From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #345 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Sunday, July 9 2000 Volume 01 : Number 345 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: 6 cylinder diesel RE: 6 cylinder diesel Re: 6 cylinder diesel RE: 6 cylinder diesel Wheel clearcoat stripping RE: 6 cylinder diesel Re: biodiesel Re: 300d for sale advise Re: biodiesel Re: biodiesel Re: 300d for sale advise Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:43:58 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: 6 cylinder diesel At 02:54 PM 7/7/00 -0700, John Damon damon.worldtrade-at-gte.net wrote: >>>> Around the year 1987 , Mercedes had a straight 6 Diesel engine, I believe in the 123 body or very similiar. Here in California the 5 cylinder was a bust and for a year or two the 6 cylinder made an appearance. Can you share any information on what this model was called, why the 6 cylinder diesel did not stay in the U.S. Mercedes line up and where possibly I might find used ones for sale. I live in California and most that I have seen(too late usually) are from out of state making me believe Mercedes did not actually make the 6 cylinder available in California due to the crazy regulation we have here. Thanks, I want to find a good one. <<<< I think you may be refering to the 3.5L Diesel... not sure. I'm cc'ing the DieselBenz list where someone might be able to help you. john ============================================================================ ========== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to any of the lists to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). Please do not send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text to the lists. 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I think the 6 cylinder diesel around 87-ish would have been available only in the 126 body SD sedans. I also agree with John's suspicion that these were the dreaded 3.5 motor. Lots of anecdotal evidence that this one did not hold up well. Cylinders would end up oval shaped when looking straight down into them. Not a good shape when the pistons are round. The 124 body, which replaced the 123 starting in 1986, occasionally offered diesel motors in the US. The 87 300D 2.5 turbo is supposed to be a nice one. One of Austin's best Benz wrenches drives one. Availability is spotty at best. Probably worse in CA. Emissions regs in the US were bad enough, and may hold part of the blame for the on-again, off-again availability of diesels in the US since 1986. California was worse. Even before 1986, California caused the nastiness known as the trap oxidizer on diesel benzes. Don't be afraid to look for Arizona/New Mexico/Texas cars if you're looking for one of these. Rust is not generally a problem on MBs from the 80's, but even less of a concern from this area. There may be a good 6-cylinder diesel motor from around 87, but I'm not sure. Just avoid the 3.5 liter 6-cylinder diesel from this time frame. Alec -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:44 PM To: John Damon Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: 6 cylinder diesel At 02:54 PM 7/7/00 -0700, John Damon damon.worldtrade-at-gte.net wrote: >>>> Around the year 1987 , Mercedes had a straight 6 Diesel engine, I believe in the 123 body or very similiar. Here in California the 5 cylinder was a bust and for a year or two the 6 cylinder made an appearance. Can you share any information on what this model was called, why the 6 cylinder diesel did not stay in the U.S. Mercedes line up and where possibly I might find used ones for sale. I live in California and most that I have seen(too late usually) are from out of state making me believe Mercedes did not actually make the 6 cylinder available in California due to the crazy regulation we have here. Thanks, I want to find a good one. <<<< I think you may be refering to the 3.5L Diesel... not sure. I'm cc'ing the DieselBenz list where someone might be able to help you. john ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:18:14 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: 6 cylinder diesel At 03:55 PM 7/7/00 -0700, John Damon wrote: >Thanks for your speedy replay, I am not looking just for the engine, I want >the whole car, a good one in good running condition. Thanks again I know. :) The problem is I'm not up to speed on the Diesel Benz models after '86. My previous experience and exposure has been to the 115 and 123 body styles and the 220d, 240d and 300d models. :) I'm interested in a newer model too. The guys on the Diesel Benz list steered me clear of a problem car (190D) and they mentioned the problems with the 3.5L... But I don't remember if there were good models in there or not. :) Keep me posted on what you find and I'll share it with the list if you don't subscribe. john > >----- Original Message ----- >From: john >To: John Damon >Cc: >Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 3:43 PM >Subject: Re: 6 cylinder diesel > > - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ http://www.wagoneers.com/think-about-this.html Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 16:20:28 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: 6 cylinder diesel At 06:09 PM 7/7/00 -0500, mmason wrote: >Wasn't this the 300TD/TE in the W124 body? There was one at auction on Ebay >not so long ago - I posted a note to the list. John, you may have it in the >archives on wagoneers.com... > >-- mjm don't know... I suppose John Damon could use the search engine on wagoneers.com for the Diesel Benz digest to locate it... I don't recall it, but I've been in the digest mode since I went to Florida in April... since Fritz has a new home not much point in me being in real time. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ http://www.wagoneers.com/think-about-this.html Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:19:40 -0400 From: "Chris Straut" Subject: Wheel clearcoat stripping The clearcoat on the wheels of my '85 300D is starting to come off in places, so I think it's time to re-clear these wheels. I can do the work myself, but I am concerned about stripping the old clearcoat.. Are these wheels made of some kind of alloy or are they silver-painted steel? I'm wondering if there is a silver coat of paint that has then been clearcoated, of if under the clearcoat there is bare metal. If it's the former, then I'm probably in trouble; the stripping chemicals will remove the silver as well as the clear. Any suggestions? Thanks everyone Chris Straut '85 300D, 82k Bridgeport, WV ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 20:04:57 -0700 (PDT) From: justin dobbs Subject: RE: 6 cylinder diesel Alec, Your analysis is pretty close! The 6-cylinder diesel was available in 1986 in the 3.0L version. This engine, the 603.96, was available on the 300D (w124 body) and 300SDL (w126 long body) cars. (I know this--I drive an '87 300D Turbo with the 3L 6 cyilnder. I have heard of head problems on this engine, but usually only when the vehicle is overheated. When properly cared for, this engine should NOT be a problem--rather, it should be a JOY to drive. Mine has 193.7k miles and still runs very strong, especially when compared to any 5-banger 81-85 diesel.) Here comes the part where my understanding is cloudy. I think the 3.5 came about in 1991 with the 350SDL. The 603 engined cars were not imported in 1988 or 1989. Not sure about 1990. In 1991 there was a 300D 2.5 turbo, which is a 5 cylinder version of the 603 with an electronically controlled turbo. Having never driven a 2.5T, I cannot report on the driving experience, but I believe they are quite fast. I think this is right. My w124 CDROM manual is two hours away :( Please post if you have corrections. Thanks, Justin Dobbs Justin Dobbs (jrd-at-jrd.com) The nice thing about Windows is - It does not just crash, it displays a dialog box and lets you press 'OK' first. (Arno Schaefer's .sig) On Fri, 7 Jul 2000, Alec Cordova wrote: > Don't know it all, but I'll try to add some value. This list needs a little > action anyway. > > 123 body was only made through 1985, and was only available in the US with > 4-cylinder 240D and 5-cylinder 300D diesel motors (plus 280 gas 6-banger). > > I think the 6 cylinder diesel around 87-ish would have been available only > in the 126 body SD sedans. I also agree with John's suspicion that these > were the dreaded 3.5 motor. Lots of anecdotal evidence that this one did not > hold up well. Cylinders would end up oval shaped when looking straight down > into them. Not a good shape when the pistons are round. > > The 124 body, which replaced the 123 starting in 1986, occasionally offered > diesel motors in the US. The 87 300D 2.5 turbo is supposed to be a nice one. > One of Austin's best Benz wrenches drives one. Availability is spotty at > best. Probably worse in CA. Emissions regs in the US were bad enough, and > may hold part of the blame for the on-again, off-again availability of > diesels in the US since 1986. California was worse. Even before 1986, > California caused the nastiness known as the trap oxidizer on diesel benzes. > > > Don't be afraid to look for Arizona/New Mexico/Texas cars if you're looking > for one of these. Rust is not generally a problem on MBs from the 80's, but > even less of a concern from this area. > > There may be a good 6-cylinder diesel motor from around 87, but I'm not > sure. Just avoid the 3.5 liter 6-cylinder diesel from this time frame. > > Alec > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net > [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 5:44 PM > To: John Damon > Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net > Subject: Re: 6 cylinder diesel > > At 02:54 PM 7/7/00 -0700, John Damon > damon.worldtrade-at-gte.net wrote: > >>>> > Around the year 1987 , Mercedes had a straight 6 Diesel > engine, I believe > in the 123 body or very similiar. Here in California the 5 > cylinder was a > bust and for a year or two the 6 cylinder made an > appearance. Can you > share any information on what this model was called, why the > 6 cylinder > diesel did not stay in the U.S. Mercedes line up and where > possibly I might > find used ones for sale. I live in California and most that > I have > seen(too late usually) are from out of state making me > believe Mercedes did > not actually make the 6 cylinder available in California due > to the crazy > regulation we have here. Thanks, I want to find a good one. > > <<<< > > I think you may be refering to the 3.5L Diesel... not sure. > I'm > cc'ing the DieselBenz list where someone might be able to > help you. > > john > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 08:52:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Youngquist Subject: Re: biodiesel On Sun, 2 Jul 2000, john wrote: > I've mainly run used vegetable oil and used motor oil in a couple of > my diesels before. The one thing that you'll need to do with any fuel > is make sure it's well filtered. What do you use to filter it? You need to filter it down to 2 microns or so to get everything that might clog your fuel filter; that's what's stopped me from doing it so far. I've been meaning to set myself up a filtering system that I can pour a few gallons of used motor oil into, and let it run through overnight or whatever. > There was a news article a few years ago about a couple of gals who > drove a chevy van with a 6.2L Diesel across the country using only > waste grease from restuarants. :) They cooked up a batch of biodiesel every night in the back of the van. There's a good book about the process by Joshua Tickell, that's available from amazon.com, among others. There's also a biodiesel mailing list; if anyone's interested, let me know and I'll post their website. One problem with running relatively high viscosity things like veggie oil & motor oil full strength is that the injection pump won't get lubricated, because the tolerances are too tight. If you mix them with thinner stuff like diesel fuel, you're OK on that score, but of course half the idea is to avoid diesel fuel altogether. On the other hand, 20 years ago I read an article in a farming magazine about a farmer in the midwest who grew soybeans, pressed the oil out, and ran his diesel tractor on it. At the time he'd been doing it for years with no apparent ill effects. Dan Youngquist Homestead Products Grain mills, water filters, lanterns, simple living & outdoors items http://www.teleport.com/~dany tel# 208-926-7137 / fax# 208-926-7139 / dany-at-teleport.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 09:48:16 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: 300d for sale advise At 08:50 AM 7/8/00 -0700, you wrote: >Dear John, > >I live in Los Angeles, and am selling my 1980 300D which is >really in great shape with a legit 126,000 miles on it. Straight >and clean. Any suggestions for posting it on the web to folks >who might be seeking exactly what I have? Thanks for your time >and your site. >>Best, >>Thomas well, you could probably share it with the Diesel Benz list, or put it on a variety of usenet groups, or Yahoo, or even ebay. If you have a picture of it on a webpage send the resolved URL to me and I'll forward it to the list. BTW, what color is it, and does it have the sunroof? :) john ============================================================================ ========== To subscribe to a list on digest.net, EMAIL majordomo-at-digest.net, no subject needed, in the body: subscribe [ fsj | xj | diesel-benz ] end (note: select only one of the options in the brackets) You will need to reply to an authentication message. Add a "-digest" to any of the lists to subscribe in the digest mode (messages are grouped, less traffic). Please do not send HTML, special characters, images, SPAM, attachments or stylized text to the lists. 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Thanks - RJLaue ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 14:43:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Youngquist Subject: Re: biodiesel On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, Richard J Laue wrote: > >[snip]......... There's also a biodiesel > >mailing list; if anyone's interested, let me know and I'll post their > >website. > > Please do post this website. Here ya go.. http://www.egroups.com/group/Biodiesel Dan Youngquist Homestead Products Grain mills, water filters, lanterns, simple living & outdoors items http://www.teleport.com/~dany tel# 208-926-7137 / fax# 208-926-7139 / dany-at-teleport.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:01:42 -0500 From: "Jon Filina" Subject: Re: 300d for sale advise John offered the following: > >I live in Los Angeles, and am selling my 1980 300D which is > >really in great shape with a legit 126,000 miles on it. Straight > >and clean. > BTW, what color is it, and does it have the sunroof? :) John, wipe the drool from your chin....it's not very becoming.... Jon ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #345 *********************************