From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #419 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Friday, October 27 2000 Volume 01 : Number 419 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Transmission Flares Re: 123 300D 240d Electrical update... Starting Woes - No click or anything prices 300SD 300SD tilt wheel? RE: 300SD tilt wheel? Re: Transmission Flares Re: Mercedes 300SD (1980) Starting problems Re: Starting Woes - No click or anything Re: Mercedes 300SD (1980) Starting problems RE: Starting Woes - No click or anything fast idle on a 300SD new to the list more 123 300D RE: fast idle on a 300SD RE: prices 300SD Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:53:00 -0700 From: Michael Frank Subject: Transmission Flares Well, now that I finally have the slug back on the road full time, I have a new problem...transmission flares. There was some discussion on the list about this recently. If anyone cares to repost the adjustment procedure, I'd be glad to put it up on my website, with full attribution, so that we need never be bored with the subject again. Mike Frank 1979 300CD New York ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:49:11 -0700 From: Michael Frank Subject: Re: 123 300D Ask away... Mike Frank 1979 300CD New York At 09:37 AM 10/26/00 -0400, S.D.Byers wrote: >Does anybody out there have a 123 chassis 300D NON-turbo? >I wish to ask you some questions about the glow setup and other things. > > > SDB ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:05:24 -0500 From: Jim & Barb Hoffman Subject: 240d Electrical update... Hi folks! Finally some list activity... Thanks SDB ;) As you may recall most of my fuse block is dead. No voltage in so no voltage out. I tried to remove the block from the engine compartment only to see that after I had it removed it was accessable from under the dash! So I removed the kick panel under the dash (was also able to push the dash out from the rear then!!) and looked at the fuse block from underneath. Everything "looks" fine. No wires disconnected that I can see. I notice a lot of "canisters" that have two rows of pins plugged into big connectors. Anyone know what those are? My main question is this... What are the best manuals for troubleshooting the 123 series cars? I'm going to invest in a/some manual/s but want to make sure I get manuals that include schematics, troubleshooting, etc. Someone had mention that they weren't happy with the manuals on CD that they had. CD would be nice but then you can't take them out to the car unless you want to chance diesel oil on your laptop :( That'd be a BAD thing! What are your recommendations???? Thanks, Jim/ '83 240d ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:44:28 -0600 From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Subject: Starting Woes - No click or anything I've been trying to get my 300SD (1980) started since Friday. Yesterday, I found this newsgroup on a web search, and I read through several articles on starting problems, which gave me some great ideas. I decided that my tack last night would be to start cleaning all of the ground wires and other electrical connections. When I got under the car (Yuck! sure is dirty under here) to check the ground between the transmission and the frame, I found that the transmission bolt holding the ground wire was missing, and the ground wire was just dangling from the frame. Here are the symptoms I've been seeing: When I go to start the car, the glow plug indicator light doesn't light up, and I don't get any response when I turn the key to start. Not even a click. Since Friday, the Battery appears to have gone completely dead. When I cleaned the battery connections and tried jumping it (albeit from very small cars relative to the 300SD), I would get the same reaction. So, I brought the battery home last night (the car is stuck at work) to charge it, and my plan is to try to start it with a freshly recharged battery, and limp it home so that I can work on replacing the transmission ground bolt. Will it start without the transmission ground wire attached? I assume that the bolt has been missing for quite some time, and the lack of ground has been gradually wearing down the battery, which would mean it would start without the wire....but I know very little about electricity, so before I try it, I'd like to get some feedback. This battery is only about 6 months old, so I'm hoping that I can revitalize it, otherwise, I may need to get it replaced.... Scott "newbie" Haaland ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:46:38 -0700 From: chris-at-califormula.com Subject: prices 300SD John, prices vary a lot here. Try http://www.traderpub.com then try different zip codes for the area you would like to see. Here in San Diego they vary a lot. One like yours would go for from 5000 to 6500. It really depends. You could get 7000 for a doctors garaged car. The last 1986 I had was 1900 dollars. Car was perfect, except... The previous owner was not a professional. So I had to take off the fuzzy steering wheel cover and the zebra seat covers. What this had done is protect the wheel and seats. They were cherry like we say here. The window tint came off without scratching the glass. I took off the air shocks and the after market wheels and whitewalls. Put the correct wheels and tires on. I ordered European headlights and vacuum light switch and I had a great car. I sold it for 5000 when I was done. 3400-3900 is the going rate on 300SDs right now here. But they are not as nice as yours. They do not have any rust at all though. And leather holds up well here. So does rubber and glass doesn't fog. This is the best place for buying perfect cars. They do get dinged up a lot. We have millions of people here and parking lots are very expensive. parking places are very small. I see very few cars without door dings. Only thing I notice here is the vinyl around the door windows and the rear corners on each side of the back glass come loose and need to be fixed. Shifter wood always looks bad. These cars have no cup holders so we dump our sodas all over the wood around the shifter. I think your car is worth what you are asking. But I also think you should keep it and dump the Jeep:) Friends don't let friends drive American cars... Chris in San Diego... Looking for a diesel car before they are illegal here... > >From: john >Subject: prices - 300SD > >No one responded to my query about relisting my 300SD on ebay... > >Anyway, one of the folks that contacted me mentioned that they were >selling in Denver for aroudn $4,500 or thereabouts... > >The problem with any vehicle from that area would be rust... as far as >I know they salt the roads there... it's got to be a problem. That and >the climate on the other side of the Rockies seems to encourage rust... >moreso toward the Mississippi... (seems like I have too many letters in >that one... ;) > >later, >john ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Youngquist Subject: 300SD tilt wheel? I'm still trying to figure out a way to get a 300SD. The problem is that my wife needs a tilt steering wheel because of a chronic pain problem. I understand 300SD's don't have them. Is there such a thing as a 300SD/SDL with a tilt wheel? Part of an option package, or after a certain year or something? Thanks, Dan Youngquist Homestead Products Grain mills, water filters, lanterns, simple living & outdoors items http://www.teleport.com/~dany tel# 208-926-7137 / fax# 208-926-7139 / dany-at-teleport.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:48:49 -0600 From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Subject: RE: 300SD tilt wheel? Dan, I know that my 1980 300SD doesn't have a tilt steering wheel....but I don't know about any options, etc...I don't even have the owner's manual! Scott - -----Original Message----- From: Dan Youngquist [mailto:dany-at-teleport.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 10:02 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: 300SD tilt wheel? I'm still trying to figure out a way to get a 300SD. The problem is that my wife needs a tilt steering wheel because of a chronic pain problem. I understand 300SD's don't have them. Is there such a thing as a 300SD/SDL with a tilt wheel? Part of an option package, or after a certain year or something? Thanks, Dan Youngquist Homestead Products Grain mills, water filters, lanterns, simple living & outdoors items http://www.teleport.com/~dany tel# 208-926-7137 / fax# 208-926-7139 / dany-at-teleport.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:58:15 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Transmission Flares that's what the digests are for in part, and why I put a search engine on wagoneers.com and a technical section... :) the guy that bought fritz is working on the details. I'll send it to the list and make a page on it. http://wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/ john At 09:53 AM 10/26/00 -0700, Michael Frank wrote: >Well, now that I finally have the slug back on the road full time, I have a >new problem...transmission flares. There was some discussion on the list >about this recently. If anyone cares to repost the adjustment procedure, >I'd be glad to put it up on my website, with full attribution, so that we >need never be bored with the subject again. > >Mike Frank >1979 300CD >New York - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:12:20 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Mercedes 300SD (1980) Starting problems scott, glad you found my pages. this sounds like a starter problem. It's as though the bendix isn't engaging properly or is sticking. The thing that tipped me off for sure is that if you let the car roll it'll sometimes catch. The starter is very easy to swap out. I'm trying to remember if the starter solenoid is on the starter or on the firewall... I think it's all self contained... after looking at and working on so many cars they tend to blur together. :) I think I went through this exact same problem with my 81 300D. I'm 99% sure it's the starter. john At 12:07 PM 10/25/00 -0600, scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: >Hi John, > >I am having problems starting my 300SD (1980) and so I thought I'd search >the web for any advice. I found what looks like a newsgroup with lots of >articles with your name on them. It appears that you have quite a bit of >knowledge about Diesel Mercedes, and I wanted to let you know that I'm going >to try some of the ideas that I got out of your articles. > >I've had intermittent problems with it starting, where it gets all ready to >start, glow plug indicator lights up and goes off when ready, then, in >anticipation, I turn the key only to be let down with absolutely nothing in >response. No click, nothing. Sometimes, if I just turn the key back and go >all the way through a couple of times it will fire up. Other times, I put >it into neutral, put my foot out the door and push it (or let it coast a few >inches on a hill), put it back into Park, and then it will fire up after a >one or two of these rituals. My brother-in-law, whom I bought the car from >seems to think that the starting problem is related to a sensor on the >transmission, which tells the ignition system that it is in Park, so let the >operator start the car. I've even crawled under the car and wiggled the >electrical wire plug going into the transmission to get it to start. This >USUALLY does the trick, if the key turning ritual and the >Park-to-Neutral-to-Park ritual doesn't work. > >Now, this wiring wiggling ritual isn't even working! I'm guessing that it's >some electrical problem, so I'm going to check all the ground wires and >ignition switch wires as you suggested in one of your articles. The thing >that worries me the most is that the symptoms are slightly different this >time. The glow plug light doesn't come on at all, and the blinker lights >stay lit up for a while (~20 seconds) after I turn off the key and take it >out. The whole dash lighting sequence seems confused and something seems >very wrong. I'm hoping that it is a ground wire problem or loose connection >somewhere. I'm going to try taking the transmission sensor plug completely >off, and spraying it with WD-40...I don't have an AMSOL on me....I cleaned >the battery connections yesterday, and tried jump starting it, with no luck. >The best part of the story is that the car is stuck at work, so I've been >getting a ride to work and back with my wife and I've been trying to work on >it just after work before she gets here.... > >If you have any extra advise, please feel free to respond. Otherwise, I'm >sure you'll at least enjoy 300SD story. It just seemed to me after reading >all of your messages that you are a kind and genuine person, and I wanted to >let you know that I admire those qualities. > >Best Regards, > >Scott >1980 Mercedes 300SD >1987 Acura Legend (wife's car) >1884 VW Vanagon (not running-needs an engine) > >-- >Scott Haaland >Agilent Technologies >Supply Chain Information Systems >email: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com >phone: (916) 788-5233 >fax : (916) 788-5946 - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:16:39 -0700 From: john Subject: Re: Starting Woes - No click or anything there was another symptom I had, where fritz wouldn't start after the glow plug went out. If I left the glow plugs go until I heard the relay click, then he'd start. Shortly after I found the problem, the battery. I replaced the battery and the problem went away. So you may have two problems, starter and battery. john At 08:44 AM 10/26/00 -0600, scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: >I've been trying to get my 300SD (1980) started since Friday. Yesterday, I >found this newsgroup on a web search, and I read through several articles on >starting problems, which gave me some great ideas. I decided that my tack >last night would be to start cleaning all of the ground wires and other >electrical connections. When I got under the car (Yuck! sure is dirty under >here) to check the ground between the transmission and the frame, I found >that the transmission bolt holding the ground wire was missing, and the >ground wire was just dangling from the frame. > >Here are the symptoms I've been seeing: When I go to start the car, the glow >plug indicator light doesn't light up, and I don't get any response when I >turn the key to start. Not even a click. Since Friday, the Battery appears >to have gone completely dead. When I cleaned the battery connections and >tried jumping it (albeit from very small cars relative to the 300SD), I >would get the same reaction. So, I brought the battery home last night (the >car is stuck at work) to charge it, and my plan is to try to start it with a >freshly recharged battery, and limp it home so that I can work on replacing >the transmission ground bolt. > >Will it start without the transmission ground wire attached? I assume that >the bolt has been missing for quite some time, and the lack of ground has >been gradually wearing down the battery, which would mean it would start >without the wire....but I know very little about electricity, so before I >try it, I'd like to get some feedback. This battery is only about 6 months >old, so I'm hoping that I can revitalize it, otherwise, I may need to get >it replaced.... > > >Scott "newbie" Haaland - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:58:27 -0400 From: David Bruckmann Subject: Re: Mercedes 300SD (1980) Starting problems Scott, Based on what you wrote about wiggling the neutral start switch wiring, that seems an obvious culprit. The neutral start switch prohibits the engagement of the starter solenoid in all gear positions except neutral and park. Everything else will function, including pre-glow, but the solenoid will not engage. Have you tried bypassing the ignition switch and activating the starter solenoid directly (after fixing the loose ground!)? The loose ground strap is essential; the starter motor and solenoid ground through that strap, and will either not work, or will find another ground in its absence. That could well be your glowing dash lights, since the brake, brake pad wear, and alternator lights are all connected through the alternator. A ground fault could affect them. Of course the other thing is to give the starter motor a good smack (in case the solenoid is jammed), but given that you have already clearly identified two problems that will prevent the starter from engaging, you'd be best to start by fixing the known problems to isolate the unknown. D. >At 12:07 PM 10/25/00 -0600, scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: >>I've had intermittent problems with it starting, where it gets all ready to >>start, glow plug indicator lights up and goes off when ready, then, in >>anticipation, I turn the key only to be let down with absolutely nothing in >>response. No click, nothing. Sometimes, if I just turn the key back and go >>all the way through a couple of times it will fire up. Other times, I put >>it into neutral, put my foot out the door and push it (or let it coast a few >>inches on a hill), put it back into Park, and then it will fire up after a >>one or two of these rituals. My brother-in-law, whom I bought the car from >>seems to think that the starting problem is related to a sensor on the >>transmission, which tells the ignition system that it is in Park, so let the >>operator start the car. I've even crawled under the car and wiggled the >>electrical wire plug going into the transmission to get it to start. This >>USUALLY does the trick, if the key turning ritual and the >>Park-to-Neutral-to-Park ritual doesn't work. >> >>Now, this wiring wiggling ritual isn't even working! I'm guessing that it's >>some electrical problem, so I'm going to check all the ground wires and >>ignition switch wires as you suggested in one of your articles. The thing >>that worries me the most is that the symptoms are slightly different this >>time. The glow plug light doesn't come on at all, and the blinker lights >>stay lit up for a while (~20 seconds) after I turn off the key and take it >>out. The whole dash lighting sequence seems confused and something seems >>very wrong. I'm hoping that it is a ground wire problem or loose connection >>somewhere. I'm going to try taking the transmission sensor plug completely >>off, and spraying it with WD-40...I don't have an AMSOL on me....I cleaned >>the battery connections yesterday, and tried jump starting it, with no luck. >>The best part of the story is that the car is stuck at work, so I've been >>getting a ride to work and back with my wife and I've been trying to work on >>it just after work before she gets here.... >> >>If you have any extra advise, please feel free to respond. Otherwise, I'm >>sure you'll at least enjoy 300SD story. It just seemed to me after reading >>all of your messages that you are a kind and genuine person, and I wanted to >>let you know that I admire those qualities. >> >>Best Regards, >> >>Scott - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Bruckmann, Toronto, Canada. http://www.bruckmann.com/cars/ Current Reality: 1976 Citroen 2CV6 (140,000 km) "Edith" 1978 Mercedes-Benz 300D (1,200,000 km or thereabouts) "Sieglinde" 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD non-turbo (218,000 km) "Diva" Shady Past: 1971 Citroen DS21 Pallas (137,000km), 1972 Citroen DS21 Pallas (502,000km) 1981 Citroen 2CV6 Charleston (120,000km), 1988 Merkur XR4Ti (209,000km) 1981 Peugeot 505 GRD (350,000km), 1985 Toyota Camry "The Slamry" (330,000km) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:58:33 -0600 From: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Subject: RE: Starting Woes - No click or anything Thanks for the input on the starter...I had a funny experience earlier this year with the starter...it became disconnected, but didn't fall off. It was able to just sit in the frame, even though all the connecting bolts fell out. The bendex started scraping on the flywheel and made a horrible racket. I just put some new bolts in and it fixed the problem--until now. So, I'll get the battery checked--the ground bolt on the transmission being missing has been probably causing it to discharge. Hopefully it's not the starter, but I'll keep an eye on that too. Scott 80 300SD 83 Vanagon (needs engine) 87 Acura Legend - -----Original Message----- From: john [mailto:john-at-virtual-cafe.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:17 PM To: scott_haaland-at-agilent.com Cc: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: Re: Starting Woes - No click or anything there was another symptom I had, where fritz wouldn't start after the glow plug went out. If I left the glow plugs go until I heard the relay click, then he'd start. Shortly after I found the problem, the battery. I replaced the battery and the problem went away. So you may have two problems, starter and battery. john At 08:44 AM 10/26/00 -0600, scott_haaland-at-agilent.com wrote: >I've been trying to get my 300SD (1980) started since Friday. Yesterday, I >found this newsgroup on a web search, and I read through several articles on >starting problems, which gave me some great ideas. I decided that my tack >last night would be to start cleaning all of the ground wires and other >electrical connections. When I got under the car (Yuck! sure is dirty under >here) to check the ground between the transmission and the frame, I found >that the transmission bolt holding the ground wire was missing, and the >ground wire was just dangling from the frame. > >Here are the symptoms I've been seeing: When I go to start the car, the glow >plug indicator light doesn't light up, and I don't get any response when I >turn the key to start. Not even a click. Since Friday, the Battery appears >to have gone completely dead. When I cleaned the battery connections and >tried jumping it (albeit from very small cars relative to the 300SD), I >would get the same reaction. So, I brought the battery home last night (the >car is stuck at work) to charge it, and my plan is to try to start it with a >freshly recharged battery, and limp it home so that I can work on replacing >the transmission ground bolt. > >Will it start without the transmission ground wire attached? I assume that >the bolt has been missing for quite some time, and the lack of ground has >been gradually wearing down the battery, which would mean it would start >without the wire....but I know very little about electricity, so before I >try it, I'd like to get some feedback. This battery is only about 6 months >old, so I'm hoping that I can revitalize it, otherwise, I may need to get >it replaced.... > > >Scott "newbie" Haaland - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:14:21 -0700 From: john Subject: fast idle on a 300SD ok, I'm not sure if I have a problem or not... my 83 300SD has no provisions for setting a fast idle ,no cables, no knobs... But when I start it cold I have to hold the pedal down a little bit for a few seconds to keep it running. Seems to me my american Diesels had a solenoid that activated when you depressed the pedal and gave you a fast idle until warm. Where is this function on my 300SD? Not only that, but it seems like it's idling too low all the time. it'll sit there and kind of wobble back and forth lopping at an idle... :) Since I haven't fixed the tach yet I'm not sure what it's idling at, but does seem low... If I adust the idle up a bit will that also fix the cold start idle issue? :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 8:16 -0500 From: "Joe Oliver" Subject: new to the list Hello, I just joined today for my 1981 300d Turbo. I'm approaching 200,000 miles and was wondering if MB still has those grill emblems for mileage milestones. Does this list have a Digest version where all messages are sent once a day? Joe Oliver 1981 300D turbo 1970 280SE 1990 Audi V8 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:30:48 -0400 From: "S.D.Byers" Subject: more 123 300D Thanks all those who replied. I have learnt something. Now I have just found out that acording to Nitske a 1980 US specs 300D (non-turbo) will have 83 horses verses the 79 of the previous year. Does anybody have any idea how this was done? Camshaft? Injection? In Euro specs models the figures are 80hp before 1979 and 88hp after. What I really want is that 88 hp I suppose. My performance is such that 88 verses 79 would be useful. Currently I can cruise at 63 or so on a flat freeway, and pushing that to 68 or 70 would be great. Thanks, Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:46:12 -0700 From: Alec.Cordova-at-quintus.com Subject: RE: fast idle on a 300SD I don't remember any idle adjuster on my 85 300D, with essentially the same motor as your 300SD. But then again, I never really had a need to find it. Isn't the rocking, loping idle EXACTLY what the injection pump rack damper is for? That and healthy motor (and transmission) mounts. I say go for the rack damper first. Alec -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of john Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:14 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: fast idle on a 300SD ok, I'm not sure if I have a problem or not... my 83 300SD has no provisions for setting a fast idle ,no cables, no knobs... But when I start it cold I have to hold the pedal down a little bit for a few seconds to keep it running. Seems to me my american Diesels had a solenoid that activated when you depressed the pedal and gave you a fast idle until warm. Where is this function on my 300SD? Not only that, but it seems like it's idling too low all the time. it'll sit there and kind of wobble back and forth lopping at an idle... :) Since I haven't fixed the tach yet I'm not sure what it's idling at, but does seem low... If I adust the idle up a bit will that also fix the cold start idle issue? :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ "The truth which makes men free is for the most part the truth which men prefer not to hear." ---Herbert Sebastian Agar Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:00:32 -0600 From: John Bathory Subject: RE: prices 300SD In the paper this morning was a 83 300td one owner family 260k miles asking 8750 cdn in excellent condition or so it says and a 300TDT wagon asking 9750 CDN obo. I didn't see either of them but suspect they would be nice and is in the normal price range. John, Calgary, AB - -----Original Message----- From: chris-at-califormula.com [mailto:chris-at-califormula.com] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 8:47 AM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: prices 300SD John, prices vary a lot here. Try http://www.traderpub.com then try different zip codes for the area you would like to see. Here in San Diego they vary a lot. One like yours would go for from 5000 to 6500. It really depends. You could get 7000 for a doctors garaged car. The last 1986 I had was 1900 dollars. Car was perfect, except... The previous owner was not a professional. So I had to take off the fuzzy steering wheel cover and the zebra seat covers. What this had done is protect the wheel and seats. They were cherry like we say here. The window tint came off without scratching the glass. I took off the air shocks and the after market wheels and whitewalls. Put the correct wheels and tires on. I ordered European headlights and vacuum light switch and I had a great car. I sold it for 5000 when I was done. 3400-3900 is the going rate on 300SDs right now here. But they are not as nice as yours. They do not have any rust at all though. And leather holds up well here. So does rubber and glass doesn't fog. This is the best place for buying perfect cars. They do get dinged up a lot. We have millions of people here and parking lots are very expensive. parking places are very small. I see very few cars without door dings. Only thing I notice here is the vinyl around the door windows and the rear corners on each side of the back glass come loose and need to be fixed. Shifter wood always looks bad. These cars have no cup holders so we dump our sodas all over the wood around the shifter. I think your car is worth what you are asking. But I also think you should keep it and dump the Jeep:) Friends don't let friends drive American cars... Chris in San Diego... Looking for a diesel car before they are illegal here... > >From: john >Subject: prices - 300SD > >No one responded to my query about relisting my 300SD on ebay... > >Anyway, one of the folks that contacted me mentioned that they were >selling in Denver for aroudn $4,500 or thereabouts... > >The problem with any vehicle from that area would be rust... as far as >I know they salt the roads there... it's got to be a problem. That and >the climate on the other side of the Rockies seems to encourage rust... >moreso toward the Mississippi... (seems like I have too many letters in >that one... ;) > >later, >john ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #419 *********************************