From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #153 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Tuesday, June 15 1999 Volume 01 : Number 153 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: 1984 190D Re: 1984 190D flywheel Re: flywheel -- same research, same result. Re: flywheel FW: Health Fact - self-CPR (fwd) RE: flywheel -- same research, same result. dust shields Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:12:05 -0500 From: "Jon Filina" Subject: Re: 1984 190D John, check this site: http://www.realtime.net/~drl/mercedes.htm From there, go to the archives and use the search engine to look for "1984 190D". You'll see a bunch of messages that will give you an idea of what you'd be looking at. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 20:55:24 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: 1984 190D thanx jon... I tried to hook up with the guy in West Seattle this evening... but didn't coordinate it well enough, his girl friend had taken the car... I was down there looking at a carb for my 77 Wagoneer... turned out to be junk as well... didn't get to see the benz, but based on what you're saying, and what I've heard before, sounds like it worked out ok. :) my wife really likes ours, so I guess I'm not terribly motivated to get rid of fritz at this point... and she won't get rid of the little wagoneer either... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john 77 Wagoneer (SJ) - 81 MB 300D (123) - 88 wagoneer (xj) jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:45:29 -0400 From: "S.D.Byers" Subject: flywheel So I have a 1975 OM617.91 that came from an automatic gearbox wrecked 300D and is going to be mated shortly to a manual gearbox in another vehicle. Hence I need to take off the automatic pattern flywheel and put on a manual version, with the nice smooth face for the clutch. Now the service manual for the OM617 states that when a new flywheel is put on it must be the same balance as the old one on a special tool thingy. The engines are actually balanced as a whole upon manufacture, hence this balance is worth preserving when any new parts are put on. I have a picture of it being done (the flywheel matching that is). Very few people around here seem to be able to do that. The Mercedes dealer service department will not do it even, and that shocked me. Maybe they only do pointless things like replacing electric window motors etc. Q's Has anybody done this? Does anybody know a place to do it in the North NJ/NYC area? Does anybody have a good source for a manual transmission flywheel, used is fine if it is complete and in OK order. I have been told that the ideal flywheel to get is actually that from the light truck application of the OM617, rather than the car version. Any hints on that? Allegedly the truck one is thinner. More details available if reqd, this is part of a large and silly scheme. Simon Byers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:14:14 -0500 (CDT) From: matthew j mason Subject: Re: flywheel -- same research, same result. Simon: Oh, how I can sympathize... :) You'll recall that I'm in the hunt for a new engine for my '80 240D, and will probably end up getting a crate engine from the dealer, configured the same way as the original... I had hoped, for a while, to find a 300D to throw in the 123 body, but had hoped to maintain my manual transmission setup. I was told by the dealer local to my family's home (the closest dealer to them is Estate Motors in Goldens Bridge, NY, off I-684) that the flywheels and engines are, as you say, balanced as a whole, and they weren't willing to do the work. My only recommendation is to look for an independent shop that specifically does Benz work, and that know their way around the transmissions... (I can recommend one near me [meaning in Iowa], but unfortunately I haven't done much looking in the NY/NJ area -- last time I was home, it wasn't a concern because we did the work on the MBs ourselves.) Sorry for the lack of useful content here, but if nothing else, now you know that the work you're looking for is something that the Benz dealers probably won't touch. And the drawback to an indie shop is that it won't be cheap. Good luck... On a related note, for the rest of the list -- I've started looking into some night-school or weekend classes out here on the mechanics of diesel engines. So, while I'm finishing out the B.A. in English, and secondary-school Certification to teach English in Iowa, maybe I'll work toward an Associate's in auto mechanics... I can see it all now: English teacher, auto shop teacher, fencing coach... an eclectic resume, to say the least... ______________________________________________ Matthew J. Mason matthew-mason-at-uiowa.edu Colleges of Education and Liberal Arts University of Iowa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 08:49:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: Re: flywheel you might check with a local speed shop / engine rebuilder. They may be able to come up with some ideas on how to do it. john On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, S.D.Byers wrote: # #So I have a 1975 OM617.91 that came from an automatic gearbox wrecked 300D #and is going to be mated shortly to a manual gearbox in another vehicle. # #Hence I need to take off the automatic pattern flywheel and put on a #manual version, with the nice smooth face for the clutch. Now the service #manual for the OM617 states that when a new flywheel is put on it must be #the same balance as the old one on a special tool thingy. The engines are #actually balanced as a whole upon manufacture, hence this balance is #worth preserving when any new parts are put on. I have a picture #of it being done (the flywheel matching that is). # #Very few people around here seem to be able to do that. The Mercedes #dealer service department will not do it even, and that shocked me. #Maybe they only do pointless things like replacing electric window motors #etc. # # #Q's Has anybody done this? # Does anybody know a place to do it in the North NJ/NYC area? # Does anybody have a good source for a manual transmission #flywheel, used is fine if it is complete and in OK order. # # #I have been told that the ideal flywheel to get is actually that from the #light truck application of the OM617, rather than the car version. #Any hints on that? Allegedly the truck one is thinner. # # #More details available if reqd, this is part of a large and silly scheme. # # Simon Byers. # # # ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com **** Snohomish, Washington USA don't leave life without jesus, please... http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://wagoneers.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:39:50 -0700 (PDT) From: john Subject: FW: Health Fact - self-CPR (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE Let's say it's 4:17 p.m. and your driving home, alone of course. All of a sudden you start experiencing severe pain in your chest that starts to radiate out into your arm and up into your jaw. You are only about five miles from the hospital nearest you home, unfortunately you don't know if you'll be able to make it that far. What can you do? You've been trained in CPR but the guy that taught the course neglected to tell you how to perform it on yourself. The other evening I (not sure who "I" is... :) received an e-mail from Dave Guilliot that is a reprint of an article that was published in the news letter of Rochester General Hospital. It gives you a course of action should you find yourself alone and think that you are having a heart attack. Before passing it on to anyone else, (I didn't recognize the source) I felt it was necessary to get a more learned opinion as to the validity of the procedure so I dropped it off for Dr. Domangue (Plant Medical Director) to comment on. His comment was very brief: "You should do this." Therefore, below is the complete article as I received it. Again, Special thanks to Dave Guilliot for making us aware of this procedure. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - (Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart attack, this article seemed in order.) Without help the person whose heart stops beating properly and who begins to feel Faint, has only about 10 seconds left before losing consciousness. However, these victims can help themselves by coughing repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated about every two seconds without let up until help arrives, or until the heart is felt to be beating normally again. Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs and coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. The squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. In this way, heart attack victims can get to a phone and, between breaths, call for help. Tell as many other people as possible about this, it could save their lives! --from Health Cares, Rochester General Hospital via Chapter 240's newsletter AND THE BEAT GOES ON... (reprint from The Mended Hearts, Inc. publication, Heart Response) - ----------------------------------------------- thanx to Paul W. for passing this along... john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com **** Snohomish, Washington USA don't leave life without jesus, please... http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john http://wagoneers.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:46:15 -0400 From: "Jeff Domogala" Subject: RE: flywheel -- same research, same result. Matt, If you're looking for a rebuilt MB shortblock or engine, I used a place called Metric Automotive in California. I'll try to dig up the information tonight. I purchased a rebuilt shortblock for a 1970 240D a while back (over 10 years ago). The cost was low and they had the same warrantee as the MB dealers were offering. You had to return a rebuildable block or engine to get the core charge back. There may be other places like them out there as well. I tend to think that you'll get cooked by the price from an MB dealer. Ah Hah!! I found Metric on Switchboard. Here's their information: Metric Automotive 7630 Alabama Ave # 1, Canoga Park, CA 91304-6693 Phone: (818)712-9881 Later... Jeff > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of matthew j mason > Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 11:14 AM > To: S.D.Byers > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: flywheel -- same research, same result. > > > > Simon: > > Oh, how I can sympathize... :) You'll recall that I'm in the hunt for a > new engine for my '80 240D, and will probably end up getting a crate > engine from the dealer, configured the same way as the original... I had > hoped, for a while, to find a 300D to throw in the 123 body, but had hoped > to maintain my manual transmission setup. I was told by the dealer local > to my family's home (the closest dealer to them is Estate Motors in > Goldens Bridge, NY, off I-684) that the flywheels and engines are, as you > say, balanced as a whole, and they weren't willing to do the work. > > My only recommendation is to look for an independent shop that > specifically does Benz work, and that know their way around the > transmissions... (I can recommend one near me [meaning in Iowa], but > unfortunately I haven't done much looking in the NY/NJ area -- last time I > was home, it wasn't a concern because we did the work on the MBs > ourselves.) > > Sorry for the lack of useful content here, but if nothing else, now you > know that the work you're looking for is something that the Benz dealers > probably won't touch. And the drawback to an indie shop is that it won't > be cheap. Good luck... > > On a related note, for the rest of the list -- I've started looking into > some night-school or weekend classes out here on the mechanics of diesel > engines. So, while I'm finishing out the B.A. in English, and > secondary-school Certification to teach English in Iowa, maybe I'll work > toward an Associate's in auto mechanics... I can see it all now: English > teacher, auto shop teacher, fencing coach... an eclectic resume, to say > the least... > > > > ______________________________________________ > Matthew J. Mason > matthew-mason-at-uiowa.edu > Colleges of Education and Liberal Arts > University of Iowa > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:43:58 -0700 From: john Subject: dust shields I just got through washing Fritz tonight (hot day... it made it into the 80's!!!!) and noticed that the front rims were really dirty... I've seen those disc dust shields advertised and was wondering if they're worth it? anybody used 'em? do they affect the cooling of the brakes at all? john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john 77 Wagoneer (SJ) - 81 MB 300D (123) - 88 wagoneer (xj) jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #153 *********************************