From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #162 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Wednesday, June 30 1999 Volume 01 : Number 162 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: [MB] Thieves have no taste! H4 bulbs Re: H4 bulbs Re: H4 bulbs some history on the W123 can MY bumpers do that? Re: can MY bumpers do that? Re: can MY bumpers do that? Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 07:33:24 -0400 From: "M. Mitchell Marmel" Subject: Re: [MB] Thieves have no taste! At 2:04 AM -0400 6/27/99, Jon Filina wrote: >Three days later she was leaving her office to go home and sitting in the >parking lot was her 240D, with the keys in the ignition. > >It seems that the fine upstanding citizen who spirited away her car 3 days >earlier liked it even less than she! > >Some thieves have no taste... ROFL! Indeed... :) - -MMM- '68 Mercedes 220D "Rommel" '82 Nissan "Thunderbolt Greaseslapper" WdHek: "Zum Teufel, es laeuft!" MBCA Delaware Valley Section MBCA Virtual Section ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 15:00:41 -0700 From: john Subject: H4 bulbs The H4 bulbs I'm using in my IPF replacement headlights that work the best are the H4-83T, Super Jey Beam, 12V 60/55W, but produce 110/90 Watts of equivalent light. The nice thing about them is they use the same amount of current as the stock type bulbs, but produce a lot more light. I'm gonna switch out the Marine Blue bulbs I have in the little wagoneer next chance I get for a set of these. john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john 77 Wagoneer (SJ) - 81 MB 300D (123) - 88 wagoneer (xj) jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:11:21 -0500 From: "Jon Filina" Subject: Re: H4 bulbs John had seen the light and reported: > The H4 bulbs I'm using in my IPF replacement headlights that > work the best are the H4-83T, Super Jey Beam, 12V 60/55W, but > produce 110/90 Watts of equivalent light. Are you talking about Fritz's lighting? I would like to upgrade the headlights on Mathilde, but don't want to spend a bundle. The stock high beams are marginally acceptable, but the low end is too dim. Tell me more, please. Jon '81 240D 227,500 mi. Mathilde A bit dim watted on low beam... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 16:31:51 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: H4 bulbs At 06:11 PM 6/27/99 -0500, Jon Filina wrote: >John had seen the light and reported: > >> The H4 bulbs I'm using in my IPF replacement headlights that >> work the best are the H4-83T, Super Jey Beam, 12V 60/55W, but >> produce 110/90 Watts of equivalent light. > >Are you talking about Fritz's lighting? > >I would like to upgrade the headlights on Mathilde, but don't want to spend >a bundle. The stock high beams are marginally acceptable, but the low end >is too dim. > >Tell me more, please. > >Jon >'81 240D 227,500 mi. Mathilde A bit dim watted on low beam... yep. Those are the bulbs I'm running on Fritz. I have three different types of bulbs... one set on the little wagoneer... marine blue, supposed to be "high" output, but only marginally better than stock type halogens. The IPF units will take a variety of bulbs and I've been experimenting a bit with them. On Fritz I have the bulbs I mention, and really like them. I don't use my fog lights any more when the roads are wet. I can hardly tell they're on. How's that for an improvement over stock? :) I also have a set up higher wattage bulbs that require a plug in harness with relays so you don't burn up the stock wiring... couldn't fit the wiring through fritz's headlight buckets. :( I'll end up using them in the little wagoneer or the 77 Wagoneer... I haven't installed them on the little wagoneer because the headlight bucket on the passenger side was "modified" a bit during that unfortunate "tree-locker" incident in '97... :) Not to mention that the xj's electrical system isn't the sturdiest I've seen. Since the little wagoneer has power everything it's little alternator (95 or 100A version) seems to barely keep up with the a/c and such... So I'll probably use the relocation harness on the 77 and just get better bulbs for the little wagoneer. :) Either way, the quality of the IPF 7" replacement H4 units are better than the Hella or Bosch(Candella) units I've seen. They may cost a little more... depends on where you get them. A couple of the guys on the xj list are distributers of ARB products. ARB USA in Seattle is the importer. The quality of the lenses are impressive. Maybe it's my interest in optics and photography... I know the Bosch and Hella produce a good distribution of light and all that... but the IPF lenses are just so well done... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john 77 Wagoneer (SJ) - 81 MB 300D (123) - 88 wagoneer (xj) jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:30:17 -0700 From: john Subject: some history on the W123 http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/Technical/History_of_the_MB_W123_Diesels .html contributed by: Thorsten Windh=FCs=20 converted to html, more or less, by john... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com =20 http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john 77 Wagoneer (SJ) - 81 MB 300D (123) - 88 wagoneer (xj) jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 00:44:34 -0400 From: "Matthew J. Mason" Subject: can MY bumpers do that? I spotted a 123 (probably a 300D, though I couldn't tell) on the street today, in great shape... but what made me cringe was the amount of gear it was hauling... it was at rest, pulled over on a downtown street, and the trunk was so loaded down that the rear bumper couldn't have been more than 6 or 8 inches off the ground... to make matters worse, one of the medium-sized U-Haul trailers was attached and, from the looks on the faces of the passengers (who were at the time milling around it and hitting it in various places, no doubt to reassure themselves that it wasn't about to fly open), fairly well loaded itself. My question then -- is there a safe spot to attach a trailer hitch on our cars? I'm thinking that if it were attached directly to the bumper, depending on the condition of the bolts holding the rear bumper shocks to the sheet metal, the arrangement probably wouldn't last long... does anyone have hauling experience with 123s and/or special hitches? Also, I don't imagine that under such a heavy load, even the most spry 300D would make respectable mileage on the highway... (I can feel the flames coming, on that one...) :) - -- mjm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 23:53:48 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: can MY bumpers do that? At 12:44 AM 6/28/99 -0400, Matthew J. Mason wrote: > >My question then -- is there a safe spot to attach a trailer hitch on our >cars? I'm thinking that if it were attached directly to the bumper, >depending on the condition of the bolts holding the rear bumper shocks to >the sheet metal, the arrangement probably wouldn't last long... does anyone >have hauling experience with 123s and/or special hitches? my Olds Diesel had a hitch mounted to the bumper itself. It was rated at 2,000lbs. I pulled more than that with it. Of course that was american iron, overbuilt, but underengineered. I haven't crawled under that part of Fritz to study it yet. Either way, 2,000lbs off the rear bumper is feasible. I believe the mandatory tow hooks are attached to the bumper mounts as well, right? The thought of working a MB AT is not pleasant... estimates for an R&R and rebuild have been around 2.6K... I'll use my little wagoneer or 77 Wagoneer for towing thank you... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-virtual-cafe.com http://www.wagoneers.com http://www.virtual-cafe.com/~john 77 Wagoneer (SJ) - 81 MB 300D (123) - 88 wagoneer (xj) jesus, don't leave life without him, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 20:41:24 +0200 From: "Pieter Noorlander" Subject: Re: can MY bumpers do that? - ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht ----- Van: Matthew J. Mason Aan: Verzonden: maandag 28 juni 1999 6:44 Onderwerp: can MY bumpers do that? > My question then -- is there a safe spot to attach a trailer hitch on our > cars? I'm thinking that if it were attached directly to the bumper, > depending on the condition of the bolts holding the rear bumper shocks to > the sheet metal, the arrangement probably wouldn't last long... does anyone > have hauling experience with 123s and/or special hitches? > > Also, I don't imagine that under such a heavy load, even the most spry 300D > would make respectable mileage on the highway... (I can feel the flames > coming, on that one...) :) > > -- mjm > A hitch is one of the few luxury items on Hermann :) It was already there when I bought him. The hitch is welded to a very sturdy looking bar that is replacing the original bumper mount. This bar is bolted to the chassis with four big bolts. On each side of the bar is an extension thingy that goes through a hole into the rear of the chassis bar and is bolted there with two smaller bolts. Well this is very clear isn't it? :) I can send you a picture of it off list if you like. This is the setup on my T-model, but I suppose it's about the same on the sedan. Never towed anything heavy yet, but the manual that came with the hitch states this construction can handle 1700 kg (3750 lbs.). I don't know how much MB allows, though. Pieter '83 300TD - Hermann ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #162 *********************************