From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #293 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Monday, March 20 2000 Volume 01 : Number 293 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: mercedes 200d vs 230s Re: mercedes 200d vs 230s Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas..... importing Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: fuel prices and ideas... Re: Mercedes diesel Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 20:40:33 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: mercedes 200d vs 230s At 11:28 PM 3/18/00 EST, Eyesdark-at-aol.com wrote: >Came across your wed site - thought I would take >a chance you might be able to direct me... I'm looking >for a site that would have pictures of a 1966 200d and >a 1967 230s. What I'm trying to compare is the body >style, i.e. are they the same 'fin' style body. Any >thoughts? Thanks There is a site out there that has all that kind of stuff... I can't remember where it is, but I do have a page of links on my site somewhere in the http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz directory and there is one link to a site that has some incredible links... john ------------------------------------------------- http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps and Diesel Benz' don't rust, they mold... ------------------------------------------------- http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ (81 300D) ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:57:14 -0600 From: "Jon Filina" Subject: Re: mercedes 200d vs 230s A masked stranger asked: > At 11:28 PM 3/18/00 EST, Eyesdark-at-aol.com wrote: > >Came across your wed site - thought I would take > >a chance you might be able to direct me... I'm looking > >for a site that would have pictures of a 1966 200d and > >a 1967 230s. What I'm trying to compare is the body > >style, i.e. are they the same 'fin' style body. Any > >thoughts? Thanks Try Pete Hacker's site. He's got a ton of MB photos: http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/PHOTOLST.HTM Jon '81 240D 246,??? mi. "Mathilde" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 23:21:38 -0600 From: "Jon Filina" Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... John was missing his klatta-klatta-klatta and wrote: > I called on a $200 80 Vw wabbit diesel... needs body work... My question will > go something like this... will I get wet if I drive it in it's current > condition? > if it's no, the next question will be, check or cash? ;) My guess it's long > gone. I called on an 85 Jetta for $1800 and it was history... As you know, a diesel Wabbit is about as far from a 300D as you can get. But, a $200 Wabbit with a good engine is a pretty good deal. The engine alone is worth more than that! The '80 Rabbit had a 1.5 litre engine. They boosted it 100cc in '81 giving it a few more horses and a lot more torque. With my '81, I got 50+ mpg (mostly highway driving) for a 2 year period starting at about 50,000 miles. The worst mileage I got was around 42 when it had a blown head gasket.... If fuel prices stay the way they are, the Rabbit would be the car to have. Do a little body work to it and you could sell it for $1500! If the car is trash, but the engine is good, it will drop into any Rabbit ever built. I replaced the '81 engine after my son ran it about 15 miles without coolant (....) with one out of a '78. The '81 transaxle, transmission and accessories bolted right up to it. > I was trying to talk my wife into selling the little wagoneer for a nice > 300SD. :) > (the kids, both taller than me) didn't like the 300D because they didn't > fit so > well...) That puts the Rabbit out...even less headroom. > I've only got a 14 mile commute one way past the Dairy farms... my top speed > is about 35mph... so either way, I'm not too concerned. Let's see, 2 > gallons > a day... ;0 Strike two on the Rabbit! If that's all the further you're driving, you'll have an algae farm forming between your monthly fillups. ;-) Didn't you say you'd owned a diesel Rabbit in the past? If not, I can point out several things to look for before you buy it. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:33:30 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... At 11:21 PM 3/18/00 -0600, Jon Filina wrote: >John was missing his klatta-klatta-klatta and wrote: >>Strike two on the Rabbit! If that's all the further you're driving, you'll >have an algae farm forming between your monthly fillups. ;-) rofl... (I'm already growing the algae on top of my Jeeps... ;) >Didn't you say you'd owned a diesel Rabbit in the past? If not, I can point >out several things to look for before you buy it. >Jon I've had four or five... ;) my last one was an 80 with an 82 motor and 5spd in it! AWESOME! It'd spin the tires and bury the needle and when I didn't do that stuff give me over 45mpg! When I quit working in Bellevue (about 20 miles away, but it takes over an hour to get there in the morning and an hour and a half to get back) and started working in Everett again I bought the little wagoneer. :) Ideally I'd like to get a newer Turbo Diesel... but I don't want to give up my Jeeps either... ;) With a Rabbit I could afford to keep the J10 though. The Benz wasn't economical to justify keeping it an insuring it too... Besides, Fritz didn't like sitting around. It's funny. The Mercedes wants to be driven or it'll act up. My Full Size Wagoneers had to sit or if you'd drive them they'd act up. My J10 is the most reliable FSJ I've ever owned... Can hardly wait to get the economy up to the theoretical stock rating. ;) You know, I'd love to have a new car sometime... the new beetle with a turbo Diesel would be pretty cool... of course anything with a Turbo Diesel would be cool. ;) If fuel prices keep going up and don't come back down I'll definetly think about getting another Diesel, whether it's another Benz or another VW I'm not sure... If I could find an VW with an Automatic so my wife and daughter could drive it, then that would be the way to go... I suppose if I put an Automatic in Superdawg I'd be able to sell the little wagoneer and not leave the wife stranded... But she hates my J10 and wouldn't think of driving it... she barely likes to ride in it... oh well... She's just fussy I guess, she didn't like driving Fritz either, and she's not happy about all the noises the little wagoneer is making these days... too bad I can't afford $43K for a nice used E300 TD... ;) later, john - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com 67 J3000 (SJ) / 88 wagoneer ltd (xj) / 83 J10 stepside (SJ) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:42:39 EST From: Peloquinrl-at-aol.com Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... The reason I ended up with my '83 240D last spring was that I could not find a '85 - '92 diesel jetta here in Oregon or Washington. I had a '86 gas Jetta that I put about 80,000 miles on which I really loved. It was totalled when I was rear-ended by a full size chevy pickup with bald (he was cited) tires in icy conditions. The Jetta didn't even pop any glass, although it was about 6" shorter and the engine was against the firewall from hitting the jersey barrier. With the 240D I am getting 29 - 31 mpg (manual trans) on my 28 mile semi-rural commute, so I am very pleased. On a side note, when I was investigating the Jetta idea I found that GEX Int'l was selling brand new long blocks for the 1.9 liter diesel. They wanted $2300. Rod ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 21:51:18 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... At 12:42 AM 3/19/00 EST, Peloquinrl-at-aol.com wrote: >The reason I ended up with my '83 240D last spring was that I could not find >a '85 - '92 diesel jetta here in Oregon or Washington. I had a '86 gas Jetta >that I put about 80,000 miles on which I really loved. It was totalled when I >was rear-ended by a full size chevy pickup with bald (he was cited) tires in >icy conditions. The Jetta didn't even pop any glass, although it was about 6" >shorter and the engine was against the firewall from hitting the jersey >barrier. With the 240D I am getting 29 - 31 mpg (manual trans) on my 28 mile >semi-rural commute, so I am very pleased. > >On a side note, when I was investigating the Jetta idea I found that GEX >Int'l was selling brand new long blocks for the 1.9 liter diesel. They wanted >$2300. > >Rod wow... this 80 vw has a new engine too! for $200 it wouldn't require a body... it's probably gone though... it's a shop and the little nickel came out on wednesday... john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:16:52 -0600 From: "Jon Filina" Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... > >>Strike two on the Rabbit! If that's all the further you're driving, you'll > >have an algae farm forming between your monthly fillups. ;-) > > rofl... (I'm already growing the algae on top of my Jeeps... ;) Send it to Texas. People will think it's a vinyl top! > >Didn't you say you'd owned a diesel Rabbit in the past? If not, I can point > >out several things to look for before you buy it. > I've had four or five... ;) my last one was an 80 with an 82 motor > and 5spd in it! AWESOME! It'd spin the tires and bury the needle and > when I didn't do that stuff give me over 45mpg! > > Ideally I'd like to get a newer Turbo Diesel... but I don't want to give > up my Jeeps either... ;) My mechanic owns 2 or 3 older MB's. He recently bought a Jetta TDI with automatic transmission for his wife. She'd been having problems with her knees and had trouble pushing in the clutch. He loves the VW. When I mentioned that I hated working around the VW engine because of the tight spaces, he said the new TDI's had a lot more room. That comment comes from a mechanic who is not overly fond of the newer MB's. MB does is not currently importing a diesel model and, unless Uncle Sam really screws up the diesel market, VW may be the only company offering a good diesel here in the States for some time to come. > Besides, Fritz didn't like sitting around. My Rabbit wasn't fond of sitting, either. "Lil Toot" was parked for 2 1/2 years starting in 1990. When I went to get her into shape for my son to drive, I found out the wiring harness, under the battery tray, had decided to go in several separate ways. Also, the clutch disk had "married" the flywheel and was taking the line "till death do us part" way too seriously! It took my Dad's 50 year old soldering iron, which appeared to be able to get 2 I-beams to draw solder, to put the wires back together. I finally broke the clutch loose by winding her out in 1st, pushing in the clutch and slamming on the brakes. After killing the engine 3 or 4 times, she finally broke loose and was fine after that. I still need a backup to Mathilde. If I can't find a W123 wagon, I'm going to look for an old Rabbit diesel pickup. That would suit my needs pretty well. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 00:22:24 -0600 From: "Jon Filina" Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... > wow... this 80 vw has a new engine too! for $200 it wouldn't require a > body... > it's probably gone though... it's a shop and the little nickel came out on > wednesday... Jump on it QUICK! It's probably gone, but well worth checking into. It's small...you can hide it under a tarp behind the garage and the wife will never notice it.... ;-) Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 22:53:59 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... oh, she's suggested I get rid of my big old gas hog and get a rabbit... I can show her the economics of keeping both... ;) The fuel savings alone would cover the cost of insuring both rigs... ;) john At 12:22 AM 3/19/00 -0600, you wrote: >> wow... this 80 vw has a new engine too! for $200 it wouldn't require a >> body... >> it's probably gone though... it's a shop and the little nickel came out on >> wednesday... > >Jump on it QUICK! It's probably gone, but well worth checking into. > >It's small...you can hide it under a tarp behind the garage and the wife >will never notice it.... ;-) > >Jon > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 12:27:20 +0100 From: Thorsten Windhues Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... At 00:16 19.03.00 -0600, you wrote: ... > MB does is not >currently importing a diesel model and, unless Uncle Sam really screws up >the diesel market, VW may be the only company offering a good diesel here in >the States for some time to come. ... Why don't you buy a new MB diesel in Germany and import it? Merecedes has the new CDI Diesels. These engines are terrific. You can hardly hear the engine, tourqe and power are enourmus and although they are much bigger and heavier than the TDIs, they hardly use more fuel. Mercedes is becoming the leader of diesel technology again (as they were up to the 90s), and all the other companies start copying this technology. Thorsten ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 09:58:20 -0800 From: Robert Crawford Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... Grey market is often more work that it is worth, expect to spend at least the initial value of the auto federalizing it. Often the auto can never be made to meet US regs. Thorsten Windhues wrote: > > Why don't you buy a new MB diesel in Germany and import it? Merecedes has > the new CDI Diesels. These engines are terrific. You can hardly hear the > engine, tourqe and power are enourmus and although they are much bigger and > heavier than the TDIs, they hardly use more fuel. Mercedes is becoming the > leader of diesel technology again (as they were up to the 90s), and all the > other companies start copying this technology. > > Thorsten - -- Robert Crawford robertc-at-snowcrest.net www.snowcrest.net/robertc Linux and vi, the choice powertools of the next century. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:25:57 -0600 From: "Jon Filina" Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... Thorsten offered a "fix" for the new diesel blues: > > MB does is not > >currently importing a diesel model and, unless Uncle Sam really screws up > >the diesel market, VW may be the only company offering a good diesel here in > >the States for some time to come. > ... > > Why don't you buy a new MB diesel in Germany and import it? Merecedes has > the new CDI Diesels. These engines are terrific. You can hardly hear the > engine, tourqe and power are enourmus and although they are much bigger and > heavier than the TDIs, they hardly use more fuel. Mercedes is becoming the > leader of diesel technology again (as they were up to the 90s), and all the > other companies start copying this technology. I'd forgot about that option. In 1978, I bought a '73 220 that had originally been purchased in the States and picked up in Europe. I don't know what, if any, modifications had to be made when it was brought back here. Does MB offer that program anymore? Also, Robert stole my second question. Will the European diesel meet US specs? From what I've read, MB is holding off importing their diesels until the government makes up their mind on diesel emissions, etc. MB did this back in 1990, also, which was the reason I ended up buying a new Jetta diesel. With the new cars costing as much or more than I paid for my house 20+ years ago, I am perfectly content with my old W123. If diesel prices go through the second ceiling, by US standards, I'll go the route John is currently exploring and pick up an older VW to use for my 100 mile commute and drive the 240D on weekends.... Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:07:39 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Jon Filina wrote: > I'd forgot about that option. In 1978, I bought a '73 220 that had > originally been purchased in the States and picked up in Europe. I don't > know what, if any, modifications had to be made when it was brought back > here. Does MB offer that program anymore? I saw it advertised recently but the deal is that you order a *US* spec model, pick it up in Germany, tour the country for a week or two in your new car, then drop it off someplace and MB takes care of shipping it to the US. I doubt you could get something not normally available in the US this way, but it might be worth checking. BMW has a handful of very highly praised diesel models on the other side of the pond too. Well, actually, just about every manufacturer sells diesel cars over there, and often diesels are available as on option on most of a manufacturer's product line. Very different than over here. According to a recent issue of "Diesel Car" magazine (a UK publication), some 45% of the French car market is diesel. The UK is around 18% but was as high as 24% a few years back. The relative poor market presence of Japanese cars has been credited to their lack of credible diesel models. Toyota (or was that Nissan?) has just started selling models with Peugeot HDI engines as a stopgap until they get their own diesel up to snuff. Yes, life is much more interesting for a diesel enthusiast in Europe. Of course they have an incentive as fuel (diesel or petrol) is in the neighborhood of $5/gallon (in the UK at least). - -john (in search of an 84 or 85 300D) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:12:23 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Robert Crawford wrote: > Grey market is often more work that it is worth, expect to spend at > least the initial value of the auto federalizing it. Often the auto can > never be made to meet US regs. US Customs has a list (sorry, no reference handy but it is online somewhere) of foreign spec cars that are approved for (relatively) hassle-free import to the US. It generally only includes models very similar to ones available here. - -john ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 17:34:17 -0500 From: "S.D.Byers" Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas..... importing You have many options: Get lucky and it can be brought in just like that as it is on a list of "cars similar enough to US models". Do the bringing up to spec thing. This is costly and involves dealing with some people who may be very corrupt. You can bring any car bonded under certain circumstances. Usually only for a year or so. So Thorsten, if you worked here for a year you could bring your car after paying bond of twice its value to the customs people, you might then do a switcharoo, but that is naughty. If a car is 25 years old or more it can come in no question. No EPA, no DOT, just steam cleaning by the Ag people. If you take the engine, lights, gearbox, exhaust, seatblets etc off, you can bring any car in. however old. Bring in the stuff you took off as parts through a different channel and reunite them once here to rform the car. Register it as a kit car maybe? If it runs on alternative fuels you can bring more or less anything in. Note that most benz diesels will run on canola oil with little or no modification. You have to check out what the US DOT thinks is an alternative fuel for the year in which the car was made. You can bring any vehicle to Canada after only 15years, or maybe even 10, once there you can swap identities (depending on the car) to make it old enough to get in. This is not legal, dont't try it, there are many cars siezed this way. If it seats 12 with seating and belts for all 12 and obeys a couple of other details some states will let you bring it in as a bus. For example a Merecedes 208D thing. The 25 year rule is the one that I have seen done the most. I have encountered examples of the up-to-spec method also. I have also seen examples of the "swap titles in Canada" type. Many things are possible. SDB ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:43:00 -0600 From: "Jon Filina" Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... Indiana John pointed out: > I saw it advertised recently but the deal is that you order a > *US* spec model, pick it up in Germany, tour the country for a > week or two in your new car, then drop it off someplace and MB > takes care of shipping it to the US. That's what I thought. I assume the '73 220 I had was the US model and required no additional modifications to meet the requirements here in the States. > I doubt you could get something not normally available in the > US this way, but it might be worth checking. > Yes, life is much more interesting for a > diesel enthusiast in Europe. > > Of course they have an incentive as fuel (diesel or petrol) is in > the neighborhood of $5/gallon (in the UK at least). [PTUI!!] $5/gallon!!!! At that price, I'd be looking for a good used bicycle or a moped if I was in a spendthrift mood. It would have to be diesel, of course.... Now that I think about it, there is a pipeline about 20 feet away from where I'm sitting. The pipeline company has an easement on my property for this line. It's about 4 or 5 feet down.....you think they'd mind if I tapped it? I understand they are running diesel though it. Let's see...free fuel for my 240D...export a few hundred gallons a month to the UK... HEY, Mista Meister...this is your list...you wanna cut o' da action??? ;-) Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:36:01 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... At 05:07 PM 3/19/00 -0500, jfieber-at-indiana.edu wrote: >Very different than over here. According to a recent issue of >"Diesel Car" magazine (a UK publication), some 45% of the French How does one get a copy of that magazine? Sounds like it would be enjoyable reading! I wish Benz or Jeep had a Diesel powered unit in 4x4 that was affordable and available... :( (the gelandwagen is really neither... I'd have less trouble finding a UNIMOG! of course my wife hates my J10 Stepside, she'd rather walk than ride in a UNIMOG... ;) Besides, UNIMOG's aren't exactly economy cars... rofl... john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:40:18 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... I was talking to a canadian friend today about bringing down a MB 300 Turbo Diesel engine by itself... it's the same model as here without EPA stickers on it he says customs won't let him bring it over. He goes back and forth across the border on a regular basis and is often dragging Jeep parts back and forth... He declares parts both ways and pays the taxes on 'em even... When I suggested he put it under a tarp and bring it over for me he said no way, they'd impound his Jeep if they caught him. The only way around it would be to drive my Jeep up there and install it there and drive it back... ;) john At 05:12 PM 3/19/00 -0500, jfieber-at-indiana.edu wrote: >On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, Robert Crawford wrote: > >> Grey market is often more work that it is worth, expect to spend at >> least the initial value of the auto federalizing it. Often the auto can >> never be made to meet US regs. > >US Customs has a list (sorry, no reference handy but it is online >somewhere) of foreign spec cars that are approved for >(relatively) hassle-free import to the US. It generally only >includes models very similar to ones available here. > >-john > > - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 15:45:14 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... At 04:43 PM 3/19/00 -0600, Jon Filina wrote: >Indiana John pointed out: >line. It's about 4 or 5 feet down.....you think they'd mind if I tapped it? >I understand they are running diesel though it. Let's see...free fuel for >my 240D...export a few hundred gallons a month to the UK... HEY, Mista >Meister...this is your list...you wanna cut o' da action??? >>;-) >>Jon the shipping costs would be prohibitive... ;) What you need to do is live near a powerline and place a big coil in a barn and draw your power that way... of course they'll find you and throw you in the slammer... ;) I wouldn't recommend tapping into that fuel line unless you were ready to deal with some high pressures... otherwise you'll feel like Jed Clampett... ;) john - ----------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 18:50:41 -0500 (EST) From: Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, john wrote: > At 05:07 PM 3/19/00 -0500, jfieber-at-indiana.edu wrote: > >Very different than over here. According to a recent issue of > >"Diesel Car" magazine (a UK publication), some 45% of the French > > How does one get a copy of that magazine? Sounds like it would be > enjoyable reading! It is enjoyable. The subtitle is something like "The only guide to clean and efficient motoring". Some of the advice given in the "Dr. Diesel" column is a bit dubious at times. You could probably subscribe but they don't seem to have a web presence and I just gave away the last copy I got so I don't have subscription info handy. I pick one up every time I go to the UK. (Which is fairly often since the wife is in Scotland for a year doing doctoral research where, incidentally, we bought a petrol car instead of a diesel and now I'm wondering why.) > I wish Benz or Jeep had a Diesel powered unit in 4x4 that was affordable > and available... :( Diesel Land Rover are all over the place in the UK. Oh, you did say affordable didn't you. Oh well. (random footnote: As of a week or two ago Land Rover is owned by Ford instead of BMW.) - -john ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 16:09:19 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: fuel prices and ideas... At 06:50 PM 3/19/00 -0500, jfieber-at-indiana.edu wrote: >On Sun, 19 Mar 2000, john wrote: >> I wish Benz or Jeep had a Diesel powered unit in 4x4 that was affordable >> and available... :( > >Diesel Land Rover are all over the place in the UK. >Oh, you did say affordable didn't you. Oh well. > >(random footnote: As of a week or two ago Land Rover is owned by >Ford instead of BMW.) >-john I've had several Diesel rigs... oddly enough I wasn't even the slight bit interested in Diesels when I lived in Germany... One of my hausmeister's had one, pretty snappy little rabbit... (this was in 1978). I did drive a large bus while I was over there... it was pretty easy... just put it between the lines. the lines showed up nicely in both mirrors. :) Of course it was a Diesel. Cruising at 50mph on the Autobahn is ordinarily a scary event... but not sitting on top of one of those buses... :) john - ----------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com http://www.wagoneers.com 67 J3000 (SJ) / 88 wagoneer ltd (xj) / 83 J10 stepside (SJ) http://wagoneers.com/johns-vehicles.html http://www.wagoneers.com/book-info.html Snohomish, WA, where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ----------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 21:10:24 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: Mercedes diesel At 10:40 PM 3/19/00 -0600, JRBell-at-dstsystems.com wrote: >John: >I am planning on installing a 300D motor in a CJ. >What trans adaptors do you know of for this motor? >Thanks >Jim Bell I don't know of any... But I'll forward this to the Diesel-Benz list to see if anyone has any idea. john ============================================================================ ========== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to any of the lists to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). Please do not send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text to the lists. 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