From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #410 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Sunday, October 8 2000 Volume 01 : Number 410 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: RE: H4 headlamps RE: H4 headlamps RE: '75 300D works Re: '75 300D Starter Fluid Explanation Re: '75 300D Starter Fluid Explanation Re: A Turbo Question Re: diesel fuel conditioners and info Re: why is it raining in my trunk? Re: why is it raining in my trunk? RE: H4 headlamps RE: H4 headlamps Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:04:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Jacobs Subject: RE: H4 headlamps Are the H4 lamps the ones that have a beam that is very flat and then towards the right angles up to illuminate roadside signs and critters and stuff like that? Dopey Dan Vancouver, USA (Vancouver was here b4 Portland was!) - ------Original Message------ From: "john" To: Alec Cordova , Diesel-Benz List Sent: September 12, 2000 2:19:15 AM GMT Subject: RE: Foglight Pull-out, W123 If I can't get IPFs in the next couple of days I'll get a quote from him on Hella's. :) The H4 lamps are so much nicer... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Alec Cordova Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:19 PM To: john; Diesel-Benz List Subject: RE: Foglight Pull-out, W123 Not sure if he carries IPF. Good question, though. I think the ones he sent me were Hella's, or they may have been Cibie's. Been a little while. Probably Hella's. Glorious lighting, regardless of the brand name. Alec - -----Original Message----- rusty's got IPF? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 13:12:20 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: H4 headlamps At 04:04 PM 10/7/00 -0400, Dan Jacobs wrote: >Are the H4 lamps the ones that have a beam that is very flat and then >towards the right angles up to illuminate roadside signs and critters and >stuff like that? yep. The IPF, Hella, Bosch, and Candella all have the same European pattern. The IPF units have the best lens quality, with Hella, Bosch and Candella progressively "less". They all cost about the same. The Bosch and Candella units are the same from what I've been told, Candella is the italian maker of the bosch lenses. Since I'm selling the 300SD I'm not going through the expense of buying them.... both of my Jeeps have the IPF's though... holding up well. A friend drove up from Alabama and had the lens on his Hella's damaged by a rock... the lens isn't as thick as mine... blew both his bulbs so I sold him my replacement IPF bulbs that I was gonna use on mine, which meant I had to buy sylvannias until I could get the IPF Magic Green's, they were back ordered... noticeable difference between the two bulbs! john >Dopey Dan >Vancouver, USA >(Vancouver was here b4 Portland was!) > >------Original Message------ >From: "john" >To: Alec Cordova , Diesel-Benz List > >Sent: September 12, 2000 2:19:15 AM GMT >Subject: RE: Foglight Pull-out, W123 > > >If I can't get IPFs in the next couple of days I'll get a quote from him >on Hella's. :) The H4 lamps are so much nicer... :) > >john > >------------------------------------------------------ >http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ >Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... >Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------- > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net >[mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Alec Cordova >Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:19 PM >To: john; Diesel-Benz List >Subject: RE: Foglight Pull-out, W123 > > >Not sure if he carries IPF. Good question, though. >I think the ones he sent me were Hella's, or they may have been Cibie's. >Been a little while. Probably Hella's. Glorious lighting, regardless of the >brand name. > >Alec > >-----Original Message----- > >rusty's got IPF? - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:26:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Jacobs Subject: RE: '75 300D works The wires leading to the glow plugs will glow in low or no light on nearly all MBZ diesel engines. My mechanic told me that is one of the first things they check when diagnosing possible glow plug problems. Diesel Dan, the smoking car man - ------Original Message------ From: " " To: mercedes , diesel-benz Sent: September 15, 2000 11:40:24 AM GMT Subject: '75 300D works Well, as a follow up for my earlier writint, I am not sure exactly what part of what I did finally got it right, but now I have a self-starting car!!! This is nice, as I had a hose running into the passenger compartment into which I could spray starting fluid if necessary-went to the slot in the air cleaner housing. However, now it is lighting up the wires between glow plugs, turning off the glow plug light within about 30 seconds, and starting right up. My fingers are crossed that it will stay this way! - --- J. Michael Shaw, II .... Alameda, CA - --- docmikeii-at-earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 18:39:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Jacobs Subject: Re: '75 300D Starter Fluid Explanation On modern heavy trucks and heavy equipment, we don't even have to wait for glowplugs in most cases. I have a '98 Freightliner Century Class with a Cummins N14 engine set -at- 450 HP. There are explicit instructions NOT to use ANY starting fluid (ether) with this motor unless it is from a Cummins unit made for my application, and only if the motor will not start otherwise. If improperly used, ether can harm the engine, even if used only for an emergency. Spray very short bursts into the air cleaner intake. Never directly into the engine intake or carb throat, and if that does not help it after a couple of tries, stop. If the engine catches, then dies after a short time, your engine might not be getting fuel, and giving it more ether to keep it running may harm it. Detonatin' Dan, your learned the hard way not to use ether man in Van-couver USA - ------Original Message------ From: john To: docmikeii-at-earthlink.net Sent: September 15, 2000 8:48:41 PM GMT Subject: Re: '75 300D Starter Fluid Explanation >-->So, yes, Austin, it is supposed to be bad to use starting fluid in these! On heavy equipment they often have a setup to squirt starter fluid into the cylinder at a specific time to prevent this problem. Some trucks may have this setup as well... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:51:31 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: '75 300D Starter Fluid Explanation At 06:39 PM 10/7/00 -0400, Dan Jacobs wrote: >Spray very short bursts into the air cleaner intake. Never directly into >the engine intake or carb throat, and if that does not help it after a >couple of tries, stop. If the engine catches, then dies after a short time, >your engine might not be getting fuel, and giving it more ether to keep it >running may harm it. > >Detonatin' Dan, your learned the hard way not to use ether man in Van-couver >USA exactly, short bursts... :) so, do expand... :) wah happened? :) john my '83 300SD on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/aw-cgi/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=461175817&r=0&t=0 - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 19:48:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Jacobs Subject: Re: A Turbo Question - ------Original Message------ From: john To: B. K. Darnell Sent: September 24, 2000 8:54:25 PM GMT Subject: Re: A Turbo Question > >FYI --I did just replace a belt shock and tensioners, could the belts be too >tight? > >Thoughts? I think that since you had jst finished working on the belts, the problem is a loose belt. I get the same thing when my A/C belt needs tightening. Dangerous Dan, the not afraid to check the belts while wearing a necktie man, in Vancouver, not the one in Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 20:10:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Jacobs Subject: Re: diesel fuel conditioners and info FYI, modern low sulfur diesel has a cloud point of +20F (so I've been told). It will pour, but it is starting to get thick at that point. For anyone that lives in darn cold climates, I recommend Howes Lubricator Fuel Conditioner for two reasons. One, it does what is promises on the label. Two, if you buy a case, you'll find a little card in there. Fill it out and send it to them, and if your fuel gels while using their product, they will pay for the tow truck. I know that all the additives for diesel will probably do what they say on the label, but does Amsoil have as good a guarantee? The website is: http://www.thomasregister.com/olc/howeslube/home.htm Diesel Dan, the keep it running good in the winter truck drivin' man from Vancouver, yew-ess-ayy - ------Original Message------ From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Sent: September 29, 2000 11:08:27 AM GMT Subject: Re: diesel fuel concentrate and passes John, Now fuel system cleaners I'm interested in. Where do you suppose I can find Amsoil diesel fuel concentrate in the Wisconsin area? Local department stores? I'll try that right away. Thanks, Jim/ '83 240D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 20:36:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan Jacobs Subject: Re: why is it raining in my trunk? Were you parked nose downhill? If so , water will collect in the channel between the body and the seal and the trunk lid. When you open the trunk while still parked nose down, SPLASH! Drenched Dan, the everything is wet in my trunk man from beeoo-t-full Vancouver, USA - ------Original Message------ From: john To: rick-at-cc.northcoast.com Sent: October 1, 2000 2:20:22 AM GMT Subject: Re: why is it raining in my trunk? At 05:55 PM 9/30/00 -0700, rick wrote: >hey john, >look & see if there is some of that "Washington Salad" clogging up the >drains. :-) this one has only been up here maybe a year or so... ;) Came from sunny bakersfield... >not sure on that MB model but on my BMW (& others) & as i recall on the >240 ... there was/is a drain in the upper corners of the trunk surround. >(my 220D doesn't have this). I cleaned the trunk seal before... it's open and free... unless the water ran down the seal and up into the lid??? OR else the emblems on the back collected water... was a heavy rain... >do you have a sunroof (fogroof)? they got some weird drainage also. yeah, but don't they drain under the car? thanx, john > later, > rick - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." - ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 17:43:29 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: why is it raining in my trunk? At 08:36 PM 10/7/00 -0400, Dan Jacobs wrote: >Were you parked nose downhill? If so , water will collect in the channel >between the body and the seal and the trunk lid. When you open the trunk >while still parked nose down, SPLASH! > >Drenched Dan, the everything is wet in my trunk man from beeoo-t-full >Vancouver, USA dan, are you catching up with the rest of us?? It's like you've been in a time warp... my trunk dried out a couple of weeks ago. :) I found the problem, and fixed it... I was nose up at the time... sort of... :) So, can I expect you to come up and by my 300SD in a couple days when you get that far in the emails? Where ya been? :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:45:35 -0500 From: "Alec Cordova" Subject: RE: H4 headlamps I don't think it's the bulb itself that provides that lighting pattern. I believe it's the reflector and lens that do it. But yes, that's exactly what these lights will give you. I've seen it referred to as a European lighting pattern. Once you experience it, you'll understand why European cars have headlight aim adjusters inside. Changing loads in the back of the car would definitely require adjusting the lights with their distinct cutoff. - -----Original Message----- From: Dan Jacobs [mailto:kc7nol-at-juno.com] Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 3:05 PM To: john; Alec Cordova; Diesel-Benz List Subject: RE: H4 headlamps Are the H4 lamps the ones that have a beam that is very flat and then towards the right angles up to illuminate roadside signs and critters and stuff like that? Dopey Dan Vancouver, USA (Vancouver was here b4 Portland was!) - ------Original Message------ From: "john" To: Alec Cordova , Diesel-Benz List Sent: September 12, 2000 2:19:15 AM GMT Subject: RE: Foglight Pull-out, W123 If I can't get IPFs in the next couple of days I'll get a quote from him on Hella's. :) The H4 lamps are so much nicer... :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... Jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Alec Cordova Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 7:19 PM To: john; Diesel-Benz List Subject: RE: Foglight Pull-out, W123 Not sure if he carries IPF. Good question, though. I think the ones he sent me were Hella's, or they may have been Cibie's. Been a little while. Probably Hella's. Glorious lighting, regardless of the brand name. Alec - -----Original Message----- rusty's got IPF? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 13:31:08 -0700 From: john Subject: RE: H4 headlamps At 11:45 AM 10/8/00 -0500, Alec Cordova wrote: >Once you experience it, you'll understand why European cars have headlight >aim adjusters inside. huh? which ones? I've lived in Europe, owned European cars here and there and don't recall this feature. In fact, the headlight adjustment requirements for US cars required modifications to European cars. Please explain this one, and also recognize that my experience in Europe ended in 1981, so if it's new technology I'm clueless. :) And on the bulbs, the bulbs do make a difference for several reasons, one being the placement of the filament, does it fall into focus within the reflector and another is the length and quality of the filament and the inert gas inside, as well as the bulb quality itself. The Sylvannia H4 bulbs were noticeably different than the IPF bulbs. I'm sure any quality bulb would be different than the on-the-shelf-dot approved type. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #410 *********************************