ;) > Thanks to all for the advice. > Hopefully this PacificPride thing will take care of my problems. > John Paul You should have let him... Then his company can pay for a new engine, injection pump and so on... :) Full Service is non-existent up here. Oh, there are a few places, but you pay $0.40 MORE per gallon to get it! I'm really happy to see the pay at the pump card things at Texaco and Shell... my wife didn't like walking in to pay for fuel so she'd use the full service... or have me fill the cars... :) You know they defeated the ballot issue a few years back to eliminate the full service thing in Oregon. The arguments put forth by the union on behalf of gas station attendants was ludicrous!!! :) I remember reading some editorials in various automotive journals describing the horrors of gas stations being blown up in various parts of the country because people filling their own cars... ...of course it was make believe, tongue-in-cheek, silliness to make a point. The writer was really, really peeved that after driving all the way across the country, filing his own tank everywhere else, he had to have his car filled by someone in Oregon... :) FWIW, Oregon has the 17th highest income tax as well. :) They do have low vehicle tags though... Property taxes are also very high. but NO sales tax! When I moved to Washington in 85 I figured I was saving about $1,500 a year in taxes. I recalculated in 96 and found I was saving about $500 a year. Oregon has WONDERFUL roads and is a great place. I've lived in Troutdale, Klamath Falls and Portland. Portland has changed a lot since 85... it's not as nice as it used to be... too many Californians moved there I guess... :) Oregon is openly hostile toward Californians... :) The saying "keep Oregon green" was part of that... :) It's been rumored that there were billboards across the stateline that said: "Welcome to Oregon, now go home." :) Just remember, it rains 9 months out of the year up here... WE have the LEAST amount of Sunshine in America... Terrible traffic, bad roads and so on... Unfortunately, y'all ain't listening... as we're one of the fastest growing places in the country. :( ttyl, john ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: Subject: 190, 300 On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Tony Wirtel wrote: > I don't know about the milage, just that to drive it like you would need to in > MY jungle 40MPG would be a dream..you'd have to flog the car pretty good. I saw one at a Texaco station, the gal said 44mpg, with an AT and ac! > Maybe 40MPG w/stick and on the highway, although I've thought that my TD would > likely do 30-32 easy with a 5-speed; there seems to be an AWFUL lot of power > lost through the tranny. My TD had recently sunk down to 23-23.5 MPG, but has Fritz gets about 22-24mpg around here... daily trip starts at 350 feet, drops to sea level (within a mile), back up to 600 feet, back down to sea level, back up to 600 feet, then back down to 350 feet... :) On a road trip between here and Portland I've seen 27mpg... The Automatics don't lose much at highway speeds... > been about 2 higher since replacing the air filter. My mechanic says they're > REALLY sensitive to air filters plugging, even though it only had 13k on it, > and it wasn't really oily. I've also wondered about any improvement in > breathing by changing the opening at the front lip of the hood to one thats > larger. on the European Diesels I've never seen any improvement with modifications to air intake. They are designed well from the start. You might consider the AMSOIL air filter, breathes and filters better... > > But parts are not as plentiful for the 190's as for the 123's. hehe... out of the 59 vehicles I've owned, I've never had a problem... if I can't find 'em, I modify or make 'em. :) Ever try to find parts for a 63 Scout? a 72 Jeepster Commando? any year Wagoneer? :) I'm ready for my 190D now... :) > > If you follow the MB group I've heard of stories where people have bought > 190d's for cheap thinking the motor was blown and finding out that only the > head gasket was shot...$100 repair, give or take. One guy got one for > something like 600 bucks that, except for this problem, was in great shape. > Now, If I ended up as lucky, YES I'd go for the 190!! In a heartbeat. wow. I should read the papers more often... :) a $100 repair??? the part maybe... is it overhead cam? Man... I've got to start looking for my $600 190d... :) john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com **** Snohomish, Washington USA don't leave life without jesus, please... http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://wagoneers.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:56:13 -0400 From: "Jeff Domogala" Subject: RE: Self serve Fuel and other Northwest issues New Jersey won't let you fill your own car... The people I've talked to when filling in Jersey told me that it was the insurance companies who forced the mandate. I'm not 100% sure if the state actually has a law, but it seems that way. I've never pressed the issue with any station to fill my own tank. Jeff ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #132 *********************************