From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-krusty-motorsports.com Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #330 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Thursday, June 1 2000 Volume 01 : Number 330 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: digest delay mode... Re: the 85 300D Turbo... Re: the 85 300D Turbo... Re: the 85 300D Turbo... dumb cruise amp question, maybe administrivia: notes on using this list Re: the 85 300D Turbo... RE: the 85 300D Turbo... RE: the 85 300D Turbo... Re: the 85 300D Turbo... RE: the 85 300D Turbo... Re: the 85 300D Turbo... Superdawg resting... 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Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:26:47 -0700 From: john Subject: digest delay mode... :) I fired off the last message and the digest showed up... btw, the paint looked good... here's a couple of quick snaps I took of it a while back... for some reason the guy just can't sell the thing. :) http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/rigs/85-300D-turbo-Lynnwood-WA/85benz-2. jpg http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/rigs/85-300D-turbo-Lynnwood-WA/85benz-1. jpg thanx for the feedback... I think I should do it. Especially since I can't build my garage... :( (setbacks, 20 ft from the easement, 30 feet from the drainfield... puts the place where I can build somewhere between the kitchen and the living room... (just kidding, but it does put it almost in front of the house... and I ain't paying $1,200 for a flippin' variance...) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 15:33:36 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: the 85 300D Turbo... At 03:18 PM 5/31/00 -0700, you wrote: >> Is there anything I should be looking for on this 85 300D Turbo? > > *** Trap Oxidizer! > > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) whazzthat? If the guy recently replaced the turbo is it safe to assume this has been checked/replaced??? If it has one is that a good thing? Should I crawl underneath with a "hot" wrench and fix this or add one? ;) john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:24:22 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: the 85 300D Turbo... can it be bypassed? I didn't see anything unusual under the hood, but I'll look again before buying. :) john At 04:12 PM 5/31/00 -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >> At 03:18 PM 5/31/00 -0700, you wrote: >> >> Is there anything I should be looking for on this 85 300D Turbo? >> > >> > *** Trap Oxidizer! >> > >> > - Jerry Kaidor ( jerry-at-tr2.com ) >> >> >> whazzthat? If the guy recently replaced the turbo is it >> safe to assume this has been checked/replaced??? If it >> has one is that a good thing? Should I crawl underneath >> with a "hot" wrench and fix this or add one? ;) > >*** Bad Thing! It's a big round cannister doodad that goes between >the exhaust manifold and the turbocharger. Specific to California >'85 300D's, but was sold in "11 Western States". Has a nasty habit >of 1) gumming up or 2)disintegrating internally and sending crap through >the turbo and destroying it. > > The trap oxidizers were all recalled by Mercedes. First, there was a >recall to replace them every 30K miles. Then a recall in 1997 to replace >them all with another gizmo called the "Oxidation Catalyst". > > You can see a bit of the thing in my picture > > http://63.193.114.85/merc/merc2.jpg. It's hiding under the >turbocharger. > > Do an Altavista search for "Trap Oxidizer". > > - Jerry > > > > > > - Jerry > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:48:16 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: the 85 300D Turbo... rofl... not sure I want to void my warranty... ;) I checked with the seller, it has almost 180,000 miles on it now. I didn't even ask about the oxidizer thing. :) Where does one get this test pipe? ;) john At 04:31 PM 5/31/00 -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >> can it be bypassed? I didn't see anything unusual >> under the hood, but I'll look again before buying. :) >> >*** Look UNDER the turbocharger. It's a big silver cannister about >a foot long and maybe 8 inches in diameter, with a bluntly pointed snout >leading to the corrugated SS hose to the EGR. > > It can be replaced with a straight "test pipe". Of course, that will >void your warrantee :-). > > - Jerry > > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:02:59 -0500 (CDT) From: matthew j mason Subject: dumb cruise amp question, maybe Okay, so I know we've been through the cruise amp wringer a hundred times before, but for some reason I can't remember what the group's concensus was on the following question: For the cruise control systems which are electrically controlled (as opposed to vacuum), are the cruise amp boxes: a) the same, b) different, or c) different but adaptable, ...for MANUAL transmissions vs. AUTOMATIC? ...(and is that your final answer?) ;) I've got an '80 240D, and a guy is parting out ANOTHER '80 240D, but I haven't had the chance to ask him whether he's got a manual or an automatic. I've got a manual, and I wonder if there's any hope that his cruise amp unit might work. Thanks one and all -- Matt Mason ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:45:03 -0400 From: Richard Welty Subject: administrivia: notes on using this list Digest.Net mailing list "Meta FAQ" These general notes on using Digest.Net mailing lists are posted on the 1st and 15th of each month. This file may be found on the web at http://www.digest.net/general-notes.txt [last revised 1/14/2000, rpw; update to special note on compuserve situation] Special Notes 1) messagemedia.com appears to have some significant spam issues, and are blocked from access to this server. 2) Compuserve has had several mail relays added to the Relay Spam Stopper; for this reason, Compuserve customers may have difficulty sending email to the server. The proper solution for this problem is for Compuserve to fix their mail servers. Compuserve apparently plans to fix this problem on or about 1/18/2000. 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What other lists are on digest.net? see http://www.digest.net/ for more information. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 09:30:23 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: the 85 300D Turbo... one of the first things I'll need to get is that CD that has the manuals on it. :) I also need to test drive the rig again before I decide... and then I'll look for that oxidizer... john At 05:13 PM 5/31/00 -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >> >> rofl... not sure I want to void my warranty... ;) >> >> I checked with the seller, it has almost 180,000 miles >> on it now. I didn't even ask about the oxidizer thing. :) >> >> Where does one get this test pipe? ;) >*** At your local custom exhaust shop. Well, there's supposed to be a >Mercedes one, but only available back East. I saw one on ebay, but it >was supposed to be for the 6-cylinder motor. Sure looked like it'd fit >a 300D, though. > > In all fairness, Mercedes is supposed to be on the hook to replace >these things FOR FREE. The new "oxidation catalyst" is supposedly much >better. > > - Jerry > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 09:25:43 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: the 85 300D Turbo... At 08:23 AM 6/1/00 -0600, John Bathory wrote: >The trap oxidizer was actually on the recall list from Benz they simply >removed these oxidizers. Sorry I can not remember where I ran across this >article. > Not a problem, the parts guys at the Benz dealer in Seattle will have the info and repair parts. That is one of the most wonderful things about having a Benz. I went in there looking for parts for my 75 240D... and they had the stuff! I can't tell you how much trouble I have with Jeep parts trying to find stuff... I've been very lucky with most of them... john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 10:45:16 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: the 85 300D Turbo... cool, thanx. from what I can recall the one I'm interested in doesn't have one... john At 11:34 AM 6/1/00 -0600, John Bathory wrote: >http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/trapoxr.HTM John try this link for a >view of the oxidizer. > >-----Original Message----- >From: john [mailto:john-at-wagoneers.com] >Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 9:26 AM >To: John Bathory >Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: RE: the 85 300D Turbo... > > >At 08:23 AM 6/1/00 -0600, John Bathory wrote: >>The trap oxidizer was actually on the recall list from Benz they simply >>removed these oxidizers. Sorry I can not remember where I ran across this >>article. >> > >Not a problem, the parts guys at the Benz dealer in Seattle will >have the info and repair parts. That is one of the most wonderful >things about having a Benz. I went in there looking for parts for >my 75 240D... and they had the stuff! I can't tell you how much >trouble I have with Jeep parts trying to find stuff... I've been >very lucky with most of them... > >john >------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg > SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 > ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > ------- > ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... >...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... > ------------------------------------------------------------- > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:23:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerome Kaidor Subject: Re: the 85 300D Turbo... > > cool, thanx. from what I can recall the one I'm interested > in doesn't have one... > > john > *** John, Don't be fooled, that picture is from a later Benz. In the 85's, the Trap Oxidizer is no doubt the same part, but it is HIDING UNDER THE TURBOCHARGER, not on top like in that picture!!!!!!!! - Jerry "I was fooled" Kaidor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 13:38:41 -0500 From: "Italiano, Joseph J" Subject: RE: the 85 300D Turbo... My 87 300 SDL had the larger (8 or 10 inch in diameter) trap oxidizer when I first got the vehicle in 1989. In 1997 I received a recall from MB. They replaced the large diameter trap oxidizer with a new design that was much smaller. It seemed I picked up about 15 HP, and I know I was getting about 3 MPG more with the new setup (22 mpg to 25 mpg). I've heard that the oxidizers were needed to pass california EPA, and eventually after 87, MB pulled their diesels off the US market because of their inability to meet California EPA requirements with their current designs. Don't know if that's completely true, but it sounds about right. Joe > ---------- > From: Jerome Kaidor[SMTP:jerryk-at-best.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 1:23 PM > To: john-at-wagoneers.com > Cc: jbathory-at-kilowatts.com; diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: the 85 300D Turbo... > > > > > cool, thanx. from what I can recall the one I'm interested > > in doesn't have one... > > > > john > > > > *** John, > > Don't be fooled, that picture is from a later Benz. In the 85's, the > Trap Oxidizer is no doubt the same part, but it is HIDING UNDER THE > TURBOCHARGER, not on top like in that picture!!!!!!!! > > - Jerry "I was fooled" Kaidor > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:16:51 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: the 85 300D Turbo... I could tell that it wasn't a 300D setup... but at least I can see the shape of it... :) thanx for pointing that out though. john At 11:23 AM 6/1/00 -0700, Jerome Kaidor wrote: >> >> cool, thanx. from what I can recall the one I'm interested >> in doesn't have one... >> >> john >> > >*** John, > > Don't be fooled, that picture is from a later Benz. In the 85's, the >Trap Oxidizer is no doubt the same part, but it is HIDING UNDER THE >TURBOCHARGER, not on top like in that picture!!!!!!!! > > - Jerry "I was fooled" Kaidor > - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 17:52:23 -0700 From: john Subject: Superdawg resting... Superdawg is back from the frontend doctor... no problems, simple alignment and tire pressure... he's resting comfortably in the dawghaus... :) Got the timing dialed in, I think. :) Gonna go and get some gas for the lawnmower and top off his tank. Gonna look at the benz tonight or tomorrow... the little wagoneer is making more strange noises... not sure what to do with it yet. I'm tired of it. I don't know if I want to go through the expense and hassle of rebuilding everything or not. Hard to decide. It has served us well. If I retire it as a family vehicle I can just use it for wheeling, which would be great... but we'll see... :) Ultimately I'd like to replace it with a Grand Cherokee, 4.0L and Quadradrive. :) Guess will have to wait for a few years to afford the WJ model. The Zj's are now becoming popular for folks, but I really don't like them. In the meantime I think the 85 300D Turbo Diesel will make an acceptable family vehicle for awhile. I was looking at the specs, quite a bit of horsepower/torque difference over the non-turbo 300D version from 81... http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/mercedes-diesels.html john - ------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.WAGONEERS.com/johnsjeeps.jpg SuperDawg, SuperPup (the little wagoneer), and the J3000 ...don't leave life without Jesus, please! Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... ------- ...be thou neither a sender nor a receiver of attachments... ...if thou usest a microsoft operating system or email program... ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #330 *********************************