From: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net (diesel-benz-digest) To: diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Subject: diesel-benz-digest V1 #425 Reply-To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Sender: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Errors-To: owner-diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Precedence: bulk diesel-benz-digest Saturday, November 4 2000 Volume 01 : Number 425 Forum for Discussion of Diesel Mercedes Benz Automobiles John Meister Digest Coordinator Contents: Re: diesel benz in stone, Re: climate control wonderings... Re: Older Turbo... is it the same? Re: climate control wonderings... RE: climate control wonderings... Re: Mercedes 300TD new pictures... RE: climate control wonderings... RE: climate control wonderings... Glow Plug controller and an oil change Diesel Benz Digest Home Page: http://www.digest.net/diesel-benz/ Send submissions to diesel-benz-digest-at-digest.net Send administrative requests to diesel-benz-digest-request-at-digest.net To unsubscribe, include the word unsubscribe by itself in the body of the message, unless you are sending the request from a different address than the one that appears on the list. Include the word help in a message to stag-digest-request to get a list of other majordomo commands. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 13:03:10 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: diesel benz in stone, :) http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/rigs/Stoned/ On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, S.D.Byers wrote: >--> >--> >-->John, >--> here are some pics of a stone replica of a Mercedes 240D I saw in New >-->Jersey. They might be good for you website so that people on the diesel >-->benz list can view them. >--> >-->Let me know what you think, >--> SDB >--> >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:37:31 EST From: "Steve Morelen" Subject: Re: climate control wonderings... John- It appears that the mono valve can fail either open or closed. The one in my '84 300D failed so that I couldn't turn off the heat. Of course it did this at the warmest time of the year.... Steve Morelen >From: john >To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: climate control wonderings... >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 00:12:58 -0800 > >I'm trying to remember past symptoms on the climate control on my 300D... > >I replaced the mono-valve when it would produce heat all the time? or >when it wouldn't produce heat unless maxed? I can't remember. > >What years did they use the mono-valves? Did they use them in the 300SDs? > >One thing I enjoy on my Jeeps is that when I turn the little lever to a >particular heat setting and I don't like it I can move it one way or the >other and I receive almost instant feedback... Sure wish the designers >of the Benz Climate Control system didn't have so much hysteresis in this >thing. :) I've read the owner's manual and played around with at least >a half of dozen 300D's and 300SD's and they all behave the same way, >slowly... > >I've heard of a manual conversion setup for these. Anyone know if they >have >one for the '83 300SD? If I end up keeping this jewel I'm gonna yard this >climate control out for a good old fashioned manual control setup. And >then >I'm going to take my Jeep out of the carport and drive repeatedly over the >automatic system... (maybe I'll put my pager out there at the same time... >;) > >(just kidding, I'll save it in a box in case the next owner wishes to >subject >themselves to wide fluctuations in temperature under the guise of an >automatic >system. ;) > >the questions were: >- mono valve used in 300SD? >- replace mono valve when temp does what? >- manual conversion of controls for a 300SD? > >thanx, >john >------------------------------------------------------ > http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ > Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... > jesus, don't leave life without him, please! >------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 04:01:12 GMT From: "Mike Mehringer" Subject: Re: Older Turbo... is it the same? The 1979 300SD (W116) has LESS horsepower than the 1983 300SD (W126). >From: Richard Barnaby >To: "Mike Mehringer" >Subject: Re: Older Turbo... is it the same? >Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 06:55:50 -0800 > >Which one has less horsepower? >At 02:38 PM 11/1/00 +0000, you wrote: >>My question is... I own a 1983 300SD (W126 series) which has the 617 >>turbo diesel engine in it.... I also have an engine from (I think) 1979 >>300SD (W116 series)... I know there are some difference in the engine (it >>has less horsepower) but is the turbo the same? > >********************************************************** >*Richard L. Barnaby email: barnaby-at-barnaby.net * >*Business Support Services phone: 702-293-6678 * >*701 Capri Drive #11-C fax: 702-293-6686 * >*Boulder City, NV 89005 pager: 800-864-5591 * >********************************************************** _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:56:20 -0800 From: john Subject: Re: climate control wonderings... At 10:37 PM 11/1/00 -0500, Steve Morelen wrote: >John- >It appears that the mono valve can fail either open or closed. The one in >my '84 300D failed so that I couldn't turn off the heat. Of course it did >this at the warmest time of the year.... sounds like the failure mode for the rear window of a Full Size Jeep. If it's a 2dr, it fails up. If it's a 4dr, it fails down. :) Thankfully the Benz usually have a sunroof, and if it's not pouring you can open it to relieve some of the heat. :) john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 04:07:48 GMT From: "Mike Mehringer" Subject: RE: climate control wonderings... I have a problem with my auto climate control on my '83 300SD - the flaps and everything seem to work -- but no blower fan. I then removed the plug on the blower control unit, and jumped the connections (I consulted the wiring diagrams in my MB workshop manual/CD first). When jumped, every fan speed works... so I figured the blower control unit was bad. I got a new blower control unit and guess what? STILL NO BLOWER ACTIVITY! :( Any ideas? >From: john >To: Michael Frank >CC: diesel-benz-at-digest.net >Subject: RE: climate control wonderings... >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:56:57 -0800 (PST) > >on my '83 300SD (126 series) the sensor is up by the dome light... I >think... >looks like it... I wonder if my temperature variations relate to that >tube... > >Of course every benz I've been in behaved the same way... > >manual controls sure would be nice... if I keep the benz it's going to be >converted. :) > >john > > >On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Michael Frank wrote: > > >-->Joe: > >--> > >--> That was the case on my 123. The sensor is located (of all places) in >the > >-->right speaker, and connects to the rest of the system with a foam >hose, > >-->that turns to mush eventually. The hose is supposed to draw cabin air >over > >-->the sensor. When the hose goes, temperature regulation is erratic. You >get > >-->to it by removing the glove box liner. > >--> > >-->Mike Frank > >-->1979 300CD > >-->New York > >--> > >-->At 01:50 PM 11/1/00 -0600, Italiano, Joseph J wrote: > >-->>Listers > >-->> > >-->>I remember reading somewhere that a common problem with MB climate >control > >-->>systems is that the temp sensor is located in a tube with some type >of foam > >-->>to hold it in place. With age, the foam would somehow limit that air >flow > >-->>to the sensor causing the air temp to vary widely. > >--> > > ---- > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com > don't leave life without Jesus, please... > Snohomish, Washington USA >------------------------------------------------------------------------- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:10:15 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: Re: Mercedes 300TD on the data, I don't know for sure... I used Nitske's book as a guide. I may have made a mistake. I'll send this to the Diesel Benz list to see... I think you'll like the reliability of the Mercedes Diesel, especially if you can get a Turbo. :) Any of the 123 chassis wagons would be wonderful... btw, please email in plain text. :) I'm in a UNIX shell right now. :) I'll be heading down to portland in a week or so, chasing some Jeep parts. :) ttyl, john On Thu, 2 Nov 2000, L Johnson wrote: >-->Dear John: >--> Your chart at http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/mercedes-diesels.html shows a Mercedes 300TD as imported into the US from May '85 to Jan '94. Is this correct? I thought the last of the Turbo-Diesel wagons came into the US in'85. >--> I love Diesels, and I am currently driving a sweet old '86 Isuzu Trooper with a 2.3L Turbo-Diesel. She won't win any races, but she gets a solid 22MPG at 240K miles, and that shape is less than aerodynamic. I am thinking of a replacement for her, as my old Doberman can't quite make the leap in and out of the back like she could five years ago. I have narrowed my choice down to a MBZ Turbo-Diesel wagon, newer is better, although a '94 may be a bit steep. What are your thoughts? >--> Thanks >--> Lamar Johnson >--> Portland OR >--> ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: john Subject: new pictures... I've been playing around with my main page again... http://WAGONEERS.com I added some RTI shots and my Tonka collection. :) Also playing around with a new piece of HTML that is supposed to pop up a window that is sized... it doesn't appear to be working. :) later, john ---- - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- john-at-wagoneers.com **** http://wagoneers.com don't leave life without Jesus, please... Snohomish, Washington USA - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:46:34 -0500 From: "Chris Straut" Subject: RE: climate control wonderings... Woah, right speaker? If that's the case, what happens to those of us who replaced their factory speakers? The entire audio system in my W123 (1985 300D) consists of aftermarket gear, so the front-right speaker has been replaced, but my automatic climate control system still seems to work properly (aside from the fact that my AC compressor is siezed and had to be disconnected..). Chris Straut 1985 300D, 86k WV, USA - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Michael Frank Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 6:05 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: climate control wonderings... Joe: That was the case on my 123. The sensor is located (of all places) in the right speaker, and connects to the rest of the system with a foam hose, that turns to mush eventually. The hose is supposed to draw cabin air over the sensor. When the hose goes, temperature regulation is erratic. You get to it by removing the glove box liner. Mike Frank 1979 300CD New York At 01:50 PM 11/1/00 -0600, Italiano, Joseph J wrote: >Listers > >I remember reading somewhere that a common problem with MB climate control >systems is that the temp sensor is located in a tube with some type of foam >to hold it in place. With age, the foam would somehow limit that air flow >to the sensor causing the air temp to vary widely. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:34:36 -0800 From: Alec.Cordova-at-quintus.com Subject: RE: climate control wonderings... On my 85 W123 300D, the temperature sensor is in the center of the dash, just above the center vents. It's under that little square vent cap looking thing. If the temp sensor were located at the right front speaker on some models, you could pretty easily assume that the sensor was NOT part of the factory speaker. The sensor may simply be located in that same place, since the dash grill for the speaker would provide a way for the interior air to reach the sensor. Since most discussions of the foam hose refer to it as living behind the glove box, the right front speaker would obviously be one convenient place to situate the sensor. Alec -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net] On Behalf Of Chris Straut Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 5:47 AM To: Michael Frank; diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: climate control wonderings... Woah, right speaker? If that's the case, what happens to those of us who replaced their factory speakers? The entire audio system in my W123 (1985 300D) consists of aftermarket gear, so the front-right speaker has been replaced, but my automatic climate control system still seems to work properly (aside from the fact that my AC compressor is siezed and had to be disconnected..). Chris Straut 1985 300D, 86k WV, USA - -----Original Message----- From: owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net [mailto:owner-diesel-benz-at-digest.net]On Behalf Of Michael Frank Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 6:05 PM To: diesel-benz-at-digest.net Subject: RE: climate control wonderings... Joe: That was the case on my 123. The sensor is located (of all places) in the right speaker, and connects to the rest of the system with a foam hose, that turns to mush eventually. The hose is supposed to draw cabin air over the sensor. When the hose goes, temperature regulation is erratic. You get to it by removing the glove box liner. Mike Frank 1979 300CD New York At 01:50 PM 11/1/00 -0600, Italiano, Joseph J wrote: >Listers > >I remember reading somewhere that a common problem with MB climate control >systems is that the temp sensor is located in a tube with some type of foam >to hold it in place. With age, the foam would somehow limit that air flow >to the sensor causing the air temp to vary widely. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 20:42:02 -0800 From: john Subject: Glow Plug controller and an oil change Wow, 8 quarts!!! (actually 7.9). Just changed the oil to Amsoil Marine Grade 15w40 Synthetic Diesel Oil. also took apart the Glow Plug control module... they list for $117... the fusible link is fine... Easy enough to replace thankfully... I took a few pictures: http://www.wagoneers.com/DieselBenz/tech/300sd-Misc-Engine-PIX-1983/ later, john - ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.WAGONEERS.com/ Snohomish, WA - where Jeeps don't rust, they mold... jesus, don't leave life without him, please! - ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of diesel-benz-digest V1 #425 *********************************